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Mail order tunes will never be able to compete against a good street/dyno tune. It's just a fact, ive only ever used a can tune to get my old T80/383 LT1 from my friends shop to my friends house to use Tunercat 
Holy hell this forum is slow...
Holy hell this forum is slow...
It is a street or dyno tune. You get the initial tune, and then datalog (On the street or Dyno) Vince recieves the log and RETUNES.
People need to get their facts straight. Also BYT raced a 24 PSI TF tuned car with similar mods and they were dead even. (3 out of 4 times the trifecta car pulled, it depended on who got the jump)
See this thread, they even discuss getting the AFR adjusted.
See said thread. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lnf-performance-tech-153/infiniboost-trifecta-206625/
Now most people who have the TF tune, seem to not get their tune refined, and thats why some poeple run rich, and some people don't make the power as others.
Now back on topic.....
You raced an Auto from a roll with a female driver that doesn't race very often. I can see how you may have run her down.
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Yeah this story is laughable. It wasn't cammed first of all.
Second of all with his "factory freak" and NLS shifting wouldn't make up for his dismal 8.8 at 86 which is what a stock LS2 would run, which is far from what a bolt on/cammed GTO would run (and an LS2 at that!) not to mention we all know GTO's are better once rolling...
I really just don't understand the posting of stories like this? If you knew something was wrong, if the outcome was way out of line, then why post it? Would you post hanging next to a Lamborghini and brag about it to the internet hoping for that once person that believes you?
Shesh...
Tyler
Second of all with his "factory freak" and NLS shifting wouldn't make up for his dismal 8.8 at 86 which is what a stock LS2 would run, which is far from what a bolt on/cammed GTO would run (and an LS2 at that!) not to mention we all know GTO's are better once rolling...
I really just don't understand the posting of stories like this? If you knew something was wrong, if the outcome was way out of line, then why post it? Would you post hanging next to a Lamborghini and brag about it to the internet hoping for that once person that believes you?
Shesh...
Tyler
This has some epic ricer comments in here, and some epic fanboy comments.
If the GTO was cammed/bolt ons, he would have raped you. A STOCK ls2 GTO runs 12.6-13.5, which is what the fastest tune only LNF has run, which is what you are.
Most cammed/bolt on GTOs are deep into the 400whp range, whereas i would guess you're around 290/340
I pulled this from LS1gto.com's 1/4 mile record thread.
LS2 Cam only class (Cam, Headers,Intake + Any other mod from Bolt-ons, Etc) , Last Updated: 03/25/2009
