I could care less about variable valve timing, but it sure as hell would have been nice to have a high flowing head on our cobalts.

But I've taken care of that now.

Let me better summarize what I posted so people don't take it the wrong way. I'm impressed with Ford for doing what they did. Going back to the 5.0 Ltr but doing it with a whole different design than people thought. Rather than pushrod or mod motor, they took variable cam timing and an extremely high flowing head (smart since they can mimic a big cam and a small cam to make big power yet retain good gas mileage and driveability) and made some impressive numbers. But still, everyone knows what hemis and LSx cars are capable of. And those that choose not to be ignorant know that unless boosted, that ford motor ain't going to get much better than stock.

 

its still better than the 4.6L pushing 265-70ish to the wheels at best

 

i dont remember anything specifically either, but i know we have..lol. You just have well thought out arguments, regardless of what side of the argument you're on.

no one here will likely argue that point

 

amen to that, finally ford has made a mustang that's worth gloating about. I can't wait to see a regular GT at the track running high 12's. That's pretty respectable compared to watching Roush stage 1/2 and saleens barely squeek out a 8sec 1/8th or a 13sec quarter.

 

^ Complete and utterly false statment there dude.....

Must I remind you about the 03-04 Terminator Cobra's? That other then a classic Mustang or the older 5.0's was the only mustang pretty much any GM gearhead would be happy to own.

I do dig this new mustang, should move from the showrooms well. Like others have said it seems like it might be fairly tapped out from the factory powerwise. Who ever compared it to the VQ motors seems to be spot on Watson...

Tyler

PS, then again if you mean gloat by complete car as in the chassis, braking, suspension, interior ect and it finally has a proper engine backing it up then yes you are correct and I would retract my previous statement!

 

Note to self, shop dyno's are fake and any time Inside Line straps a car to a dyno it is only for the purpose of showing tuning improvements. You know, with all that tuning they did in that video they showed huge gains.

 

Reading comp > You

 

The 5.0 will probably make about 325 whp on a real dyno

 

i once saw a custom TT 5.0 make 493 on stock internals. that guy was ****** nuts

 

Reality>you.

 

I'd be willing to bet that 350-365whp on a dynojet is the norm for a 5 speed 2011 GT. Think about it. MT traps 111mph in the GT and it weighs 3500lbs...it takes more than 325whp to achieve that.

As for the 5.0 being tapped for HP from the factory A longtube, air intake, and tune GT will put down over 400whp. Evoloution Performance is getting one soon and i'm sure the numbers will follow.

All I hear is GM fanboys in this thread.

 

highly doubtful on your estimates for the following reasons.
1. you said it would dyno around 350 to 365hp to the wheels.
2. a intake, header and catback w/ tune will not net you 35 whp (giving you the benefit of the doubt that it makes 365, the highest of your guesstimate)
3. it wont make that 35 whp with those mods because with those mods 6.0 ls2's make about that much and they hare much more detuned from the factory and also have an additional liter of displacement.

so there may be some gm fanboys, but just because there are, you cant claim silly numbers and pull that excuse.
oh, and if the 2011 gt only puts down 350whp, no way in hell will it make 50whp w bolt ons. youre the fanboy if you honestly believe that.

 

I was thinking along the lines of the 3v's gains with the same parts. The 5.0 stuff will be better from the factory vs the 3v but to say the car is maxed from the factory is hilarious. I'll stand by the 400whp bolt-on claim but it may take more than I stated.

The 6.0 is much more detuned? How well is the 5.0 tuned? We don't know this yet.








A 3650lb race weight needs alot more than 325whp to achieve 111mph in the 1/4.

 

I do agree with alot of what you said, we don't know to the extent at how far the tune is lacking on the 5.0 yet (if at all) and ditto with the intake/exhaust (though it alread has shorties on it). We aren't saying it is maxed, we are just saying it won't be the stock lower end monster that the LS motors are (or so it looks at the moment). It seems to be similar to the VQ motors where it will pick up some power but throwing cams and port jobs at it won't be hugly beneficial. Where the LS3 for example can net almost 130+ out of a cam and bolt ons and even more with head work, it has the displacement advantage as well.

