fyi, supposedly the '08's have a new head design and are pretty bad ass. So be careful if you guys run across them. I heard they were dohc 32 valve heads and that they are a great upgrade for 03 cobras.

 

the 08 what?

 

It's both funny and incredibly stupid that most of those calling B.S. drive the same car as the OP, yet completely short-change its performance capability. I'd wager that almost NONE of the people littering this thread bench racing has ever ran a tuned LNF against a Termi, an 05+ GT, or anything else with a V-8 for that matter because V-8's are teh awsum n teh can nevar looosseee. You guys drive Cobalts because they're economical domestic cars but you have absolutely NO CLUE as to their performance potential. In short, if you have not experienced a tuned LNF, your opinion is completely invalid.

"Ricer roll."

You know who says that? RWD guys who get owned from a roll because they don't have the power/weight ratio to keep up. Stop crying, take your **** pile back to the garage, and mod it until it can keep up. Digs don't show whose car is faster, they show who gets more traction and/or who is the better driver. Fine, your V8 gets better traction and/or you can drive better. My car is faster. The end.

"A factory freak blah blah blah car with God driving and blowing into the intake at the same time under a high pressure system at sea level with a perfectly prepared track and tires made of Gorilla glue ran X.XX. There's no way that car with a blown motor racing through hell with a dump truck chained to the bumper could ever be beaten by your Cobalt"

The quarter mile record or any quarter mile time for a given car does not apply on the street under any circumstances EVER. The "faster" car could be running poorly, it could have a dirty filter, it could have brakes that stick, the driver could suck... crazy things happen.

"A Terminator blah blah blah I'm a Mustang fanboi blah blah blah."

I love Terminators. I really do. But I happened to run a modded 'vert with a bad driver the other night from a roll, and he only put about four cars on me. I had two friends, or 400 extra pounds of dead weight in the HHR when it happened. Subtract that, and the weight avantage a Cobalt has, and you have a good run.

"Blah blah blah V-8 car makes eleventy billion horsepower. There's no way your 300hp Cobalt could win."

There's this thing called mass. When your car has alot of it, horsepower doesn't mean as much.


Good kill man, but if you post the vid here, it's likely to get this thread locked. I had that problem on other forums that are said to be under the same ownership. I suggest posting it on youtube and PMing the link to those who want it.

 

+1 because the GT's are 24V SOHC.

 

here we have one of those people that hates on others for being realistic then says, stuff like power to weight ratio, "there's a thing called mass" etc. like there is a reason the cobalt would be faster.

let's look at the facts for this guys night of racing and think about how realistic it is.

ss/tc's with mods like his have been trapping what...106-110ish max?

bolt on s197's will trap over 106 without a retarded driver. even if the driver has the IQ of a bread stick they are NOT going to get walked by 6 cars.

a bolt on terminator even with just intake/exhaust easily makes 400rwhp. a 3700 lb car with 400rwhp >>> than a 3,100 lb car making 300fwhp. roll, dig, reverse race around an ice cream cone...the lighter car is still gonna get walked, especially with powerband and traction advantages to the first car.

on top of that, if he got beat by a mach 1 that doesn't have any forced induction, he should not have beaten that gt by more than a car or 2 and should have lost horribly to the cobra. I have a mach 1. In fact i have a mach 1 that at one point was bolted pretty well and then had forced induction. he would get absolutely MURDERED by a forced induction mach, so we can assume it was n/a, in which case it would run no faster than mid 12's unless its one of the VERY few stroker or h/c mach 1's in the country.

sorry we try to introduce logic into these forums. I know it goes against the grain, but that's life. Next time i see a gallardo kill from a stage 2 balt or a bike kill i'll make sure to keep you in mind. Oh yes...they have both been claimed.

YES THERE ARE BAD DRIVERS OUT THERE AND SOMETIMES CARS THAT SHOULD WIN WILL LOSE, BUT THE PROBABILITY OF THIS GUY COMING ACROSS TWO ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE DRIVERS IN TWO MODDED CARS LIKE THIS IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY ESPECIALLY UNDER THE SITUATIONS HE TALKED ABOUT.
maybe he's talking about the gt500? as far as i know there were no head changes to the 500 for 08...