1) A4, Gulfcoastgoat, 11.273@123.05, 1.583 60', MTI G1 cam, Kooks LTs, Fast 90, Yank3600, 3.91's, Weld Draglites
2) A4, housewolf, 11.328 @ 118.46 1.574 60', HPE S-Cam, Vig 3K, ARH LTs, FAST 90, Corsa CB
3) A4, Nearing, 11.436@118.65 1.567 60', HPE C-Cam, Kooks LT's, Fast 90, 3600TC
4) A4, Ls1Jeeper, 11.482 @ 117.06 1.66 60' HPE S2-cam, Vig4400, Ported TB, 1 7/8 Kooks LT's
5) A4, Fraggercrue, 11.495@115.84 1.574 60', F14 cam, Yank 3600, Hardcore Intake, Kooks 1 3/4
6) M6, Rossils2, 11.64 @118.71 1.638 60', Comp 232/234, Pace LTs, Fast 90, SLP LM1
7) M6, ExTurbo, 11.671 @ 119.03 1.719 60', TSP Torquer V3, Fast 90, SLP LT's ,3.91 gear, Spintech CB
8) A4, SSmoked 11.714 @ 117.47 LPE Intake, FAST90, AZPS03 cam, SW Headers no cats
9) A4, barkingspud 11.718 @ 113.42 1.58 60', 231/237, FAST 90, SW LT, 3600 tc, 3.91
10) A4, NYTiger, 11.766 @ 116.46 1.689 60', TTP Punisher cam, Pace LTs, H/Mufflers
11) M6, Flash99, 11.807 @ 117.44 1.65 60' Cam, Pace LT's, Fast 90, 3.91's
12) A4, Stimeybob, 11.88@113.87 1.693 60', HPE S Cam, Fast 90,UDP, Pace V2's, Magna CB, 3200 TC
13) M6, NORICE4ME, 11.915@116.73 1.820 60', Comp XER287,Fast90,K&N,Kooks LT's,Borla CB,ASP U/D
14) A4, Stimeybob, 11.918@ 113.39 1.737 60, HPE S, Pace LT's, Fast 90, Ported TB, UDP, 3200 TC,CAI
15) M6, Woffman5 11.99 @ 117 1.756 60', FTI Streetsweeper II, Kooks LTs
16) M6, BillyBob750, 11.998@117.50 1.727 60', VRX5, Ram Clutch, Pacesetter LT, Spintech CB
17) A4, Unknown, 12.005 @ 114.750 1.83 60', MPH ASPS02 cam, Fast 90, 3600 stall, SW LT
18) M6, ZOOMballs, 12.010@114.24 1.681 60', FTI 228/236 cam,fast90,volant,LT,h-pipe, 3.91's
19) A4, profarm-goat, 12.017 @ 111.70 1.65 60', HPE S - Cam,3600TC, CAI, SW LT's, COrsa CB
20) M6, speedracer33 12.024 @116.85 1.789 60' TSP V2, pace LTs, UD, FAST 90, CAI, Tune
21) A4, JS1965, 12.080@112.59 1.71 60', 224-581 Cam,VIG3200,Pulley,Fast92,K&N Cai,LT's,Magnaflow Cb/Dr's
22) M6, BlueGoat06, 12.15 @ 114.09 1.85 60', TSP 228R Cam, SW LT's, Magna M/X, LPE CAI, Tune
23) M6, ToddO, 12.17 @ 113.95 1.769 60', FTI StreetSweeper HT, FAST 90, Kooks LT's, 3.91's
24) A4, GTO1369 12.176@110.15 1.59 60', K&N CAI, comp 224/228, dynatech LT,3400
25) A4, Rich, 12.170 @ 112.37 1.66 60', SLP LT's, 224/227 114 LSA, 3200 Vig
26) A4, JoeyD, 12.24 @ 110.13 1.698 60', FTI Cam, Fuddle Stall, DT LTs w/cats, cutout
27) A4, Smittys05GTO 12.38@109.5 AZPS01 cam, 3600 stall, FAST, Headers, MT DRs
28) M6, LS2bluegoat 12.409@113.4 1.879 60' HPE-S cam, kooks, LS7 clutch
29) A4, Ihaterice, 12.41@110mph 1.81 60' Hpe C cam,3400 stall, Lpe intake, Pacesetter headers
30) M6, KrautBurner 12.732@109.21 1.835 60' Cam, Kooks LT's,catted,Borla CB,K&N filter,MT DR
1) A4, Gulfcoastgoat, 11.273@123.05, 1.583 60', MTI G1 cam, Kooks LTs, Fast 90, Yank3600, 3.91's, Weld Draglites
2) A4, housewolf, 11.328 @ 118.46 1.574 60', HPE S-Cam, Vig 3K, ARH LTs, FAST 90, Corsa CB
3) A4, Nearing, 11.436@118.65 1.567 60', HPE C-Cam, Kooks LT's, Fast 90, 3600TC
