Man GIVE UP!!!

A) The new Mustang GT's don't weigh 3600lbs, and the reason they are fast is due to good weight transfer, RWD and low end TQ. And the 05-06 GT's aren't mid 13 second cars stock.

B) And a RWD STi or EVO would run 14's due to poor weight transfer and traction issues.

So basically all of the excusses you give for the STi's and EVO's only add to the fact that without AWD they would no longer be quick and would still be slow.

 

I'm not sure where people here are getting their info about third generation smallblocks, but other than the bore spacing being 4.4", they don't share much with their older siblings. And considering the 4.8L and 5.3L in millions of Silverado are third gen smallblocks, they are relatively cheap to come across now. Although a lot of aftermarket components are cheaper for an old smallblock, you don't need to upgrade much on a third generation engine to make 500 horses. And best of all, you can EASILY use a carb to do it. Heck, the vast majority of things I'd do to improve a 5.3L are machining processes I'd do to a 1st or second generation smallblock, too. So, if you'd consider building an engine with a machinist, you'd not be saving much money by sticking with the old engine. If you're not gonna bother with blueprinting or balancing, sure, you can build the old one cheaper.

 

A) O'rly.... http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=4 .... hmmm 3600lb weight. and 13.7 in the quarter. Can you say Pwnt?

B) How can you say a imaginary car would have poor weight transfer and traction issues??
Edit... I remember sport compact car converted a bone stock STI to rwd and I think it still ran 13s.

So basically I keep proving you wrong. So you should give up.

 

Why don't you take your ricer ass to the STi or EVO forums?

You don't know **** so quit going back and forth with BS ricer trash!

I know many people with 05-06 GT's, two of which are my good friends. One weighed 34XXlbs and the other 3532lbs. One was a near base model deluxe and the other a fully loaded premium. It may not be that much of a difference but I am right and you are wrong.

And will you please stop with the STi and EVO bullshit no one cares anyway. I killed them with AWD so I would kill them without AWD.

 

uh oh, Cody was proved wrong AGAIN so he has to start calling people ricers because his intelligence level can't keep up.

I posted up a site that proved you wrong ...


Any vids of you killing an EVO or STI from a dig, which is all that matters?

 

In case you didn't notice there smart guy I proved you wrong.

Your know different than the whine ass STi guys who won't race from a roll.

And do videos of my Camaro SS's wiping the floor with STi's count?

 

Where in the hell did you prove me wrong??? I ownt your ass about the Mustang GT and you haven't said anything about that.

Your NO different from all the ricer idiots that race from a roll.

Yeah show me all the videos of you owning STI's stock from a dig..... please.

 

no cobalt ss is going to beat a trans am without major modding. the ls/lt1's have you by over 100 rwhp.

 

i should say 100 crank hp my mistype.

 

wow, this needs to be locked

 

Well i didn't feel like reading through the whole thing but, to answer the beging questions if not allready answered.

IF THE BACK HATCH SPOILER WAS RAISED IT WAS A TRANS-AM
IF THE BACK HATCH SPOILER WAS FLUSH IT WAS A FIREBIRD
ONLY SURE WAY TO TELL VERY VERY FEW FIREBIRD OWNERS REPLACE THE HATCH TOO EXPENSIVE THE HOOD YOU CAN GET STOCK WITH IT THE FRONT CHEAP TO CHANGE
THEY DO HAVE A FIREBIRD MODEL THAT HAD DUAL EXHAUST V6 VERSION.

 

Thats nowhere near right.

Yes, the raised spoiler means it was a Trans am, but the spoiler that sits flush means it could have been a Firebird or a Formula. A Formula has the same LS1, without the rear hatch and side skirts.

The front WS6 hood was optional on the Trans Am and the 98-00 Formulas. After 2000, if a Formula has a WS6 hood, its aftermarket.

The base model T/A doesnt have a WS6 hood, but the foglights are centered, where as the Firebirds and Formulas are outside of the parking lights.

 

.4 is alot dude. alot. i do agree though, bang for buck, right now the ls1 f-body cars are the best. you can pick up an ss for like 12 grand used with fairly low milage. that is just tight as hell.

 

Thats why I said " less than .4 of a second "

 

Yikes, what happened to my thread, hahaha

 

People who don't know about real cars happened.

 

 

.3 is still a good deal slower. not alot, but autos are inherently slower, unless they are high performance auto trannies. a good manual tranny vs a good auto tranny with equal gearing, the manual will be faster. now when you start talking racing tranny's it is a different story, but autos from the factory are more often than not slower, until you get up into dsg's and such which arent really even automatics anymore.

