so if these cars can run 13s, how did my stock (cai only) cobalt outrun it ? i was still pulling when i let off ... was it because his was an automatic ?

 

I believe the automatics are geared for great highway fuel economy

 

Was this from a dig, or roll? They are hard cars to launch, so if he spun and you didnt than I can see you beating him. But your intake only SS/SC shouldnt even be coming close to beating an LS1 GTO.

 

thats one of those lists of the "best of the best"
kind of like the infamous ls1 camaros that run 12.9.

i have a kill posted from last week against a A4 ls1 GTO.
he never got past my door and he lost by a length thru 4th after 5 failed attempts.

so no doubts here.






Ls2....different story

 

How can it be a "best of the best" list, when it's 12 people that have ran 13.3 or better stock? I can see if just the top 3 or 4 ran 13.3 or better, but it's 12, and hard telling how many have ran between 13.4-13.6. If you ran 14.3 in the 1/4 mile, than something was wrong if an LS1 GTO couldnt beat you.

 

it was from a dig but like i said originally i didnt drop the clutch i eased thru first so i wouldnt spin and as to if he spun idk i cant hear anything over my intake but he told my buddy afterwards to meet him later on and he would bring his 6.0 haha. i told him i was bringing my awd 6.0 and he stopped acting so cocky but its whatever. i won, he was racing from start to finish, he admitted to it. that was my first good kill so far. and yea thats why i said my car was stock because an intake doesnt do much for these cars.

and if you all with modded ss/sc's and tuned ss/tc's run up on a porsche cayman s, race it ! i was door to door with a white one until he shifted to third and he PULLED ( observe the caps ). it looked brand freaking new too ! somebody race one !!

yeah i wouldnt dare bite if an ls2 tried to mess with me unless it was my dad haha hes raped me time after time but im hoping that just maybe one time we will start from just the right roll and ill start to pull but itll prolly never happen. hahaha

 

I wish I could run in to a cobalt ss sc / tc that can beat my GTO.......at the track or freeway, doesn't matter. Where are all these fast cobalts? My very own cobalt can't even beat my own GTO.

 

its the best of the best because its not like they took 12 random cars and thats what they all ran. those cars came from the same lists we have here on css.net, the stock 1/4 mile lists. if you narrow 25+k cars down to the top 12 of course they're gonna be really fast. but how about aaaaaaaaaall the other cars, the majority, that are a low slower than that?

 

W/ enough seat time any 6spd LS1 car should run a 13.3 or better...and the 323 autos not much slower..thats also including the GTO's...like said previously its not so much the extra weight that kills them its the tricky irs launch...Cobra guys go through the same stuff. The 13.7 times or worse that your seeing is pretty much new drivers...got a kid here who got a 6spd ls1 goat not to long ago...first time ever out w/ it shortly after getting it was a 13.7.

 

You're also from NJ, which means you're probably running at Etown or Atco. Those tracks are both quite a bit quicker and faster than the majority of the tracks in the country. It also depends on weather conditions and time of the year, DA, etc.

 

Listen to this newbie, he speaks wisdom... welcome... slowpoke.

 

^

Tyler

 

it is a large sight.
think of all the members there and a handful ran those time (or the ones proud enough to bother posting it) guys dont go into the those "post your time" threads if they were the norm.

you are judging my time, not my trap.
i would do the same to another auto GTO from a roll.
yes ANY stock auto GTO ls1.

the Cobalt makes power, just cant put it down on launch.
I know roll racing sucks but thats why the Cobalt is just a ls1 GTO eating DD

:hides:

you are pretty modded so......um ok.

a tuned t/c is going to put a nasty fight against a stock ls1.

exactly my point

 

i can prolly get ahold of this guy and get some vids if you all would like ? haha or maybe i can record a phone call from me to him saying that he lost ?

all i know is cobalt 1 gto 0

 

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/war-stories-54/4-door-cobalt-ss-ls1-gto-auto-hides-181916/


In case they need a reminder this is not a fluke

 

congrats on the win first of all. now not all gto's are slow. and all cobalts are not fast. and anyone can be beat. just the other day i had this guy in a turbo cobalt beside me at a light. my car is shakeing like hell, and this guy tells me he has a bigger turbo than stock not sure how big. and he had some more stuff done, minor though. when the light went green i jumped a car length and by the time i had hit 2nd i had already put 3-4 lengths on him. we slowed and he said he has never been beaten that bad, and has out run many gto's. he asked me how much power i was running and i told him 500hp. and it was the 5.7 all motor with everything else stock. i am useing this as to what i stated. and i can see a stock gto getting raped by a t/c. they are very quick from the factory. and i just about bought me one in 04 before i bought my gto. and once again sweet run against the stock gto...

 

Two wins is more of a fluke then not, how many times has the out come been the other way? Most of the time auto or not a GTO will win stock for stock. Granted you run one that is a DD like the guy I passed next to my work in a auto stock 04 that looked to be 60+ years old with a stomach almost touching the steering wheel the pendulum will swing the other way to a car that is slightly slower (by a couple mph in the traps, not 5). I don't doubt this kill but this isn't the norm. A DD car not taken care of like a member on a car forum with 80k+ miles on it will be showing its age and diminishing its chances.