4) A4, Ls1Jeeper, 11.482 @ 117.06 1.66 60' HPE S2-cam, Vig4400, Ported TB, 1 7/8 Kooks LT's
5) A4, Fraggercrue, 11.495@115.84 1.574 60', F14 cam, Yank 3600, Hardcore Intake, Kooks 1 3/4
6) M6, Rossils2, 11.64 @118.71 1.638 60', Comp 232/234, Pace LTs, Fast 90, SLP LM1
7) M6, ExTurbo, 11.671 @ 119.03 1.719 60', TSP Torquer V3, Fast 90, SLP LT's ,3.91 gear, Spintech CB
8) A4, SSmoked 11.714 @ 117.47 LPE Intake, FAST90, AZPS03 cam, SW Headers no cats
9) A4, barkingspud 11.718 @ 113.42 1.58 60', 231/237, FAST 90, SW LT, 3600 tc, 3.91
10) A4, NYTiger, 11.766 @ 116.46 1.689 60', TTP Punisher cam, Pace LTs, H/Mufflers
11) M6, Flash99, 11.807 @ 117.44 1.65 60' Cam, Pace LT's, Fast 90, 3.91's
12) A4, Stimeybob, 11.88@113.87 1.693 60', HPE S Cam, Fast 90,UDP, Pace V2's, Magna CB, 3200 TC
13) M6, NORICE4ME, 11.915@116.73 1.820 60', Comp XER287,Fast90,K&N,Kooks LT's,Borla CB,ASP U/D
14) A4, Stimeybob, 11.918@ 113.39 1.737 60, HPE S, Pace LT's, Fast 90, Ported TB, UDP, 3200 TC,CAI
15) M6, Woffman5 11.99 @ 117 1.756 60', FTI Streetsweeper II, Kooks LTs
16) M6, BillyBob750, 11.998@117.50 1.727 60', VRX5, Ram Clutch, Pacesetter LT, Spintech CB
17) A4, Unknown, 12.005 @ 114.750 1.83 60', MPH ASPS02 cam, Fast 90, 3600 stall, SW LT
18) M6, ZOOMballs, 12.010@114.24 1.681 60', FTI 228/236 cam,fast90,volant,LT,h-pipe, 3.91's
19) A4, profarm-goat, 12.017 @ 111.70 1.65 60', HPE S - Cam,3600TC, CAI, SW LT's, COrsa CB
20) M6, speedracer33 12.024 @116.85 1.789 60' TSP V2, pace LTs, UD, FAST 90, CAI, Tune
21) A4, JS1965, 12.080@112.59 1.71 60', 224-581 Cam,VIG3200,Pulley,Fast92,K&N Cai,LT's,Magnaflow Cb/Dr's
22) M6, BlueGoat06, 12.15 @ 114.09 1.85 60', TSP 228R Cam, SW LT's, Magna M/X, LPE CAI, Tune
23) M6, ToddO, 12.17 @ 113.95 1.769 60', FTI StreetSweeper HT, FAST 90, Kooks LT's, 3.91's
24) A4, GTO1369 12.176@110.15 1.59 60', K&N CAI, comp 224/228, dynatech LT,3400
25) A4, Rich, 12.170 @ 112.37 1.66 60', SLP LT's, 224/227 114 LSA, 3200 Vig
26) A4, JoeyD, 12.24 @ 110.13 1.698 60', FTI Cam, Fuddle Stall, DT LTs w/cats, cutout
27) A4, Smittys05GTO 12.38@109.5 AZPS01 cam, 3600 stall, FAST, Headers, MT DRs
28) M6, LS2bluegoat 12.409@113.4 1.879 60' HPE-S cam, kooks, LS7 clutch
29) A4, Ihaterice, 12.41@110mph 1.81 60' Hpe C cam,3400 stall, Lpe intake, Pacesetter headers
30) M6, KrautBurner 12.732@109.21 1.835 60' Cam, Kooks LT's,catted,Borla CB,K&N filter,MT DR
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How is 12.8 AFR rich? All you have to do is ask for what AFR you want.
It is a street or dyno tune. You get the initial tune, and then datalog (On the street or Dyno) Vince recieves the log and RETUNES.
People need to get their facts straight. Also BYT raced a 24 PSI TF tuned car with similar mods and they were dead even. (3 out of 4 times the trifecta car pulled, it depended on who got the jump)
See this thread, they even discuss getting the AFR adjusted.
