I understand you arguement Self, but I still don't consider it F/I. Like mentioned by others, the engine sucks in the nitrous just like regular air.

Would it be considered F/I if you go to a lower elevation, reduce the humidity, or decrease the intake temp? That is what you are implying with your nitrous arguement.

 

... Nitrous is not forced incution ... wtf? You are "spraying" Nitrogen Oxide, Hence the term "spray" into the intake... Forced Induction = Supercharger\Turbo... Its constantly forcing air into the Intake not just when u press or flip ur NOS switch...

 

Of course it is a neon owner that can't admit that they're wrong...

Got to love trolls!

 

From what I've always understood, F/I is something that is part of the engine. (I.E. mechanical component) and in use at all time wether or not it's under load determines how much increase it provides. N2O is a chemical (aka, NON-mechanical) and is only used at periods in short bursts. According to Self's approach: in esence, an octane booster like STP put in the fuel tank could be classified as F/I becuase it increases performance (not by much at all, but same principal) Nitrous is not a permanent part of the engine because it is not always present. Turbo/super chargers are present in the performance of the engine at all times.

F/I = mechanical component
N2O = Chemical

 

Let's not forget the the effect of the temperature of nitrous on an engine when released.

 

Its idiots like this that make a good argument suck. Congrats on all your slow cars.

 

F/I is forcing more air into the chamber... more oxygen is simply a side effect of more air being in the chamber. Nitrous doesn't force anything into the chamber. The normal intake functions at normal pressure and simply brings in a mixture that is (ultimately, after a chemical change) richer in oxygen.

But honestly.... did I really expect someone who made the "smart" decision to buy a neon to actually be smart enough to follow this simple argument? Nahhh.

 

Its idiots like you that can't realize the argument is over and admit they're wrong. Not to mention not mature enough let it go and thank someone for explaining it quite clearly.

I take it that you haven't noticed that most of the people on this site either make the proper mods to their cars to be much faster than the vaunted turbocharged neon...or don't really care because they are on this site because they enjoy an intelligent discussion...this one in particular has become very stupid due to someone who has no lagitimate business on the site. Most of your posts center around "your car is so slow, my neon is so fast" If any of us wanted to read about neons we'd go find the proper forum for it.

 

No it isn't. It isn't FORCING anything into the engine. It's being sucked into the engine like oxygen. All you're doing is simply adding another gas into the intake. A supercharger or turbocharger is physically FORCING air into the combustion chamber under pressure. Last I checked, Nitrous didn't have the ability to raise the pressure in the combustion chamber.

 

Nitrous is fair game we have just as much opportunity to use it as they do. They could say the same about us needing f/i to beat them.

but back to the topic there are some monster civics so I'd watch your ass when putting all civics into one category b/c you never know which one's gonna leave you and your ride in the dust.

self what you got done to your car? You talk like you've got alot done but I'm pretty sure I would have heard your name brought up in some srt conversation if that was the case.

 

pressure increases BECAUSE of the amount of air going in...duh?

 

It doesn't FORCE the air in. It's not even increasing it enough to be registered on a sensor.

 

Isn't it obvious he is here to troll! This guy gives every SRT-4 owner a bad rep. I don't understand why he has not been banned? I noticed people being banned for lesser things then this RETARD! I think the mods are on to him though, all his "ghey" sig. pictures are gone. Hopefully he left like a man and not the WUSS I know he is!

 

I have to say the thread should have been shut down a while ago. Given the clear definition of F/I vs the chemical reaction that takes place when the nitrous does it's thing inside the combustion chamber. While it does increase pressure in the chamber, it's not the result of mechanical compression. Perhaps Self should lay off the Fast and Curious flicks and do some research.

 

Self was right in essence. Nitrous and charging both increase the compression ratio, thus making power. Nitrous "forces" the motor to use more fuel and increase power. They both have the same outcome so there is no reason to not consider them the same.

 

Forced induction refers to the pressure of air being fed into the motor. N2O is not and cannot be forced induction. It is a chemical additive. If we use your arbitrary definition, why not add race fuel and octane booster to the list of forced induction?

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That is pure rice.

More octane does not EVER mean more power.:rol leyes:

 

Is that so? Then why does my buddy's S4 get more HP on 100 octane race fuel than on pump fuel? Why doesn't nascar and top fuel dragsters run 87 octane? I mean, I'm not a hot air balloon operator or anything so if you could educate me on this subject.

 

First off top fuel doesn't even run gasoline.

For octane... http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question90.htm

 

So is considering "NAWZ" to be forced induction...that was the point I was trying to make, obviously it worked.

 

You will never see me say "NAWZ" or NOS when referring to nitrous. So explain to me how nitrous isn't a form of forced induction. I will wholly agree it doesn't fit the definition of forced induction, but it does the EXACT same thing to make power.

 

Actually it doesn't DO the exact same thing. You get similar results through a different method.

F/I = more oxygen by increased amount of normal air (pressure).

Nitrous = more oxygen by increased O2 content through a chemical reaction.

 

next were going to get all the little hondas comming over here saying "OOOH johnny NAWS is the **** its F/I let me doo you in the butt with it. OOOOOOhhhhh johnny NAWS is like crack once you get it you dont want off of it."

Nitrous is a chemical end of story it does not require power to make power other then the electrical kind. Heres a test if you could take a motor just the motor and start it up (no electricity running through the motor just the belts and exhaust running it) the supercharger would still work and so would the turbo. BUT THE NITROUS wouldnt because guess what ITS NOT PART OF THE ENGINE. SOOOOOOOO we can logically assume since its not part of the engine its probably not going to be considered part of F/I. And because of this I am reminded of a story about logic

Two rednecks, Bubba and Cooter, decided that they weren't going anywhere in life and thought they should go to college to get ahead.
Bubba goes in first, and the professor advises him to take math, history and logic.

"What's logic?" asked Bubba.

The professor answered, "Let me give you an example. Do you own a weed-whacker?"

"I sure do," answered the redneck.

"Then I can assume, using logic, that you have a yard," replied the professor.

"That's real good," the redneck responded in awe.

The professor continued, "Logic will also tell me that since you have a yard, you also have a house."

Impressed, the redneck shouted, "AMAZIN'!"

"And since you own a house, logic dictates that you have a wife."

"Betty Mae! This is incredible!"

"Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume that you are heterosexual," said the professor.

"You're absolutely right! Why, that's the most fascinatin' thing I ever heard of! I cain't wait to take this here logic class."

Bubba, proud of the new world opening up to him, walked back into the hallway where Cooter is still waiting.

"So, what classes are ya takin?" he asks.

"Math, history and logic," replies Bubba.

Cooter says, "What in tarnation is logic?"

"Let me give you an example. Do ya own a weed-eater?"

"No."

"You're a queer, ain't ya?"

 

Nitrous forced induction? LOL please.

 

Incorrect. There are GTPs who run 100 octane to get a faster 1/4 mile time. If there's no power gained from it, why are they faster? Because it allows a hotter spark.