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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Haha... looks like somebody else here is a No0b. Nitrous is not f/i.
Really since when, it seems like you are completely knowledgeable about this subject... There will be many people that will disagree with your idiotic statement above.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:28 PM
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Really since when, it seems like you are completely knowledgeable about this subject... There will be many people that will disagree with your idiotic statement above.
Ok... let's see....

F/I = Forced Induction. Forced Induction is quite simple... the explanation is in the name. Air is forced into the engine at a higher pressure than the standard atmospheric pressure. Superchargers and turbochargers are mechanisms that implement forced induction. They pressurize the air before it is sucked into the cylinders.

Nitrous, NOS = Nitrous Oxide, a gas (in normal state, although it's commonly stored in a pressurized environment which leads to it being stored in a liquid form). Nitrous is an oxidizing agent that's sprayed into the intake system of car because of its effects during combustion. Being an oxidizing agent, N2O releases Oxygen molecules giving you a higher saturation of oxygen in the chamber. More oxygen (and more fuel... which is added in different ways depending on the nitrous system type, ie. dry, wet, wet direct port) ultimately means more power from each stroke.

So while both methods (f/i and nitrous) are power adders, nitrous is not a type of forced induction. Forced induction simply refers to pressurizing normal air before entering the cylinders while nitrous is a system that introduces a new agent to the combustion equation.

I win.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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You guys better be carefull, or you'll end up like us GTP guys. No one races us anymore because everyone knows what it has, and how well we take to mods. You're all going to end up in the same boat soon LOL
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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LOL, Dan's the man. You're absolutely right dude. It's self explanatory if you think about it as "aspiration" of the motor.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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A lot of people group nitrous as part of the forced induction group because it does put much more o2 into the engine than normal, and if anything, it's definitely *not* natural...I mean, this place says it is, and this place doesn't mention it at all.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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A lot of people group nitrous as part of the forced induction group because it does put much more o2 into the engine than normal, and if anything, it's definitely *not* natural...I mean, this place says it is, and this place doesn't mention it at all.
You get more oxygen into the engine... but that's because of the higher saturation of oxygen in the "air" mixture that's in the cylinder... not because of pressure. "Forced" induction refers to pressure. With a nitrous system you're not forcing any pressure into the cylinders.

That first site is wrong.

And how dare you question wikipedia!!
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
A lot of people group nitrous as part of the forced induction group because it does put much more o2 into the engine than normal, and if anything, it's definitely *not* natural...I mean, this place says it is, and this place doesn't mention it at all.
Forced induction means the pressure (hence the term FORCED) of the air going into the motor through the intake manifold, not the amount of air going in.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PpAzZ1101
Ok... let's see....

F/I = Forced Induction. Forced Induction is quite simple... the explanation is in the name. Air is forced into the engine at a higher pressure than the standard atmospheric pressure. Superchargers and turbochargers are mechanisms that implement forced induction. They pressurize the air before it is sucked into the cylinders.

Nitrous, NOS = Nitrous Oxide, a gas (in normal state, although it's commonly stored in a pressurized environment which leads to it being stored in a liquid form). Nitrous is an oxidizing agent that's sprayed into the intake system of car because of its effects during combustion. Being an oxidizing agent, N2O releases Oxygen molecules giving you a higher saturation of oxygen in the chamber. More oxygen (and more fuel... which is added in different ways depending on the nitrous system type, ie. dry, wet, wet direct port) ultimately means more power from each stroke.

So while both methods (f/i and nitrous) are power adders, nitrous is not a type of forced induction. Forced induction simply refers to pressurizing normal air before entering the cylinders while nitrous is a system that introduces a new agent to the combustion equation.

I win.
No you lose, you contradict yourself in you own copy and paste. Nitrous does basically the some thing as other types of F/I. As someone else said most normal people will group Nitrous with other types of F/I.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 03:50 PM
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WTF is up with all you nutswingers now a days? In slow cars at that.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PpAzZ1101
You get more oxygen into the engine... but that's because of the higher saturation of oxygen in the "air" mixture that's in the cylinder... not because of pressure. "Forced" induction refers to pressure. With a nitrous system you're not forcing any pressure into the cylinders.

That first site is wrong.

And how dare you question wikipedia!!

I'm not questioning anything, I'm merely pointing out *why* some people argue that nitrous is a form of forced induction. As to the technicalities of whether or not it is, the end result doesn't make a difference of what it is or what it does.

(i.e. the arguement is a waste of time, when we could all be talking about better things)
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Self
No you lose, you contradict yourself in you own copy and paste. Nitrous does basically the some thing as other types of F/I. As someone else said most normal people will group Nitrous with other types of F/I.
Failing to see contradiction...