See said thread. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=206625
Now most people who have the TF tune, seem to not get their tune refined, and thats why some poeple run rich, and some people don't make the power as others.
Now back on topic.....
You raced an Auto from a roll with a female driver that doesn't race very often. I can see how you may have run her down.
It is a street or dyno tune. You get the initial tune, and then datalog (On the street or Dyno) Vince recieves the log and RETUNES.
People need to get their facts straight. Also BYT raced a 24 PSI TF tuned car with similar mods and they were dead even. (3 out of 4 times the trifecta car pulled, it depended on who got the jump)
See this thread, they even discuss getting the AFR adjusted.
See said thread. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=206625
Now most people who have the TF tune, seem to not get their tune refined, and thats why some poeple run rich, and some people don't make the power as others.
Now back on topic.....
You raced an Auto from a roll with a female driver that doesn't race very often. I can see how you may have run her down.
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she was driving an auto....hard for a driver to ess that one up..
vince does not sell his tune on his HHR to people. Pretty much every tuner in existence will not do this, because they need to make a more reliable tune that can be daily driven 365 a year to their customers so they dont blow up their cars...
This has some epic ricer comments in here, and some epic fanboy comments.
If the GTO was cammed/bolt ons, he would have raped you. A STOCK ls2 GTO runs 12.6-13.5, which is what the fastest tune only LNF has run, which is what you are.
Most cammed/bolt on GTOs are deep into the 400whp range, whereas i would guess you're around 290/340
I pulled this from LS1gto.com's 1/4 mile record thread.
vince does not sell his tune on his HHR to people. Pretty much every tuner in existence will not do this, because they need to make a more reliable tune that can be daily driven 365 a year to their customers so they dont blow up their cars...
This has some epic ricer comments in here, and some epic fanboy comments.
If the GTO was cammed/bolt ons, he would have raped you. A STOCK ls2 GTO runs 12.6-13.5, which is what the fastest tune only LNF has run, which is what you are.
Most cammed/bolt on GTOs are deep into the 400whp range, whereas i would guess you're around 290/340
I pulled this from LS1gto.com's 1/4 mile record thread.
well 1/4mile dont matter on the highway, and like i said u cant compare those gtos to this one he prob didnt have the best tune for it and didnt have very much bolt-ons. and the those 2 GTOs at the end only trapped at 109-110 which is where i would trap very close too wouldnt be no 12.7 tho
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and if you're trapping 110, you don't have 330whp. / thread
I have trapped 113-115 and I make less than 330. I guarantee you that my tune would munch on you.
It's ashame you live so far away.
You need to knowledge yourself a little better.
These threads are why CSS is what it is today; a hunking pile of ****!
I have trapped 113-115 and I make less than 330. I guarantee you that my tune would munch on you.
It's ashame you live so far away.
You need to knowledge yourself a little better.
These threads are why CSS is what it is today; a hunking pile of ****!
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and if you're trapping 110, you don't have 330whp. / thread
I have trapped 113-115 and I make less than 330. I guarantee you that my tune would munch on you.
It's ashame you live so far away.
You need to knowledge yourself a little better.
These threads are why CSS is what it is today; a hunking pile of ****!
I have trapped 113-115 and I make less than 330. I guarantee you that my tune would munch on you.
It's ashame you live so far away.
You need to knowledge yourself a little better.
These threads are why CSS is what it is today; a hunking pile of ****!
Yeah this story is laughable. It wasn't cammed first of all.
Second of all with his "factory freak" and NLS shifting wouldn't make up for his dismal 8.8 at 86 which is what a stock LS2 would run, which is far from what a bolt on/cammed GTO would run (and an LS2 at that!) not to mention we all know GTO's are better once rolling...
I really just don't understand the posting of stories like this? If you knew something was wrong, if the outcome was way out of line, then why post it? Would you post hanging next to a Lamborghini and brag about it to the internet hoping for that once person that believes you?
Shesh...