 

I didn't even have to single you out superSS/SC.

 

I like how superss/sc stopped arguing over Sti's and then started up on the merits of the SBC vs. the GEN III and IV SB's and then onto the big-blocks.

Can't have it both way's cuz if you think of yourself as an expert on SBC's then you wouldnt have started whining about STI's and EVO's in the first place.

 

So if a person knows about STIs they can't know anything about SBCs??? The reason I stopped talking about STIs/EVOs is because it was done...(learn about thread evolution)

And if you could read, you would have read that I did not bring up big blocks.

I was right about everything, Cody was wrong about everything (no surprise there).

In conclusion...
---The new Mustang GTs can weigh around 3600lbs and run mid-13s.
---STIs/EVOs stock to stock out perform LS1 F-bodies in every way that matters. Don't be a ricer and say, "well if they didn't have their AWD"...they have AWD STFU.
---Old SBCs are still more bang for your buck than LS1s, not to mention old BBCs.
---The thread starter raced a V6.

 

Uhhhhhhhh

Here we go again.

STI's and Evo's stock for stock run evenly with a LS1 F-body at best. stop being an import troll.

How about you stop being a ricer and admit that the LS1 F-bodys (because of RWD) will catch the EVO or STI 3/4 of the way down the track and that the AWD hampers acceleration after the first 60 feet.

I can't think of onw STI or EVO owner that is stock that would race a f-body from a roll.

And only you could say how superior a 2 year old car is over a car that debuted 9 years ago and was discontinued 4 years ago.

I, on the other hand can argue the merits of the LS1 F-body because of the fact that it predated the cars that you prefer to have wet dreams over.

See my first post in this thread. You are the one whining about how superior they are. The LS1 guys did not go calling you out. You called them out so STFU.

 

And what I meant was that if you actually knew anything worth-while about SBC and the cars they are in (wink...firebird/camaro...wink) then you would not continue rambling on about how the Evo/Sti are the be all and end all to all your car and speed needs.

 

Stock for stock if you averaged all the times in the world STIs/EVOs would have better 1/4mi. ETs than the LS1 f-bodies.

What track do you race from a roll at??? Ricer

What does it matter when the car came out???? Straw grasping...

Cody said the LS1 f-bodies are the ultimate performers. That is the far from the truth. They are great cars and a lot of bang for bucks and easily modded, but the ultimate performer, not even close. And then after I say that, you say the LS1 f-bodies are the ultimate performers because the come with the ultimate engine, the LS1. I then proceed to tell you that all though the LS1 is an awesome engine it is not the best for going fast cheap. SBCs and BBCs can still make a lot more power a lot cheaper.

I was comparing OLD SBCs to the LS1s that is it. Do not twist my words because you have nothing intelligent to bring to the table.

When have I ever said the EVOs/STIs "are the be all and end all to all your car and speed needs"??? More straw grasping.

EVOs/STIs out perform LS1 f-bodies in every way that matters point blank.

0-60 goes to STI/EVO
1/8 mile goes to STI/EVO
1/4 mile goes to STI/EVO
Skid pad goes to STI/EVO
Any road track/autoX/twisty road goes to STI/EVO
Slalom speed goes to STI/EVO
Braking goes to STI/EVO

Anything else I missed??? Do not say from a roll unless you have time slips.

 

Funny, most of the STi's and Evos around here are running low to mid 13's. 13.30's to 13.50's, and thats about the same as most ls1 f-bodies, and slower than quite a few. I'll give you the fact that it's gonna pull a better 60 and 1/8th, but who cares? My car doesn't stare pulling til after the 1/8th.

Face it, STi's and Evos are autocross and rally cars, they arent made for 1/4 which is what most people buy F-Bodies for. I've had a couple friends with WRX's that try to run them in the quarter and both of them have had major tranny issues, as has another guy with an Evo. They are nice cars, and quick, but those 5k dumps on pavement are not what the cars were designed for. Basically, you're comparing a car that was built for speed in a straight line to a car that built for speed in the twisties.

As far as the SBC being a better bang for the buck than the LS1....you dont know much about the LS1 do you?

Go find a rolling chasis to put a smallblock in, then build the motor to get the appropriate power out of it and see how much you're at. You cant go out and buy a SBC for 500 bucks and think its gonna put down 400 hp.

I bought my car for 9500 dollars and with minimal mods I put down 353/362. Go see what it takes for you to get that kind of power out of a SBC. It's easy, but its not near as cheap as you want it to sound.