blackss2.0

On the way back to school after thanksgiving weekend I was driving on route 13 in maryland when I came up behind a old bubble civic with a exhaust on the back. I casually passed him because I didnt even look at it as a race. What a mistake. He started weaving to catch up to me so I slowed down and moved over. He pulled up next to me and dropped a couple gears while crusing next to me. I slowed down and put it into second going about 45 and gave three honks and we were off. He hung about a half a bumper back until he shifted into third where it seemed he started creeping up but he had to stop because of the car in his lane. We raced a second time with almost the same results. I feel like he would have passed me if the race had continued. One thing i should probably mention though is i had two people in my car (one of the two weighing 250) and a shitload of luggage in the trunk and backseat. I probably had an extra 5-6 hundred pounds in the car. The driver of the civic was cool though surprisingly. He pulled up and was like damn that thing pulls and i was like yeah so does your civic. he said he has a k22 swap even though there is no such engine. My friend may have heard him wrong or the guy may have meant k22a which is a bored and stroked k20. 240 hp@ 8000 rpms's. Interesting race i must say. I never expected it or for his car to be that fast.

K22A: (bored and stroked K20A) 240 HP @ 8000 rpm; 165-170 lb-ft @ 6000 rpm (90% and above available from 3000 rpm). Redline: 8500 rpm. ...

Fast Black SS

Yeah those k series hatches are quick

BLAZIN07SS

iTrader: (7)

the k20a2 is the factory engine in the acura rsx type s. its not bored or stroked. 200-210hp depending on model year

blackss2.0

i mean k22a which is a bored and stroked k20. The driver definitely said 22 somewhere so thats what it must have been.
K22A: (bored and stroked K20A) 240 HP @ 8000 rpm; 165-170 lb-ft @ 6000 rpm (90% and above available from 3000 rpm). Redline: 8500 rpm.

BLAZIN07SS

iTrader: (7)

there is only one thing i can think of which might be a "k22" which is a rare mugen engine not even available in the states. its a k20 w/ an s2000 crank. more than likely he had a regular k20a2 from an rsx type s. they can hit 11's easy all motor

Ricer

could he have said h22a?

SuperchargedSS

/\ Thats more like it. The prelude engine... suprised he pulled you if that was the case. And why do you street race with people and luggage in the car ? weak

slowswap

Probably a bolt on H22A which is pretty slow. lol

06SS ALL DAY

i think your boy mis-heard the dood. most likely it was a K24 swap. which is 200x more easier, cheaper and quicker than a bored and stroked k20a. especially with bolt ons and hondata or kpro. pffft it would rape a k20a

beefy Si

That's what I'm thinking.

Why would you be surprised? An H22A 92-95 hatchback should have a good advantage especially if he has a crapload of weight in the Cobalt.

In a hatch? How so? They have been known to hit 13's flat with the motor being completly stock. That's pretty quick for just the swap and nothing else. Heck my H22A has taken down a modded and tuned SS/TC. They aren't slow really, if you are comparing them to Cobalts.

NotME

Yea h22's are not a joke, that's what he probably meant. I mess around with an eg coupe h22 and he was right there the whole time. Much respect especially when it's not riced out but a clean look

blackss2.0

My friend swears he heard k22 but who knows. could have been h22, k22a or k24. And some people seem to be getting sensitive about the street racing with friends and luggage thing so i'll make It clear that it was a 45 to like 90 roll. barely went above normal highway cruising speeds. And the guy told me he killed a stock ss supercharged the other week and wondered what I had done to mine to make it "pull so hard".

SuperchargedSS

I have plenty of racing experience against that engine from back in my SS/SC days as my buddy had the same swap and we would go at it all the time for fun. My experience is every h22a swapped hatch runs differently. In this case his wasnt fast enough to break high 13's.

I am sure an H22a can be built to be fast, as with any engine, I just havent run into one that has been done right. Im not getting on a soapbox here but it seems that most swaps are on a weak budget and not done right. Once the engine goes in, the finances needed to get it done right arent there and corners start being cut.... thats my experience up here anyway.