Tyler
Second of all with his "factory freak" and NLS shifting wouldn't make up for his dismal 8.8 at 86 which is what a stock LS2 would run, which is far from what a bolt on/cammed GTO would run (and an LS2 at that!) not to mention we all know GTO's are better once rolling...
I really just don't understand the posting of stories like this? If you knew something was wrong, if the outcome was way out of line, then why post it? Would you post hanging next to a Lamborghini and brag about it to the internet hoping for that once person that believes you?
Shesh...
Tyler
Last edited by NastySS; Mar 15, 2010 at 02:08 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
pretty sure it was and no gtos do not trap 86 stock or with bolt-ons sometimes. its the truth dont really care what a bunch of cobalt owners have to say too much cuz yall hate on other people with the same car. and btw the old gallardos are slow so never know could actually stick one on the highway.
1/4 ET: 13.470
1/4 MPH: 106.130
1/8 ET: 8.850
1/8 MPH: 86.010
60': 2.300
Model: Pontiac GTO 6-speed
Year: 2006
Driver: Mr. J
1/4 MPH: 106.130
1/8 ET: 8.850
1/8 MPH: 86.010
60': 2.300
Model: Pontiac GTO 6-speed
Year: 2006
Driver: Mr. J
additionally...:
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachm...1&d=1262515254
Note that this is ranked 169-210, so there are 168 GTOs that have ran faster in the 1/8 mile, however mods are not listed, so i cant promise these are cam only GTOs
and to summarize: your car is not as fast as you think it is. Vince does great work, but even still, he's limited by the stock turbo and the fact he must create a safe DD tune
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why? you're comparing your cobalt to others? seems reasonable
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Thanks for showing the world how fkn awsome our econoboxes are.
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Me?
"Try to have a sense of humor"?
You're talking to a guy who has a do with a set of fake teeth saying DO IT ****** as my avatar and I need a sense of humor?
.....
Go look back at my posts in this thread fucktard, wipe the tears away from your eyes, fill out one of these and get in line. It's a long one
...Lighten the hell up.
I say how funny this thread is, and say how a female driver means nothing, then inform you that you're not the **** like you think you are, and I am being butthurt?
I know there's some stupid people out there but damn...
"Try to have a sense of humor"?
You're talking to a guy who has a do with a set of fake teeth saying DO IT ****** as my avatar and I need a sense of humor?
.....
Go look back at my posts in this thread fucktard, wipe the tears away from your eyes, fill out one of these and get in line. It's a long one
...Lighten the hell up.
I say how funny this thread is, and say how a female driver means nothing, then inform you that you're not the **** like you think you are, and I am being butthurt?
I know there's some stupid people out there but damn...
And what the hell is a Do???^^^
As for these people arguing, I have two Cobalts and I want to intenet race tooo and kick everyone's asses.
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Haha, yeah you are against the norm. Just remember, for every one you have fun with there are a 100 that can easily return the favor... 
Ok, so you saw one driver do that and no one can? A bolt on GTO runs that is a **** poor driver... My one trip to the 1/8th I went 8.7 and 8.9 at just under 86 both times (one spinning and one bogging bone stock in June in Texas). 86 trap works out to an average 106 trap in the 1/4, easily attainable in a stock GTO. Hell I bet a few of the top stock 04 M6's could hit that number with a beast behind the wheel.
Stop labling every car, you are just digging your self a hole, need a shovel? You have the best tune/numbers, the hottest factory freak, the best driver mode, and the fastest NLS, did that sum it up? Come back with some real evidence next time.
Tyler
Stop labling every car, you are just digging your self a hole, need a shovel? You have the best tune/numbers, the hottest factory freak, the best driver mode, and the fastest NLS, did that sum it up? Come back with some real evidence next time.
Tyler
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I cant understand why either, you need a container to hold the bag up and i personally like the ability to close a lid on the milk while its in the jug. I do enjoy my trips up to Canada though every Christmas, although i try to stay away from the dirty french canadians while in Ottawa or Montreal.