I do have a question though for ya, what is with the shocked face next to your time with the cobalt?

Your not 500 hp, probably between 460-480 crank. When some asks your hp you might want to tell them your rear wheel as that is the norm in stead of guesstimating your crank to sound better.

A stock TC would never "rape" any sort of stock LS motor GTO or any body LS motor period. It might win once or twice out of every ten times, but rape is a strong word that should almost never be used unless the power out between the two cars is so significant and the weight is similar.

Tyler

 

well, the guys from my race were young and in good health from what i could tell (ie: no 150lb belly excuse) and the car appeared to be in great shape with 20k miles.
So, I guess I don't understand how it would be different with any other car. We have to agree to disagree since I still believe a stock ls1 auto GTO is not going to pull a good shifted t/c. Id love to do it again with a local for fun.

The smiley is because i am still in shock of the performance of these cars. In perspective, my Z makes it look like its standing still (a 20mph diff in the 1/8 can do that) so its just all in fun.

Oh and I in no way doubt an ass whupping from a dig. It woulda been ugly for me against my guy. But from any roll, he lost.

 

all this talk about gto losing to a cobalt and no slow_sho....thats a first

 

first of all it doesn't matter which.i have real close to 500 crank hp. and if you read my sig you would know what my wheel hp is. and as far as your crank hp goes you will loose around 85% loss to all the factors. i just used that as a instance of what i told him. the fact is that he was never going to beat me, and he new it. i did not get on here to start argueing with anyone about the difference between the gto and the cobalt ss. and if you do not know what hp someone's car has, you might try not to say anything. your were not far off with those figures, but not right...

 

First off I read your sig, and that is the numbers I was going off of. You don't have a cam only 500hp crank LS1. If you added heads then yeah you can get there with a mild cam. I was just saying when talking to car guys you go by rear wheel not crank, crank is just a ricer way of trying to sound more impressive then you really are.

I know alot about GTO's, I have one. I have been dealing with the LS1 since 01, so I know a thing or two about that.

I don't doubt you beat him as I know that GTO's always beat Cobalts 99% of the time, just saying you and your I have 500 hp comment. You are alot closer to 450 then 500 crank, 469 crank to be exact. Are those Dyno numbers old and you have done some more to it?

BTW, real close is like 490-495 not sub 470.

Don't get all made because some one is trying to correct you and steer you away from your ricer math. Any car guy here if someone told them the HP they are putting down would think at the wheels.

More info on the goat? Cam specs? Intake type? Headers type?

Tyler

 

"I don't doubt you beat him as I know that GTO's always beat Cobalts 99% of the time"

100% in my case. I haven't lost to a cobalt ss or tc yet, 1/4 mile or 1/8. Everytime I go to the track, Cobalts average 14.2's modded to 15's stock at the 1/4; 9's and 10's at the 1/8. My SS did 14.4 with just GM stage 2. 13.7 with a 50 shot, traction was hopeless, even with DR's. My GTO on street tires turns in consistent 13.3 - 13.4's at 105, 8.4's on the 1/8. I have new 3600 stall installed and ready to get some numbers, as soon as I get my Drag Radials. Drag Racing, GTO or any LSX for the win!

Now for all the fun twists and turns at the Canyons, daily driving, the SS is hella fun!!

Love my cobalt, love my goat

Just my opinion =)

 

hahahah where'd you hear that from!!!! and thats pretty bad for a 50 shot on drag radials. especially down in cali.

i can see you not running in to any cobalts that beat you because you run 13.3-4. not because they run low 14s modded and 15s stock....cause, they dont

 

Ask the guys who just went to the track from this:
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/south-pacific-57/california-speedway-june-27th-175943/

The best time was 13.6x on I believe from a member here "Rissa" her car driven by "hatrickstu" This is from a Turbo SS. Ask hatrickstu, racing in 100 degree weather at 1500' above sea level and bad track prep = the times I just mentioned.

This tracks in this this part of Cali suck, these cars at atco would be turning in 12's huh?

 

i didn't say anything about the gto beating cobalts 99% of the time. and i did not use ricer math. you might want to look into the mirror for someone who drives around a 4 cyl car with or without a wing. i took mine off my goat when i bought it. as it does absoutely nothing but add eight on the car. apparently you do not know as much about ls1's as you think! i am still useing the stock intake as it is the ls6 intake,pacesetter longtubes,stock throttle body,stock 241 heads, and when my car was dynoed they put 21 back to back pulls to get as much out of it as they could. they did so many that the stock clutch was starting to slip. and there was so many ford cobra people at the dyno area that said there was no way my car was going to make the hp and tq it did to the wheels. i am going to put ud pulleys, and heads on before long. now if anyone wants to see the dyno sheet they can go to ableraceing.com. mine is in there web site. also the dyno was done on a dynojet dyno. as i stated before i am glad to see the cobalt win his race. as anything can happen on the street. as more and more young people are getting to buy cars with alot more hp and tq than they are used to. when you go to the track just watch the other people in there cars, and you will see that alot of people do not know how to drive....