ßlĺçk§mókč

My friend has a h22a lude and we ran a few times both highway and at the track... i win by half a car
Not bad for all motor

2009Cobalt

I had a buddy with an eg hatch with an h22. he had intake, header, and full 2.5 inch exhaust and he ran a 13.1 but thats with slicks and a completley gutted car.(just dash and driver seat left in the car).

04goat

my son has just gotten through swapping in a b16a, this is the japan motor and tranny. he put it in a 90 civic dx base model which is 200lbs lighter than the civic dx. now u guy's just mentioned that most swaps the people just put in the engine and never do nothing else. well there isn't nothing else to do as in the honda's the engines will work in other cars..

it is not hard to do a swap and when you are done it will look just like before but have a dual overhead cam engine in it. my son also did a swap in a civic hatch gutted to hell and put in a single cam engine. he did the garrett turbo with 2 1/2" pipeing and exhaust. when it was done me and my son did the home tune and took it to the dyno. it pulled out a whopping 256 fwhp. we did put in bigger injectors but the rest was stock. he never got to run it on the track but i can tell you it would smoke the tires in 4 of the 5 gears and just about break them loose in 5th. now i weigh nearly 300 pds and my son weighs over 300 pds. i would have to say with slicks there would be no telling how fast it would go in the qtr.

I no of a guy in okc who has one of the fastest b model engines in a civic. he brought it down to ardmore ok last year for the okla and tx shoot out. he ran a 8.2 sec in the qtr. and he dynoed a little over 1200 fwhp. sorry to hyjack the thread but it all comes down to if you have enough money anything can be made fast.... and today's four cyl engines can run with any v8 or even faster with minimal effert. i have never been out run from a dig or from a roll in my gto. but i no i have not met the right person with the right car. most of the people i have raced are the ones that have the cobalt sstc and it is stock. but if it is your 1st car then it is going to be fast in there eyes. in all reality it isn't against some of the v8's. and if my gto was still stock i will be the first to say it would get eaten alive by the sstc. props for gm makeing that car as good as it is and going to be in the future. if i didn't own my gto i would definately own a sstc...

Hotpants08

when i first started driving around 4 years ago i had no respect for hondas at all. that quickly changed when i started learning more about cars. some of my friends had hondas with swaps and thats what got me into 4 cylinders. i probably would have never bought my balt 2 years ago if it wasnt for hondas. ive race a h22 eg coupe and put about 3-4 cars on it. not bad motors at all, but i'd much rather have a b or k series

beefy Si

K-series are overrated I think. Their transmissions suck a long dong. The best swap to do IMO is the H2B. Sooo cheap and JUST as good if not better than a K20. With the money you spend on a K-swap you can put into the H22 and B trans and have better numbers = go faster That's why I went with it.

BLAZIN07SS

iTrader: (7)

the tranny's do suck an incredible amount. the k's make some sick power though. a local made 1003whp and its able to drive around on the street. of course he has a dog box as well

DebadgedBALT77

If kk-swaps werent so expensive theyd be the way to go. those engines are some of the best 4 cylinders out there.

and to the guy who said he wouldnt want an H22. and H2b in a hatch is going to be a low 13 second car. seen it plenty of times. more then enough to keep up with mot of the cobalts out there.

beefy Si

H2Bs with a few things are going to see 12's pretty easily.

Hotpants08

h2b swaps are pretty dirty and do put down impressive numbers for how much you spend. which tranny do u have? i'm not bashing them, but i've just never really liked h series motors. ive always liked b series motors. ive mostly worked on b16a2, gsr, ls/vtec, etc. swaps in friends cars. i agree that the 5 speed transmissions that some k20's are matched with are garbage, but i like the 6 speed transmission in my friends rsx-s alot.

DebadgedBALT77

ive got to admit, as daunting as it is, a j series will be my next build for my EK.

beefy Si

I have the B16B transmission.

04goat

my son has alot of b series trannys and engines... he also has two single cam honda engines that they only made 200 of them. both from japan. he works at a honda dealership as a technician and has the oertunity to get all kinds of engines...