F/I = pressurized air FORCED into the engine

N2O = increased amount of oxygen present, but NOT pressurized, simply in greater quantity but air is still aspirated normally into the engine...
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
Failing to see contradiction...

F/I = pressurized air FORCED into the engine

N2O = increased amount of oxygen present, but NOT pressurized, simply in greater quantity but air is still aspirated normally into the engine...

Some people... Just forget it, nitrous is F/I bottom line.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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No you lose, you contradict yourself in you own copy and paste. Nitrous does basically the some thing as other types of F/I. As someone else said most normal people will group Nitrous with other types of F/I.
I was hoping that this argument would settle this for me, cuz I was on the fence whether or not N2O is forced induction. But he's backing up his opinion with FACT. That's how debate works. You're just throwing things into the air and not telling us why we should believe it. So until you figure out how to argue, you lose.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Self
WTF is up with all you nutswingers now a days? In slow cars at that.
Oh, and I hate to burst your bubble, but your Neon isn't a whole lot faster.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Self
Some people... Just forget it, nitrous is F/I bottom line.
LOL, OK, I guess it is because you say so

It's not, and by definition it never can be forced induction, but if telling yourself that it is makes you sleep at night, go for it.

BTW you still didn't point out exactly what the contradiction was...probably because there wasn't one, but that's ok. Reading skills aren't all that important anyway.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:21 PM
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How about we just reclassify Nitrous as SPRAY induction....sounds good to me.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Self
WTF is up with all you nutswingers now a days? In slow cars at that.

Why in gods name are you on this forum if you don't even own a Cobalt?
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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Why in gods name are you on this forum if you don't even own a Cobalt?
That doesn't matter if you're not wasting people's time and contribute.
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 04:53 PM
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WTF is up with all you nutswingers now a days? In slow cars at that.
Like i said....OWNED
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Old Jul 14, 2006 | 10:53 PM
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No you lose, you contradict yourself in you own copy and paste. Nitrous does basically the some thing as other types of F/I. As someone else said most normal people will group Nitrous with other types of F/I.
1) I wrote it all word for word... not a copy and paste. If it is a copy and paste... please show me where you saw MY WORDS printed elsewhere.

2) There was no contradiction. You are an idiot and cannot comprehend the explanation I gave you. Forced induction is PRESSURIZING the air that is entering the cylinders. That is... 12psi, 15psi, 20psi... etc. That's what your boost gauge tells you. Nitrous systems simply feed air that is more oxygen-rich because of the N2O releasing oxygen molecules. Nitrous is not pressurized when it enters your cylinders. It's simply sprayed into the air that is already flowing in at normal atmospheric pressure. A nitrous system provides air that is over 50% pure oxygen. Normal air is usually around 20% oxygen or so.

So to explain in idiot's terms for you:

Forced induction might give you twice as much air in the cylinder with 20% oxygen.
Nitrous system might give you normal amount of air in the cylinder with 50% oxygen.

Does it get any clearer than that??? This is like trying to teach a monkey.
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:51 AM
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Like i said....OWNED
And your still slow.
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:52 AM
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Why in gods name are you on this forum if you don't even own a Cobalt?
You just worry about your to do list.
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Old Jul 15, 2006 | 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PpAzZ1101
1) I wrote it all word for word... not a copy and paste. If it is a copy and paste... please show me where you saw MY WORDS printed elsewhere.

2) There was no contradiction. You are an idiot and cannot comprehend the explanation I gave you. Forced induction is PRESSURIZING the air that is entering the cylinders. That is... 12psi, 15psi, 20psi... etc. That's what your boost gauge tells you. Nitrous systems simply feed air that is more oxygen-rich because of the N2O releasing oxygen molecules. Nitrous is not pressurized when it enters your cylinders. It's simply sprayed into the air that is already flowing in at normal atmospheric pressure. A nitrous system provides air that is over 50% pure oxygen. Normal air is usually around 20% oxygen or so.

So to explain in idiot's terms for you:

Forced induction might give you twice as much air in the cylinder with 20% oxygen.
Nitrous system might give you normal amount of air in the cylinder with 50% oxygen.

Does it get any clearer than that??? This is like trying to teach a monkey.
Ok here is the bottom line, when using any type of F/I whether it be nitrous, turbocharging or god forbid supercharging, you are essentially forcing more oxygen to burn in the combustion chamber, enabling a small displacement engine to have the same power output as a larger displacement engine. You following me monkey boy? Nutswingers unite.
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