 

It would have to be..but I wonder how easily it would be to switch the heads off of the GT500's 5.4L to the Termies 4.6L.

 

not really sure. the 5.4 is a mod motor so it shouldn't be too hard. i know with the last gen blown 5.4 you could use those heads on a 4.6 with an adapter plate for the intake. i dont know how smart it would be with a termi tho. the terminator heads are very good. you'd be better off spending the money on a better form of forced induction, then stronger rods/pistons. the stock dohc 4.6 heads wont become a bottleneck until u get way up there.

 

Had to be a slower automatic... no way a tuned TC is going to do that to a new Must GT unless he really did miss a gear, which I believe he did... I believe 2 cars maybe but no more... Why? Becasue I've put 2 cars on a tuned, exhaust CAI and UD pulley 07" GT with s stick..in my TC with just a tune and K& N drop-in....

STOCK FOR STOCK with two good drivers, the TC will win due to its weight to pwr ratio >> TC ---11.3 lbs\per hp vs. Must GT-----12.2 lbs\ per hp: I ran my buddy in his 08'GT when his car was new and stock with my TC when new and stock back in Sept... I ran 13.9's@ 102 mph and he ran around 14.1@ 99 to 100 mph, I was consistantly putting about a car on him at the finish.


FYI: Exhaust\CAI for the TC's do not give any more than maybe 2-4 hp ( I've seen many dyno'd) so they're really not worth their weight in gold till the car is near 300 whp... SAE numbers are real pwr... STD numbers are over stated,, from a dyno stand point... Each is calcuated.....

 

The "logic" that you and almost everyone else in this thread has introduced is track and 1/4 mile related ONLY and doesn't apply to a street race that went on for who knows how far on God knows what tires, and surface. We don't know weather conditions, if the car was in top shape, or the experience of the other driver. The trap speeds that you're talking about may be just the first half of the race. I know it takes me longer than a 1/4 mile to catch some of the modded s197's I kill, but it's still a kill. Furthermore, he never said if he raced the Cobra from a dig or a roll.

"I used to drag here back in high school. That railroad crossing is exactly 1/4 mile away from here. On green, I'm going for it."

Your "logic" holds more water in The Fast and the Furious.

 

this coming from the person that said a dig race is not a measure of whos car is faster. trap speeds are a very good indicator of how a a car accelerates up top. do you even know how trap speed is measured? it's not how fast you're going when you break the beam i'll tell you that. it is a VERY good indicator of how well a car accelerates at higher speeds because well it is a measurement of exactly that. 1/4 times and trap speeds can tell you a shitload more about how well a car performs in a straight line than just how long it takes them to do the 1320. and ummm i dont know where you learned to read, but he DID say he raced the cobra from a roll. So he lost to a bolt on mach 1, but beat a bolt on cobra in the same roll race...mmk. i may not have experience racing ss/tc's, but i can assure you i have far more experience in cobras and mach 1's (especially mach 1's) than probably any of you and bolt on cobra >>>> bolt on mach 1 ESPECIALLY FROM A ROLL.

 

i can c him beating the gt cuz i pull them by a car to car and a half. but idk about him beatin 1 by 6cars that my friend is a raping and about 1 sec or more on a 1/4 mile track

 

I don't think I'm the best driver, or even really good. My best track time was done at 102. My buddy's Mustang also does his best run at 102, but he's .9 faster than me in the quarter. Now you tell me what quarter mile times and trap speeds tell you about the fact that I cracked his pony ass on the street over and over?


You got me. I must have missed the roll race detail on the Cobra. But it's whatever, because that puts things more in the OP's favor.