I bet it will dyno somewhere between 370-385 since they are already showing 390+ Ford won't let that thing roll out down 30+hp to what the magazines were getting, other wise it would be 2001 all over again.

I agree it should see 400+ rwhp with bolt ons, but it will start much closer then 350-360 though.

I was thinking about this actually when I was running last night comparing this car to the stock 03 Cobra in my head. The Cobra could start from 385 and hit 410 with just an intake and cat back then had huge improvements from there, I just think stock for stock they should be close but any bolt on for the Cobra will be more benficial then the GT because alot more was left on the table for it then this new car (again so it seems as no one has gotten their hands on one yet).

Either way I am excited to see what happens what it finally comes out. Stock powers/numbers, modability, durability, ect. Seems like a helluva package from ford!

Tyler

PS, I think the power gains for the GT will be seen in the cat back and intake, I bet the tune is fairly good from the factory as well as the tubular headers (long tubes won't be nearly as beneficial just like on the 03 Cobra).

 

a 5.0L making 400hp means its tuned very well... not rocket science im afraid
Look at any high hp/ltr NA motor and tell me they arent well tuned (this excludes motors that only make high rpm high revving power, IE most honda stuff. We're discussing motors with normal power bands as the torque curve above shows)

 

i agree it takes more than 325 whp for a 3650lb car to run a 111mph trap. i never disputed that. i was only stating that you arent going to pick up 35 whp from bolts ons. we will see though soon enough i guess.
hunterkiller89: i agree with you 100%. a 5.0 liter making 400 crank horsepower HAS to be tuned pretty darn well and must flow really well if its making that much power. ford cant all of a sudden defy the law of physics now. (speaking to the guy claiming it has plent to be picked up with bolt ons)

 

Here ya go bud...

So 5th gear is 1:1 and yet they dyno in 3rd and 4th? WTF? How bout showing them 5th gear numbers?





To tell you the truth, it's actually not hard at all to get a 325whp car to trap 111mph when the gearing allows it. There's more to racing that just making a ton of power. It's really not hard to gain some mph when you are flying through the traps at the very top of 4th gear (111mph). I swear, does NO ONE not see the resemblence to honda in this new mustang? 4v per cylinder, variable yadda yadda, extremely steep gearing, etc.

I like how motor trend opted for the bigger rear end (3.73) instead of the stock rear end gear when they did their "rigged" comparo. One wonders what the mustang would have actually ran with the stock rear gear (3.31).

 

or if the camaro had 3.70's, wonder what it would have run?

 

on camaro5, there's a guy that ran a 12.57@110mph, and a big group that's ran high 12's @ 109-111mph. 3.70's would knock off half a second and pick up 2-3mph. Throw in a 4.10 and you could probably break 11's with that being your only mod. The 4.10's would make 4th gear much more usuable than the 3.70's.

 

I don't believe any dyno from Motor Trend, nor will I believe what a tuning shop makes for power while promoting their products.

Show me JOE SCHMOE Mustang Fanboi on a real dyno.

 

oh, I wholeheartedly 100% agree. I was just posting for reference. They openly admit 5th is 1:1 yet they dyno in 3rd and 4th. WTF?

 

This! And also id love to see a LS3 vs 5.0 comparo instead of the L99 and the slushbox auto in the 2010 camaro.

Obviously however you slice this, it will be a drivers race on the highway and real world. We all know LSx motors scream up top, so i cant wait to see a highway roll. Either way its good for GM, Mopar and Ford owners alike when the battle heats up.

Although for the first time since i can remember, Forced induction may not be the drug of choice to make power from the DOHC. With those CR, nitrous will be your friend

 

low psi will still be the most ideal power maker. i guarantee that motor flows like a ****. think about how the 350Z makes 400whp on 5psi. now apply that to a 5.0l engine Both are 11:1 IIRC

 

Is this ever going to happen?

 

What do you mean?

Come into production?