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Originally Posted by PpAzZ1101
Not entirely true... nitrous oxide undergoes a chemical reaction once it hits a certain temperature....
2 N2O + heat ----> 2N2 + O2. For every 2 moles of N2O, you get one mole of Oxygen molecules. So technically nitrous doesn't have a higher density of oxygen molecules... it just has the potential to release more under the right conditions.
But yes... it isn't pressurized when it enters the cylinder.... hence it's not forced induction. Think about it... forced ... maybe additional pressure in the end... but induction? It's not forced during the induction.
2 N2O + heat ----> 2N2 + O2. For every 2 moles of N2O, you get one mole of Oxygen molecules. So technically nitrous doesn't have a higher density of oxygen molecules... it just has the potential to release more under the right conditions.
But yes... it isn't pressurized when it enters the cylinder.... hence it's not forced induction. Think about it... forced ... maybe additional pressure in the end... but induction? It's not forced during the induction.
Plucked this off a website.
Nitrous oxide is not a fuel, it is an oxidizer. It carries more oxygen to the engine, allowing for faster burning of the fuel and generating more power. At high temperatures, such as those found inside a firing cylinder, nitrous oxide breaks down into nitrogen and oxygen gas. This raises the partial pressure of oxygen in the gas mix above the level found in normal atmospheric air, and lets the fuel burn more efficiently.
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From: OK
Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
My point is that the amount of oxygen molecules in that air is greater than the amount of molecules in the air that would normally enter the engine. If you're spraying nitrous, about 36% of the air oxygen, as opposed to regular air containing about 21% oxygen. You're getting over 50% more oxygen. Yes, you have to heat it to get the oxygen to form o2, but if you weren't getting more oxygen from the spray, there would be no gains.
Plucked this off a website.
In the end I'm trying to make this CoBot guy seem right in his eyes so this arguement will finally come to an end.
Plucked this off a website.
In the end I'm trying to make this CoBot guy seem right in his eyes so this arguement will finally come to an end.
I was just playing devil's advocate on the nitrous thing, as I think a couple of you realized, Alleycat is still at the insult stage though.
The octane thing though was me right from the beggining and providing a site and still being insulted about it. PpAzZ1101, I hope you know now that octane does not mean more power. It is still the engine making the power it is just able to make more power(advance timing and all) because it doesn't have the threat of detonation from a lower octane level. All octane does is allow you to tune for more power, it does not make more power, if you can't/don't tune for it, no increase in power.
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Originally Posted by CoBOT
I stopped a long time ago. You guys keep putting little tidbits of misinformation, that I OCDishly have to correct.
I was just playing devil's advocate on the nitrous thing, as I think a couple of you realized, Alleycat is still at the insult stage though.
The octane thing though was me right from the beggining and providing a site and still being insulted about it. PpAzZ1101, I hope you know now that octane does not mean more power. It is still the engine making the power it is just able to make more power(advance timing and all) because it doesn't have the threat of detonation from a lower octane level. All octane does is allow you to tune for more power, it does not make more power, if you can't/don't tune for it, no increase in power.
I was just playing devil's advocate on the nitrous thing, as I think a couple of you realized, Alleycat is still at the insult stage though.
The octane thing though was me right from the beggining and providing a site and still being insulted about it. PpAzZ1101, I hope you know now that octane does not mean more power. It is still the engine making the power it is just able to make more power(advance timing and all) because it doesn't have the threat of detonation from a lower octane level. All octane does is allow you to tune for more power, it does not make more power, if you can't/don't tune for it, no increase in power.
I think we were both on the same page. I never meant that you could just throw in some 94 and get more power. That's why I said in high compression engines or in engines running with f/i. I guess I was talking about a means of acheiving more power... not really making more power. That's why I gave the long explanation on detonation and the meaning of the octane scale. I think you misinterpreted what I meant.
Edit: At any rate, I think we're all on the same page now with octane. Nitrous... I'm done with that. I'm not even going to argue about that anymore with anyone. If you say you don't think it's f/i now, that's good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by PpAzZ1101
I can see what you're saying now. All you needed to do was provide an explanation like that (way more detailed than before).
I think we were both on the same page. I never meant that you could just throw in some 94 and get more power. That's why I said in high compression engines or in engines running with f/i. I guess I was talking about a means of acheiving more power... not really making more power. That's why I gave the long explanation on detonation and the meaning of the octane scale. I think you misinterpreted what I meant.
Edit: At any rate, I think we're all on the same page now with octane. Nitrous... I'm done with that. I'm not even going to argue about that anymore with anyone. If you say you don't think it's f/i now, that's good enough for me.
I think we were both on the same page. I never meant that you could just throw in some 94 and get more power. That's why I said in high compression engines or in engines running with f/i. I guess I was talking about a means of acheiving more power... not really making more power. That's why I gave the long explanation on detonation and the meaning of the octane scale. I think you misinterpreted what I meant.
Edit: At any rate, I think we're all on the same page now with octane. Nitrous... I'm done with that. I'm not even going to argue about that anymore with anyone. If you say you don't think it's f/i now, that's good enough for me.
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