 

first part, cracking his pony ass on the street means what? winning by how much? what kind of races? Are these real high speed races? trap speed is measured over the last 132 feet of the drag strip (technically part of this is actually past the end of the track), not just one single spot. it's physics. If a car that runs a 13.2 @ 105 is right next to a car that runs a 13.2@102 that means the first car is accelerating faster from the point it reaches the first eye 66 feet from the finish line to the last eye. Trap speed tells you which car is accelerating faster at the end of the track if they have similar ET's. since the fastest trap speed we have seen from a stock ss/tc is 104 and it ran a mid 13, a car running a mid 13 and trapping 106 for example is going to be faster from a roll. bolt on gt's usually trap similar if not higher than what we are seeing out of people with similar mods to this guy. that basically tells us unless you take it to real high speeds, well above trap speed, you are going to be close if not losing. You should NOT be pulling anywhere close to 6 cars. Now a terminator is hard to launch. IRS and gobs of torque right off idle makes it very hard. a roll just decreasese the chances of a cobra driver screwing up which is the only way this guy should keep anywhere close to a bolt on cobra. Like i said before, the mustang thing we can attribute to bad driving i guess, but when you have bad driving out of the gt, then horrible driving out of the cobra it makes it just....this guy is racing monkeys. a bolt on cobra should never lose to a bolt on mach 1 from a roll. The only time a bolt on mach has an advantage over a bolt on cobra is from a dig if the mach is bolted up pretty much with everything and the cobra just has a few minor things done. The mach 1 is lighter and has an 8.8", so launching is much easier with the mach. from a roll a mach 1 should lose more to a cobra than it would from a dig. Also...with launch control and less torque, the cobalt would actually probably be better off from a dig against the cobra.

 

Last I checked a turbo back exhaust and tuned ss/tc will run low 13's and high 12's on DR's. I'd say that is right there.....just not 6 car lengths

 

Three to four cars fom low rolls into fourth gear. Not sure what mods he has, besides intake and exhaust. The point I'm making is that quarter mile times wouldn't have told you that I'd beat him. I'm sure you could do some math with a full time slip and come up with something reasonable, but this isn't about me and my buddy's car or me versus you. You seem to be relatively informed. Most people in this thread are listing quarter mile times alone as their basis as to whether or not A car versus B car is possible on the street under unknown conditions, and you can't do that. There are just too many variables. I've beaten C5 vettes in my HHR, but I would NEVER expect to do that on the track against a good driver with the car in kill mode. The street is different. Things happen, people chicken out, whatever. A kill is a kill. Just give the guy props, and wait for the video. No need for all of the drama.

 

You're way, way off. An 05+ GT with a good driver in a 5spd manual will pull off a 13.4-13.5 all day long, and I believe the fastest SS/TC so far was a 13.66, but most are around 13.9 or so. The 14.1 your friend ran sucks *****, he either sucks at driving or wasnt trying.

 

What kind of 60 fts are the 05+ GT's pulling on their 13.4-13.5 runs?

I ask because I was at the track one night and was running a guy in an 07 GT Bone stock, and it was his first time at the track, and his first manual car.

After a few passes he had it down to a 14.2, with about a 2.2 60ft, and I figured there was still a lot of room for improvement on his 60fts, and his shifting as well.

I was just wondering what they should be pulling, is 1.9 out of the question on them with stock tires?

Kevin

 

no 1.9 is definitely not out of the question. average for the 13.4-13.5 runs are about a 2.0. people have done 1.8's 100% stock. actually more than you would think. those are the guys that are running 13.2's and 13.3's.

 

No way it happened without the driver losing both legs

 

im still glad i picked my ss/sc over a 05+ gt.

 

i hve never heard this before and i hang out most of the time a mustangforums.com, if any they were cripple a bit with less agressive gears for fuel economy. Other than that is the same car

 

i looked at the footage and the first race was about 4-5 cars and the second race was about 3-4 cars all im saying it was pretty bad lol

^^^ have i met you before? off of westhimer? do you have a blue hhr?

 

it's what I heard. Don't know how accurate it is. who cares, I was just throwing some more useless info out there just like this thread.

this thread is so full of epic fail.

 

I wouldnt be, LOL. I was actually looking at trading in my 01 Mustang GT I had for an SS/SC, but I couldnt do it. But when I heard about the SS/TC coming out, I jumped all over that and got rid of my 01 GT. No way in hell I would trade my 05 GT for an SS/SC, isnt worth it at all.

 

my ss beats gt's so idc