SS S/C vs. GTO
gotta remember how much power can be had with those mods on the evo's. he's probably putting down 40+whp more than he was stock.
Thats why I didn't say he was full of ****.
I have had modded EVO's spank me in my GTO before, they do still run out of gear though. I raced one way to far once and at 130mph I flew by like he dropped an anchor.
I have had modded EVO's spank me in my GTO before, they do still run out of gear though. I raced one way to far once and at 130mph I flew by like he dropped an anchor.
Or he let off? Seriously if up until 130 he was still ahead what does he have to gain by racing any further? Just saying that could be a possibility.
Heres what I think
Braking is absolutly awesome with the 05-06 GTO, it easily matches a SS/SC and Solstice GXP.
As for handling I have had better and worse also. I would say the GTO handles like my 2002 Camaro SS but not as good as my 2000 Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein suspension option. The alignment is key though a car that was aligned to positive camber by dealers hoping to avoid strut rub handle like ass. My GTO was at +.25 camber and I took it down to -.25 and it made a load of difference.
Braking is absolutly awesome with the 05-06 GTO, it easily matches a SS/SC and Solstice GXP.
As for handling I have had better and worse also. I would say the GTO handles like my 2002 Camaro SS but not as good as my 2000 Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein suspension option. The alignment is key though a car that was aligned to positive camber by dealers hoping to avoid strut rub handle like ass. My GTO was at +.25 camber and I took it down to -.25 and it made a load of difference.
Braking is absolutly awesome with the 05-06 GTO, it easily matches a SS/SC and Solstice GXP.
124ft 60-0 for the GTO and 114FT from 60-0 in the cobalt. Not what I would call easily matching...but pretty impressive for a 3800 lb car none the less.
Thanks for the info.
Just was reading up on the E55 AMG's and there was a test article that had this comment in it, relating why a car with 469 HP is moving 2 ton plus four door automatic car deep into the 12's. It has to do with the abundence of torque that it makes.
"Here's a little gearhead dish: While peak horsepower has a certain marquee value, it's not especially relevant outside of top speed. Acceleration -- the sensual, guilty, giddy gestalt of tramping the gas pedal and feeling yourself shoved into the fast-forward scenery -- is the product of engine torque pitted against the mass of a car."
Just thought this would be a little more fuel to the fire on why torque is important when moving mass. Tyler
"Here's a little gearhead dish: While peak horsepower has a certain marquee value, it's not especially relevant outside of top speed. Acceleration -- the sensual, guilty, giddy gestalt of tramping the gas pedal and feeling yourself shoved into the fast-forward scenery -- is the product of engine torque pitted against the mass of a car."
Just thought this would be a little more fuel to the fire on why torque is important when moving mass. Tyler
Just was reading up on the E55 AMG's and there was a test article that had this comment in it, relating why a car with 469 HP is moving 2 ton plus four door automatic car deep into the 12's. It has to do with the abundence of torque that it makes.
"Here's a little gearhead dish: While peak horsepower has a certain marquee value, it's not especially relevant outside of top speed. Acceleration -- the sensual, guilty, giddy gestalt of tramping the gas pedal and feeling yourself shoved into the fast-forward scenery -- is the product of engine torque pitted against the mass of a car."
Just thought this would be a little more fuel to the fire on why torque is important when moving mass. Tyler
"Here's a little gearhead dish: While peak horsepower has a certain marquee value, it's not especially relevant outside of top speed. Acceleration -- the sensual, guilty, giddy gestalt of tramping the gas pedal and feeling yourself shoved into the fast-forward scenery -- is the product of engine torque pitted against the mass of a car."
Just thought this would be a little more fuel to the fire on why torque is important when moving mass. Tyler
Just was reading up on the E55 AMG's and there was a test article that had this comment in it, relating why a car with 469 HP is moving 2 ton plus four door automatic car deep into the 12's. It has to do with the abundence of torque that it makes.
"Here's a little gearhead dish: While peak horsepower has a certain marquee value, it's not especially relevant outside of top speed. Acceleration -- the sensual, guilty, giddy gestalt of tramping the gas pedal and feeling yourself shoved into the fast-forward scenery -- is the product of engine torque pitted against the mass of a car."
Just thought this would be a little more fuel to the fire on why torque is important when moving mass. Tyler
"Here's a little gearhead dish: While peak horsepower has a certain marquee value, it's not especially relevant outside of top speed. Acceleration -- the sensual, guilty, giddy gestalt of tramping the gas pedal and feeling yourself shoved into the fast-forward scenery -- is the product of engine torque pitted against the mass of a car."
Just thought this would be a little more fuel to the fire on why torque is important when moving mass. Tyler
the ls2 is an AMERICAN engine, you know, from the corvette? holden may have designed it, but american muscle is what gives it the muscle.
with an AMERICAN motor which gives it the muscle?
the GTO isnt a muscle car. a muscle car is sticking a huge powerful motor in a 2 door midsize economy car, along with economy handling, enonomy brakes and just slightly over economy car price.
mmmmmm some more quotes from another forum about the GTO.
God some people are ****** lame.
with an AMERICAN motor which gives it the muscle?
the GTO isnt a muscle car. a muscle car is sticking a huge powerful motor in a 2 door midsize economy car, along with economy handling, enonomy brakes and just slightly over economy car price.
mmmmmm some more quotes from another forum about the GTO.
God some people are ****** lame.
The funny thing is alot of people on this site must agree with me because quite a few call you that now so...
Tell you what, why dont you show me and everyone else on this site some proof of your claims and Ill drop it, untill that time Ill continue to call you CodyBS and Im sure everyone else will too.
) figured they had to make the GTO's suspension a little more compliant for the target audience (older crowd/baby boomers) I get more body roll than I did with the Saturn, kinda sad that a Saturn felt more rigid in the corners than a Pontiac. The GTO does track well, but I'm just not real comfortable with the lean I get even though many magazine articles claim that the lean is no indication that the GTO is nearing the limits of adhesion.
I went 12.81 @ 108.2 bone stock... so hmm
those are 04 GTO braking #'s. the 05-06 have bigger brakes
i ran a 12.8 stock
you seen shitty drivers
stock for stock, driver for driver
the LS1 and LS2 GTO will defeat an SS/SC Cobalt every time
After reading up on them...I wouldn't say "easily" thats for sure. It may FEEL like it, but from everything I saw the cobalt out brakes the GTO by a good 10ft from 60-0 (which is a good difference) and a whole lot more than that from 100-0.
124ft 60-0 for the GTO and 114FT from 60-0 in the cobalt. Not what I would call easily matching...but pretty impressive for a 3800 lb car none the less.
Thanks for the info.
124ft 60-0 for the GTO and 114FT from 60-0 in the cobalt. Not what I would call easily matching...but pretty impressive for a 3800 lb car none the less.
Thanks for the info.
you seen shitty drivers
stock for stock, driver for driver
the LS1 and LS2 GTO will defeat an SS/SC Cobalt every time
Last edited by PhantomGoat06; Jun 6, 2007 at 11:32 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost



