I know it's traditional to race from a dig. It tests the skills of the driver, and determines who is a better driver..But does it really show the true capabilities of the CAR (acceleration wise)? I say this, cuz I hear about guys in other forums say how they're not impressed with the SS, how it's slow for having a blower, etc. I know our cars are hard to race from a dig, and somtimes wimpy ass cars will beat us. That makes our reputaion bad. I raced a mustang GT last night, and he got me good from a dig (bad wheel hop). After the race, his buddies thought he was the shit. So down the road, I caught him again, this time on a 45mph roll. I walked him that time. The guy wouldn't look at me after that.
I just think dig racing isn't showing the true speed of our cars. Most tuners are seeing us only run 15's...Most I've talked to say they've NEVER seen one even break 14's..Even some Focus guys make fun of them..pretty sad. But I'm mad, cuz I know our cars can take most these guys that talk shit. The way i see it:

Dig racing: skills of driver
roll racing: power of car itself

So what's wrong with either one?

I find it pretty hard to get a really good launch in our cars but I have been practicing and my launch seems to be getting better and better. Having fwd car we are at the shit end of the stick when it comes to a dig AWD > RWD > FWD (in general). ppl will always talk shit about other car, as for the ford fuckus guys :lol: i don't even need to say anything.

get the wepon R torque brace it should help the wheel hop, but the only way to cure it would be moter mounts

yeah i have the same problem in my SAAB. I put urathene motor mounts on and they didnt really help. never tried the weapon r thing, so who knows. One thing i learned to do was to let the wheels spin slighty and then gradually open the throttle. With better tires this probably wouldnt work, but it adds some show. and mines turbo so it will probably work better for me than your S/c

The point is, what's wrong with roll racing? Still shows capability of car

Nothing is wrong with it. 90% of my street races are from a roll because it's just more convenient and draws less attention. It's also where our cars shine so I don't mind it at all. Either way, I'm up for both and see no problem with each type of racing.

They do just what phxSS said: One shows the drivers skill, the other shows the cars ability. So they each serve a purpose.

roll racing to me only proves which car has better passing speed. i don't agree with roll racing mainly because if you are roll racing more than likely you are street racing. racing from a dig is a true test of not just car performance but also of driver skill. yes, it can be difficult for some drivers to race from a dig and get that perfect launch, but that is what practice is for. once you master your launch for your car you will be a force to be reconed w/.

dig racing shows skill... unless your racing someone with AWD. It gets a great launch, and it's so easy any fool can do it. The worst they could do is stall it.

dig racing doesnt show car's ability? :confused:

it sure does! it shows the low end torque curve, and how fast it can get to top speed.

anyone can mash the gas @20mph + and win.

driver skill + starting form a dig = poetry in motion. In other words, teamwork between the car and the driver.

any "sanctioned" drag races start from a roll? I cant think of any.

Racing from a dig makes the drivers talent shine period . How hard is it from a roll to just shift the car 1-2 , 2-3 or whatever ? When Im on my game , from a dig on the street , I can absolutely nail launching my car with no wheel spin at all and just motor away . That takes releasing the clutch at just the right time with and easing the throttle without easing so much you bog the car , or giving it to much and causing massive wheelhop . I nail a perfect launch 1 outa 4 times . From a 20 mph roll in 1 st gear , I can repeat the same scenario every single time without fail . The car just takes off liek a bat outa hell and power shift away . The only mistake to make is bangin the rev limiter on the incredibly short 1-2 shift .

Conclusion

Dig - driver talent

Roll - car

Its all fun so who cares. I think racing from a roll is just a different form of racing.

dig racing shows skill... unless your racing someone with AWD. It gets a great launch, and it's so easy any fool can do it. The worst they could do is stall it.

Have you ever launched a AWD car??? It freaking hurts your neck. :( Not easy at all.

ForcedGMinduction, what kind of SAAB do you have??? The 9-2X? I almost got one of those instead of my STI.

Sorry for the sidebust...to make up for it roll racing = the lame.

i don't mean to be a dick, but i just think roll racing is for pussy's that can't drive their car. my Ralliart is bone stock, and here on guam, i've yet to lose to any Spec-V. i even raced one with a lot of bolt-ons, everyone told me i'd lose, and i just plain out smoked this guy, try 4 car length lead going into 3rd. anyways, racing from a roll is fun, i've done it plenty. but when someone approaches me and says, "hey you wanna run." and i say yes, i always immediately say, "we'll go from a stop light." or "(so and so) will flag us." i never say, "from what mph would you like your car to whoop my cars ass sir?" because i know that a spec-v has like 15 more whp and wtq than my car. but i have the advantage if we go from a dig, and that's because that's a real drag race and i know how to drive. i don't think i've ever heard anyone at the drag strip say, "hey you wanna run from like a 20 roll or 40?" i think i'd laugh my ass off if i did. in fact, next time i go to the drag strip, i'll ask someone that and see what they say. i'll let you guys know.

now i've noticed a lot on your forum that a lot of you love to go from a roll. but in my opinion, you guys seriously need to learn how to drive if you hate going from a dig that much. no wonder all other car enthusiasts hate you guys and your cars. MOST, not all, of you are just plain wimps. reality check man!!!!!!! i like your cars, the n/a ss coupe and sedan, the s/c ss, even the 2.2ltr! but you guys need to quit whining about roll racing and shit. it's getting old and that's always been how you drag race. if you lose to an underpowered car in your s/c ss, then either learn to drive better, or mod your car so you can beat them.

sorry guys, end of my rant. i'm just sick of all this whining about roll racing.

brad

dig racing doesnt show car's ability? :confused:

it sure does! it shows the low end torque curve, and how fast it can get to top speed.

anyone can mash the gas @20mph + and win.

driver skill + starting form a dig = poetry in motion. In other words, teamwork between the car and the driver.

any "sanctioned" drag races start from a roll? I cant think of any.

I don't agree with your statement that "anyone can mash the gas at 20mph and win"..So if I have a base model, 1991 civic, i could hang with an SRT-4, if I just hit the gas and go? No! That's my point. Our cars are quick, but becuase of their difficulty in launching, we have a bad rep on the streets and track. But if you race from a roll, you get props for winning. Roll racing, like I said, shows the actual power of the car. That's why i see nothing wrong with it.

Have you ever launched a AWD car??? It freaking hurts your neck. :( Not easy at all.

ForcedGMinduction, what kind of SAAB do you have??? The 9-2X? I almost got one of those instead of my STI.

Sorry for the sidebust...to make up for it roll racing = the lame.


Of course you hate roll racing..you have an AWD car :rolleyes:

i don't mean to be a dick, but i just think roll racing is for pussy's that can't drive their car. my Ralliart is bone stock, and here on guam, i've yet to lose to any Spec-V. i even raced one with a lot of bolt-ons, everyone told me i'd lose, and i just plain out smoked this guy, try 4 car length lead going into 3rd. anyways, racing from a roll is fun, i've done it plenty. but when someone approaches me and says, "hey you wanna run." and i say yes, i always immediately say, "we'll go from a stop light." or "(so and so) will flag us." i never say, "from what mph would you like your car to whoop my cars ass sir?" because i know that a spec-v has like 15 more whp and wtq than my car. but i have the advantage if we go from a dig, and that's because that's a real drag race and i know how to drive. i don't think i've ever heard anyone at the drag strip say, "hey you wanna run from like a 20 roll or 40?" i think i'd laugh my ass off if i did. in fact, next time i go to the drag strip, i'll ask someone that and see what they say. i'll let you guys know.

now i've noticed a lot on your forum that a lot of you love to go from a roll. but in my opinion, you guys seriously need to learn how to drive if you hate going from a dig that much. no wonder all other car enthusiasts hate you guys and your cars. MOST, not all, of you are just plain wimps. reality check man!!!!!!! i like your cars, the n/a ss coupe and sedan, the s/c ss, even the 2.2ltr! but you guys need to quit whining about roll racing and shit. it's getting old and that's always been how you drag race. if you lose to an underpowered car in your s/c ss, then either learn to drive better, or mod your car so you can beat them.

sorry guys, end of my rant. i'm just sick of all this whining about roll racing.

brad


That's what I'm trying to say!! Our cars have a bad rep, not becuase of the drivers, but becuase PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THE 2.0L SS IN ONLY CAPABLE OF 15'S!! I'm just saying that if you roll race someone, they will clerarly see that the car is capable of much faster than a 15.4.......You admited, that a Spec-V has more power than you, right? So the CAR is superior to yours!! No denying that. BUT, since you are a good driver, you can beat one. Do you think Spec V's are slow, or do you think the owner's don't drive them well?
See, you know it's a better car than yours, and that's my point. PEOPLE DON'T THINK THE SS IS A FAST OR POWERFUL CAR.

Of course you hate roll racing..you have an AWD car :rolleyes:
i hate roll racing and i drive a FWD car. http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2600/dntknw1dg.gif (http://imageshack.us)

grrrrrr..everyone has misunderstood my thread!!

grrrrrr..everyone has misunderstood my thread!!
What did you expect :lol:

This has been a hot issue on the fourm for a while.

I'm not trying to imply that roll racing is better than dig racing..read the thread more carefully!!!

racing from a roll , or anything that does not give you a time slip of some kind

IS COMPLETELY USELESS

think about it this way , since alot of people here NEED to have dyno #s of some kind for any mods

same goes for any type of acceleration , no # menas nothing , having some kinda #'s helps

not to mention racing from a light of some kind for the start makes it a little more even , than some guy hitting the horn 3 times , cause the guy hitting the horn can hit the gas pedal alot faster cause he knows when he hits it the 3rd time to go

roll racing- cars performance from a speed not much to do with the driver

dig racing- show more of drivers skill in a straight line if cars are equal. has some to do with cars power but more driver

course racing- mainly driver skill overall you need to know how to take turns but also how to get on it in the straight aways. more to do with the car overall as well tires, suspension, brakes, engine, etc...

Of course you hate roll racing..you have an AWD car :rolleyes:

And a RWD car, both of which are faster then every cobalt on here from a roll and dig. Roll racing is just a poor excuse for not being able to drive or the car being crap. You keep saying roll racing is a better example of the car, IT IS NOT. It is just a better example of the engine and gearing. A real drag race will show what a car can do. Since your cars hook like they are in carwashes fix them so they can put all that underrated power to the ground or buy a better car. Do not complain about something you can fix. This isn't all directed at you phxSS, but to the whole community (mainly FWD cars). ;)

THANK YOU WASEY!!! you said it better than me and with less words. i applaud you. have a beer man!!!!

What a bunch of cry babies.

A race is a race from a roll or a dig, both are fun and both showcase car and driver. I am up for racing either way. With the recent craze in tuner type cars (real or rice) roll racing is becoming popular. Most roll races are unplaned and you have no idea who the other driver is, racing from a dig is usually planned. In my Camaro SS or Cobalt SS there isn't a long drive that passes without someone else pacing me giving the occasional rev just waiting for me to oblige.

Basically both are races in my opinion but everyone is intitled to there opinion I guess.

Who wants to Roll race:
- 03-04 Cobras The IRS on these cars makes the high HP take off even harder
- SRT-4's These high schoolers don't know what a dig is
- People who don't want to break anything with a hard launch

Who wants to race from a Dig:
- Guys with AWD Because they know what happens from a roll
- Anyone with Drag Radials Especially when the other car has street tires

I myself am happy to do either, It all just depends on what car I am and what car they are in. Most people who want to race my Cobalt SS don't have a chance or more than 150HP. People who pick on my Camaro SS are usually in Mustangs or the occasional real tuner.

Who wants to Roll race:
- SRT-4's These high schoolers don't know what a dig is


Always crying about the SRT-4 owners, some things never change...

Roll racing generally showcases poor driving skills. The other thing is most "tuner" cars have such lousy low end that taking off from a dig makes them slow. This is why roll racing is becoming more popular IMO. There are so many variables at play with roll racing that, other than just for plain fun, it's useless.

I'll agree it's easier on the car, but the true test is from a stop. You don't see any NHRA roll racing events do you?

roll racing is for ricers


J/K!! :D haha... i've done it some, no big deal.. but, i know how fast my car is.. altho i wouldnt mind getting into a race with one of ur cars to see what it's got

What a bunch of cry babies.

A race is a race from a roll or a dig, both are fun and both showcase car and driver. I am up for racing either way. With the recent craze in tuner type cars (real or rice) roll racing is becoming popular. Most roll races are unplaned and you have no idea who the other driver is, racing from a dig is usually planned. In my Camaro SS or Cobalt SS there isn't a long drive that passes without someone else pacing me giving the occasional rev just waiting for me to oblige.

Basically both are races in my opinion but everyone is intitled to there opinion I guess.

Who wants to Roll race:
- 03-04 Cobras The IRS on these cars makes the high HP take off even harder
- SRT-4's These high schoolers don't know what a dig is
- People who don't want to break anything with a hard launch

Who wants to race from a Dig:
- Guys with AWD Because they know what happens from a roll
- Anyone with Drag Radials Especially when the other car has street tires

I myself am happy to do either, It all just depends on what car I am and what car they are in. Most people who want to race my Cobalt SS don't have a chance or more than 150HP. People who pick on my Camaro SS are usually in Mustangs or the occasional real tuner.

Wrong about the cobra.. IRS = crappy launch.. why do u think they swap out their "badass IRS" or the standard GT or mach solid rear?.. better traction, less stuff to break.. IRS is total crap for racing from a dig....

With that said, i'm not trying to bash you.. I do respect your opinions on the subject. They're opinions, everyone's entitled to have them :)

Umm jason he implied that Cobras want to race from a roll because of their crappy IRS rears. Isnt that what youre trying to say also?

ohhh.. sorry:D.. i was thinking he meant they took off harder, as in "better launch".. my bad haha

Who wants to Roll race:
-people afraid to break their econo box
-people w/ no launching skills
-TF&TF followers that street race instead of going to the track where it matters.

Who wants to race from a Dig:
-car enthusiasts that care about their safety and the safety of others by going to the track.
-guys/girls that laugh at the stupid ricer that is revving at them on the highway.
-people w/ launching skills cuz practice makes perfect.

Who wants to race from a Dig:
-car enthusiasts that care about their safety and the safety of others by going to the track.
Umm I dont know what youve seen, but for the past ohhhh 50 years street racing has been raced by serious guys with serious cars from a dig. Wait, street racing from a dig (i dont even think roll racing was thought up back then) started the sport we know as drag racing didnt it :o I know I've seen my share of videos of guys with sub 10 second back halved Nova's, Malibus, Camaros, ect racing at a popular street racing spot, so popular that theres even rubber laid down as well as VHT in some cases.
Roll racing has its pros as well as cons. Its easier to race someone from a roll since you can go to any highway with little traffic and take somebody on and get to a higher speed. But I guess anyone laughing at roll racing can go laugh at guys with 500+hp Z06's racing Vipers on the expressway :bow: :lol:

i understand that a roll race is fun. hell i admit to roll racing. it's fun. but a planned roll race is just stupid. if you challenge someone, then race them from a dig where it counts.

"Who wants to race from a Dig:
- Guys with AWD Because they know what happens from a roll"

everyone knows that awd owns the streets. don't be jealous cause you can't drive/launch well enough to beat an awd car. last but not least, i've seen plenty of awd cars win from a roll as well! when i'm in my tsi and people ask me if i want to race, of course i'll say sure. but when they ask what mph do i want to go from, i laugh and say, "a dig". then they are like your awd will kill me. i'm like not if you know what you're doing. sometimes i've went home and got the bone stock ralliart just to beat them in that.

by the way, this thread is causing a lot of heat on this forum. a very hot topic. i like it.

Right now, roll racing seems to be the only way to show people the SS is a powerful car (for its class). Cuz most track times, aren't doing so well. The "word on the street" is that the SS is a 15 second car. It has this rep cuz of racing froma dig.

Right now, roll racing seems to be the only way to show people the SS is a powerful car (for its class). Cuz most track times, aren't doing so well. The "word on the street" is that the SS is a 15 second car. It has this rep cuz of racing froma dig.
so you think racing from a roll is going to get you respect? time slips speak highly not war stories.

Who wants to Roll race:
-people afraid to break their econo box
-people w/ no launching skills
-TF&TF followers that street race instead of going to the track where it matters.

Who wants to race from a Dig:
-car enthusiasts that care about their safety and the safety of others by going to the track.
-guys/girls that laugh at the stupid ricer that is revving at them on the highway.
-people w/ launching skills cuz practice makes perfect.


Couldn't have said it better myself!!! Finally somebody in the import crowd that says it!! NOt bashing imports, there's some damn fast ones and i give them respect (its just that most around here act like roll racing is the only way to go)

i understand that a roll race is fun. hell i admit to roll racing. it's fun. but a planned roll race is just stupid. if you challenge someone, then race them from a dig where it counts.
Yeah, I guess you could tell these guys that :lol: :lol: :lol:
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well my too cents on the matter is roll racing is fun but you can't really count it. I learned to launch my car and dig racing was fun, till i dumbed out two weeks a go for a split second cought some wheel hop and blew out my lower motor mount. Cause of the bad motor mount its left me crippled to just rolls till i get it fixed. But not even 1st gear rolls, still hops to shit. Gotta be in second gear at a minimum.

everyone knows that awd owns the streets. don't be jealous cause you can't drive/launch well enough to beat an awd car. last but not least, i've seen plenty of awd cars win from a roll as well! when i'm in my tsi and people ask me if i want to race, of course i'll say sure. but when they ask what mph do i want to go from, i laugh and say, "a dig". then they are like your awd will kill me. i'm like not if you know what you're doing. sometimes i've went home and got the bone stock ralliart just to beat them in that.

by the way, this thread is causing a lot of heat on this forum. a very hot topic. i like it.

It's a funny thing. People say that only those who can't drive or 'launch' race from a roll, yet awd takes pretty much no skill at all...rev..release clutch as rolling into gas and go. I think the awd boys just don't like the disadvantage they have from a roll.

As far as awd owning the streets. Check the 60's on the rwd cars with legal DR's.

but I will say,,,affirmative action + drag race = roll racing.

It's a funny thing. People say that only those who can't drive or 'launch' race from a roll, yet awd takes pretty much no skill at all...rev..release clutch as rolling into gas and go. I think the awd boys just don't like the disadvantage they have from a roll.

As far as awd owning the streets. Check the 60's on the rwd cars with legal DR's.

but I will say,,,affirmative action + drag race = roll racing.

how many AWD cars have you driven?

how many AWD cars have you driven?

2 if you must know, an old talon and a friends STi (05).

2 if you must know, an old talon and a friends STi (05).

And you could pull a 1.7-8 60' everytime in the STi? It's pretty easy to bog these things.

Right now, roll racing seems to be the only way to show people the SS is a powerful car (for its class). Cuz most track times, aren't doing so well. The "word on the street" is that the SS is a 15 second car. It has this rep cuz of racing froma dig.

i know all about bad rep. my car hardly has any rep. most people think they are racing an evo. lol. it's halarious. but i think it's ok. cause when they get beat and they're like, "what the, did i just get beat by a lancer?" i'm like yep. you sure did. and it WAS NOT an evo.

It's a funny thing. People say that only those who can't drive or 'launch' race from a roll, yet awd takes pretty much no skill at all...rev..release clutch as rolling into gas and go. I think the awd boys just don't like the disadvantage they have from a roll.

As far as awd owning the streets. Check the 60's on the rwd cars with legal DR's.

but I will say,,,affirmative action + drag race = roll racing


there is more to it than just reving up and dumping. we do lose traction if that happens just like any other car there genious!!!!! i'm sure you know way more about launching an awd car tho. you've driven 2 of them!!!!!! :twothumbs

I think the whole idea of roll racing became popular for two reasons:


When stock all wheel drive cars started beating up on just about everything on the south side of 400 hp.

When people with very light cars, and tons of horsepower realized that they couldn't win dig races due to traction issues.


All that aside it's going to be a matter of personal prefrence, guys with good dig cars are going to love dig racing, guys with highway monsters are going to love the roll. Bottom line is, you can't roll race legally, so every time you do it, your taking your life and the life of others in your hands. Because of logistics, roll racing will probably never become a "local track" event, and therefore its legitimacy will forever be questioned.

The point is, what's wrong with roll racing? Still shows capability of car

Magazine articles and dyno slips show the capabilities of a car, racing is for exhibiting personal driving skills. Furthermore, who cares what people on the “street” think about your car, people are either going to love it or hate it, kicking their rear ends isn’t going to change their minds.

I don't see anything wrong with either forms of racing, the awd guys obviously wanna go from a dig cause they have a huge advantage and we the fwd guys wanna go from a roll cause we then have the adnvantage. I honestly see more roll races now a days since it's less heat.

either way works for me i dont have a favorite but i do like racing at the track becasue i learn more about the car with the numbers i get after each race

i know all about bad rep. my car hardly has any rep. most people think they are racing an evo. lol. it's halarious. but i think it's ok. cause when they get beat and they're like, "what the, did i just get beat by a lancer?" i'm like yep. you sure did. and it WAS NOT an evo.



there is more to it than just reving up and dumping. we do lose traction if that happens just like any other car there genious!!!!! i'm sure you know way more about launching an awd car tho. you've driven 2 of them!!!!!! :twothumbs

I didn't say I knew alot about launching them. I do know that there isn't much to worry about when launching, which is my point. You guys are trying to say people who race from a roll don't have the skills to go from a stop, when really awd doesn't require much skill(attention) to launch either, compared to other drivetrains

yay! roll racing and dig racing are fun!!!! yay! :cssNET:

Well since my other post was closed...

Pro's and cons. I saw earlier in a locked thread that someone doesnt understand where roll racing is from and slammed it as not a real form of racing. Thats fine everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I want to put mine down for the record and see what everyone else thinks.


I think roll racing goes hand in hand with street racing. If there was no such thing as street racing I dont think you would have even heard of a roll race. The reason roll racing has become so popular is because of how easy it is to compete. Your driving down the road you pull up next to a car you want to run you get their attention beep 3 times and go. Doest get much easier then that.

Its always fun to pull up next to a guy at a light and to just take off when it turns green, but with todays highways and traffic, and lack of 1/4 mile tracks within reasonable distances, this isnt always an option, which again leads to roll races.

I also think this was and is a beneficial form of race for FWD cars. We all know RWD and AWD cars have an advantage from a dig. We all know a cobalt SS wont touch an STI, EVO, or most RWD cars from a dig. FWD cars just usually need alot of work to compete in the launch department, and even then its almost not worth it when going against an AWD monster.

AWD is great, I wish the cobalt SS had it, but it doesnt. Niether does a celica, civic si, many VW, etc. Its great to know an AWD car is great from a launch and we all know thats where they are going to dominate at... Lets get them out of their natural habitat and try a roll race. IF NOTHING ELSE its interesting to see a monster AWD car get beat or atleast get hanged with from a roll. It just goes and shows that the only advantage the said car has is its AWD. Is the AWD car faster in the 1/4 YES, 0-60 YES. But its still gives you a happy feeling to pull one from a roll.

True racing is from a dig, fun spur of the moment races on the street seem to be from a roll. A roll race atleast shows which car has more pulling power from the said speed. It elminates the launch all together which often times can be error by one driver and not the other.
anyway those are my 25 cents.

Roll racing puts the cars and drivers on a level (equal) playing field IMO. Especially for us because the SS S/C is difficult to launch well. I generally roll race but have never turned down a dig.

If you wanna talking about true racing get on a real track. This straight line stuff isn't true racing to me. I totally respect what ppl can do at a drag strip but when there’s no turns it's not "true" racing. How to negotiate turns throttle in and out of bends and when you learn how to throw your car into a turn is better than straight line speed. This is why I enjoy weaving through traffic and purposely try to find windy roads.

Roll racing puts the cars and drivers on a level (equal) playing field IMO. Especially for us because the SS S/C is difficult to launch well. I generally roll race but have never turned down a dig.

If you wanna talking about true racing get on a real track. This straight line stuff isn't true racing to me. I totally respect what ppl can do at a drag strip but when there’s no turns it's not "true" racing. How to negotiate turns throttle in and out of bends and when you learn how to throw your car into a turn is better than straight line speed. This is why I enjoy weaving through traffic and purposely try to find windy roads.
oh wow, you enjoy weaving through traffic?! :lol: way to put other peoples lifes in danger. :nono:

racing is racing doesn't matter where it starts. Taking it to the strip is a true-test. Its a test to see what you have, do you give it too much throttle, do you miss your shift, hell..pick any number of things. A road course has its advantages too. Basically, its your trust in your car and how you use it. You can be out-matched by another car that has more hp/torque and you can still drive around them on a course with a well handling car. Racing from a roll is just that, going from a roll. This is IMO a test of the car and its ability. If you get beat by another car equally equipped, its your fault.
With all the debating aside, racing depends on the driver ;)
go bracket racing at a strip....;) thats a true race.

oh wow, you enjoy weaving through traffic?! :lol: way to put other peoples lifes in danger. :nono:

dude I knew I'd find you here, im not trying to start anything and I have been nice to you lately. Im fully aware of how you feel about street racing etc so i don't need to hear it. Everytime anyone gets into a car they put their and other peoples lives at risk. If you wanna argue im down just PM me.

my buddy has an 86 trueno that only has around 140 hp that destroys STi's and evo's in circuit tracks. does that mean he has a faster car overall? no, it just means his suspension/driving skills is far better than you can imagine. we are talking about speed here so a drag strip is the best way to measure that. once you want to accomplish more out of your technique then you go to circuit tracks and try that.

my buddy has an 86 trueno that only has around 140 hp that destroys STi's and evo's in circuit tracks. does that mean he has a faster car overall? no, it just means his suspension/driving skills is far better than you can imagine. we are talking about speed here so a drag strip is the best way to measure that. once you want to accomplish more out of your technique then you go to circuit tracks and try that.

your very ignorant to anything but your own point of view....


With that aside its nice to see these other opinion on street racing. I agree roll racing does have the potential to put you on an = playing ground mainly because all a Dig tells you is who got the better launch. I think a roll lets you see CAR vs CAR more and not as much driver vs driver. theres still some driver skill in a roll race but not much.

You can be killed by a straw, and as another post has mentioned street racing only accounts for like 0.02 percent of accidents on US roadways. YOu can die in an accident driving the speed limit, you can die in an accident street racing, I dont think there is any more probability either which way, its all on unpredictablility.

If you do it safe, and make sure no heavy traffic or residential roads, i say its all good.

Oh and as far as your buddy, your right. now let him run those same cars in a roll race and a 1/4 mile race and lets see what happens. Ultimately you gain a bigger picture of which car is faster where and why. in his case its all driver and suspension, in an STI's its mostly the AWD, etc. Helps you build a better picture of the car IMO.

your very ignorant to anything but your own point of view....


With that aside its nice to see these other opinion on street racing. I agree roll racing does have the potential to put you on an = playing ground mainly because all a Dig tells you is who got the better launch. I think a roll lets you see CAR vs CAR and not driver vs driver. theres still some driver skill in a roll race but not much.

You can be killed by a straw, and as another post has mentioned street racing only accounts for like 0.02 percent of accidents on US roadways. YOu can die in an accident driving the speed limit, you can die in an accident street racing, I dont think there is any more probability either which way, its all on unpredictablility.

If you do it safe, and make sure no heavy traffic or residential roads, i say its all good.
so are you trying to say that street racing on the highway doesn't increase the chances of getting in an accident in the highway? yes i am aware that the roads are dangerous but people that street race only increase those chances more so.

Oh and as far as your buddy, your right. now let him run those same cars in a roll race and a 1/4 mile race and lets see what happens. Ultimately you gain a bigger picture of which car is faster where and why. in his case its all driver and suspension, in an STI's its mostly the AWD, etc. Helps you build a better picture of the car IMO.
did you read my post? i said, does that mean he has a faster car? then i said no, it just means his suspension/driving skills is better. if he was to take his car to the track he would get humiliated. he and i are fully aware of that. i was responding to p7's post that a true cars speed is on a twistie road and such.

so are you trying to say that street racing on the highway doesn't increase the chances of getting in an accident in the highway? yes i am aware that the roads are dangerous but people that street race only increase those chances more so.

It all depends. Personally I dont think street races increases the chance of accidents. I think it would increase the potential for mortality and death, but not the % of accidents.


ALL accidents are caused by bad judgement, bad decision, lack of attention. (aka stupid people)

Whether your street racing or driving normal theres always the oppertunity for someone either you the driver of your car or the other person to make one of hte mistakes above and cause an auto accident.

If you are very good at decision making, judgement, paying attention, reaction time I think you can actually street race and create less of a potential for an accident.

Street racing in bumper to bumper traffic, hitting the shoulder to pass a car, reving by an old lady, hitting the opposite lane, going over 120 mph, etc. these are all examples of bad decisions, judgement.

If you are driving at 12 midnight and there is nothing on the road but you and that riced out integra all strait away 2 lane highway or better and you floor it and go from what ever to 100 mph with no traffic, I dont see how that causes an accident. Theres always pure randomness and an ACT OF GOD type scenerio but as I said if you do it right an do it safe, you dont have anything to worry about. (but the po po's)

did you read my post? i said, does that mean he has a faster car? then i said no, it just means his suspension/driving skills is better. if he was to take his car to the track he would get humiliated. he and i are fully aware of that. i was responding to p7's post that a true cars speed is on a twistie road and such.

thats fine, then I backed up what you said, I must have read it wrong.

you two...DC52NV and Xenozx need to take a serious break from this forum if all you can do is post shit about the other. A 'mod' should have enough sense to walk away from making foolish posts. I suggest you both click the X and come back later.

It all depends. Personally I dont think street races increases the chance of accidents. I think it would increase the potential for mortality and death, but not the % of accidents.


ALL accidents are caused by bad judgement, bad decision, lack of attention. (aka stupid people)

Whether your street racing or driving normal theres always the oppertunity for someone either you the driver of your car or the other person to make one of hte mistakes above and cause an auto accident.

If you are very good at decision making, judgement, paying attention, reaction time I think you can actually street race and create less of a potential for an accident.

Street racing in bumper to bumper traffic, hitting the shoulder to pass a car, reving by an old lady, hitting the opposite lane, going over 120 mph, etc. these are all examples of bad decisions, judgement.

If you are driving at 12 midnight and there is nothing on the road but you and that riced out integra all strait away 2 lane highway or better and you floor it and go from what ever to 100 mph with no traffic, I dont see how that causes an accident. Theres always pure randomness and an ACT OF GOD type scenerio but as I said if you do it right an do it safe, you dont have anything to worry about. (but the po po's)
yes i agree that people with bad judgement are most likely to kill someone. i simply responded to the post that p7 posted about him liking weaving in and out of traffic.

you two...DC52NV and Xenozx need to take a serious break from this forum if all you can do is post shit about the other. A 'mod' should have enough sense to walk away from making foolish posts. I suggest you both click the X and come back later.

Forums are for discussions. dont know if you have ever been in a debate in class, but wars have been started, and people have been killed in and over debates. He and I decide to debate something in a forum with all words I say leave it at that. thats probably the best way to handle it. Just because hes a mod doesnt mean he cant participate in discussions he finds that peak his interest/curiosity.

Not everyone in this world will see everything everyone elses sees exactly the same, its called being human, deal with it.

Anyway I hold no hostilities to anyone on this forum, its a war of the words, you just say things to get the other party off their rockers its fun you should try it :D

its called playing devils advocate :!

thats fine, then I backed up what you said, I must have read it wrong.
well at least we agree on something. :cssNET:

Forums are for discussions. dont know if you have ever been in a debate in class, but wars have been started, and people have been killed in and over debates. He and I decide to debate something in a forum with all words I say leave it at that. thats probably the best way to handle it.

Not everyone in this world will see everything everyone elses sees exactly the same, its called being human, deal with it.

Anyway I hold no hostilities to anyone on this forum, its a war of the words, you just say things to get the other party off their rockers its fun you should try it :D

its called playing devils advocate :!
i agree. all we are having is a friendly debate. it's not like we are going at each others throats here. just because i'm a mod doesn't mean i can't defend my morals and values. i think you need to chill yourself Doc cuz me being a mod shouldn't let me debate w/ another member. :)

i agree. all we are having is a friendly debate. it's not like we are going at each others throats here. just because i'm a mod doesn't mean i can't defend my morals and values. i think you need to chill yourself Doc cuz me being a mod shouldn't let me debate w/ another member. :)

Damn you! Its hard playing devils advocate when you agree with me!

Roll racing is lame cause one guy could have just shifted, while the other is just getting ready to shift. Starting from a dead stop is the only way to make sure it is an equal race.

Roll racing is lame cause one guy could have just shifted, while the other is just getting ready to shift. Starting from a dead stop is the only way to make sure it is an equal race.

but based of your comments the one dude could launch first and get less wheel hop, so you theory is incorrect.

User error can happen in both scenerio's, less from a roll.

debate away...;)

Roll racing 4 LIFE.........i don't like cops and don't like ppl who look like cops.:lol:

not really defending roll racing BUT it's simple, less that can go wrong. That's why is has become so popular. True skill would come from a dig ..........and than after the 1/4 mile you go around a track, like Car and driver's superfour challenge.

Roll racing 4 LIFE.........i don't like cops and don't like ppl who look like cops.:lol:

not really defending roll racing BUT it's simple, less that can go wrong. That's why is has become so popular. True skill would come from a dig ..........and than after the 1/4 mile you go around a track, like Car and driver's superfour challenge.

agreed. Its easier to just race from a roll on an empty road then stopping in the middle of a highway and going from a dig. Roll racing shows more car vs car then driver vs driver. If you want driver vs driver or proof how fast you are go to the track. its always fun to race here and there IMO if this wasnt the case why didnt we all save 5 g's and by a cobalt LT, and why spend money on a ZO6, or an STI when a 2.5 non turbo WRX is available....

Hell while IM on the subject I think car manufacturers are the ones who cause street racing etc in the first place. If they made fuel efficient cars, that took like 20 seconds to get to 60 MPH and where not sporty looking, you know that street racing would practically be non existant. Instead they advertise how fast their cars are, and have sporty commercials etc.

ALL accidents are caused by bad judgement, bad decision, lack of attention. (aka stupid people) I really hope you meant this jokingly. All accidents are caused by stupid people??? Orly? So when semi-trucks get blown over it's cause they are idiots or when someone's brakes fail they made a bad decision or or or when a tire blows they should have seen that lil nail in the road. Right?:lol:

agreed. Its easier to just race from a roll on an empty road then stopping in the middle of a highway and going from a dig. Roll racing shows more car vs car then driver vs driver. If you want driver vs driver or proof how fast you are go to the track. its always fun to race here and there IMO if this wasnt the case why didnt we all save 5 g's and by a cobalt LT, and why spend money on a ZO6, or an STI when a 2.5 non turbo WRX is available....

Hell while IM on the subject I think car manufacturers are the ones who cause street racing etc in the first place. If they made fuel efficient cars, that took like 20 seconds to get to 60 MPH and where not sporty looking, you know that street racing would practically be non existant. Instead they advertise how fast their cars are, and have sporty commercials etc.
More "street racing" accidents happen in roll races not from a dig. Think about it. Look at most reported "street racing" accidents and you will see that they happened in an excess of 100mph and usually it is between 2 cars that if they had went from a dig and only raced a quarter mile they would have been 5-15mph away from 100mph.

All WRXs have a turbo BTW.

Also street racing has been around before television was invented. Hell I bet people use to race there horse drawn carriages. I know old model As use to street race.

DIG>ROLL FTW!

I really hope you meant this jokingly. All accidents are caused by stupid people??? Orly? So when semi-trucks get blown over it's cause they are idiots or when someone's brakes fail they made a bad decision or or or when a tire blows they should have seen that lil nail in the road. Right?:lol:


More "street racing" accidents happen in roll races not from a dig. Think about it. Look at most reported "street racing" accidents and you will see that they happened in an excess of 100mph and usually it is between 2 cars that if they had went from a dig and only raced a quarter mile they would have been 5-15mph away from 100mph.

All WRXs have a turbo BTW.

Also street racing has been around before television was invented. Hell I bet people use to race there horse drawn carriages. I know old model As use to street race.

DIG>ROLL FTW!

No I wasnt joking. as I said theres always pure randomness and the ACT OF GOD scenerio's. Other then those its the people behind the wheel that cause the problem.

You have paperback facts for that observation? I ran the 1/4 mile at 101 MPH so your theory is flawed. I know I dont have the fastest car so many 1/4 "DIG" races can go 120+.

I used the WRX term instead of the "IMPREZZA" that I ment. It looks just like a WRX but with no turbo... I was using that to make a point that if people where not interested in speed, racing why would anyone spend the extra money for the extra power under the hood. regardless of the car its the same scenerio.

IM sure racing has been arround for a while, but the problem is the promoting of it via advertisments and commercials and the fact they build cars that can be street driven that look fast and are fast. If they got out of this habbit I think street racing would be much less of an issue then it is now. If every car on the road was acceloration limited, and had a top speed of 75 MPH and looked like a damn beetle imagine how much less street racing their would be?

Same thing was tried with public/private schools and having to wear school uniforms.

I'll agree with you Xenozx, in theory...all accidents are preventable.
Although, if the car were limited to 75 I am sure people would find a way to get there quicker than the next ;) Getting there quicker than the Jones' will always be an issue

Roll racing puts the cars and drivers on a level (equal) playing field IMO I don't think it does. If you want a level playing field race only a ff car. And AWD should only race AWD cars. FF cars have a disadvantage from dig and awd cars suck at a roll. I have a awd car and raced a ss cobalt with E/I/P last night. We went from roll (I won) and we went from a dig. I broke my tranny shifting into 4th. It was planned and he did pretty well from a dig "SwizzDSMSS". I'm saying be well rounded. Learn to launch good and you still can race from a roll.

I don't think it does. If you want a level playing field race only a ff car. And AWD should only race AWD cars. FF cars have a disadvantage from dig and awd cars suck at a roll. I have a awd car and raced a ss cobalt with E/I/P last night. We went from roll (I won) and we went from a dig. I broke my tranny shifting into 4th. It was planned and he did pretty well from a dig "SwizzDSMSS". I'm saying be well rounded. Learn to launch good and you still can race from a roll.

Thats putting the cars at even more of a level playing field if you only raced cars of the same drive wheels, that's getting a bit silly. When your going from a roll it's just shit simple. Drop a gear and go the only thing, besides the honks, to mess up is shifting. When going from a dig small mistakes can end in getting walked on by bus lengths.

Once again im not defending roll racing but racing from a roll is 90% of what I encounter.

Nothings ever gonna match up perfect. Its all fun factor. I jsut dont think its fair to even compare an AWD monster vs a FWD car from a dig. If you wanted to you could eat him alive, yes you may injure your car in the process or over the long term, but you could dominate him if you really wanted.

[QUOTE=Xenozx]but based of your comments the one dude could launch first and get less wheel hop, so you theory is incorrect.

User error can happen in both scenerio's, less from a roll.[/QUOT

you both launch at the same time....one guy getting better traction has nothing to do with when you both started. The Hemi under glass could beat me on it's back two wheels. We'd both start at the same time though, that's the only fair/real race.

[QUOTE=Xenozx]but based of your comments the one dude could launch first and get less wheel hop, so you theory is incorrect.

User error can happen in both scenerio's, less from a roll.[/QUOT

you both launch at the same time....one guy getting better traction has nothing to do with when you both started. The Hemi under glass could beat me on it's back two wheels. We'd both start at the same time though, that's the only fair/real race.

Reaction time. Even when you go to the track you both dont pull perfect RT's.... IM saying it may be possible to both take off at the same time, but in reality someone got the jumpoff on the other.

here's my opinion and I know it's heavily biased, but what do you expect?

roll racing is stupid,

dig racing is where it's at!

now I drive an Tsi AWD, what do you expect me to say?

No I wasnt joking. as I said theres always pure randomness and the ACT OF GOD scenerio's. Other then those its the people behind the wheel that cause the problem.

You have paperback facts for that observation? I ran the 1/4 mile at 101 MPH so your theory is flawed. I know I dont have the fastest car so many 1/4 "DIG" races can go 120+.

I used the WRX term instead of the "IMPREZZA" that I ment. It looks just like a WRX but with no turbo... I was using that to make a point that if people where not interested in speed, racing why would anyone spend the extra money for the extra power under the hood. regardless of the car its the same scenerio.

IM sure racing has been arround for a while, but the problem is the promoting of it via advertisments and commercials and the fact they build cars that can be street driven that look fast and are fast. If they got out of this habbit I think street racing would be much less of an issue then it is now. If every car on the road was acceloration limited, and had a top speed of 75 MPH and looked like a damn beetle imagine how much less street racing their would be?

Same thing was tried with public/private schools and having to wear school uniforms.
That was a dumb statement then. It's like saying all cars run off gasoline, except the ones that run off electricity or diesal or vegetable oil, oh and hydrogen. No duh! How can you say "ALL accidents happen from stupid people and then 4 or 5 paragraphs later say except for randomness and Acts of God." Makes no sense.

Why would you say WRX, if you meant Imprezza???:rolleyes: People raced Model A's did you not read that? They had a top speed of like 12-15mph. Street racing has nothing to do commercials or how a car is "portrayed". Also beetles are one ofthe best cars in the world to make go fast for less money.

I drive FWD (Cobalt SS/SC as in name) and altho our cars aren't that great from a dig, that doesn't give us the right to say "well, mine is still faster since that's only testing driver skills..".

Roll racing can be fun, but it completely ruins the race to a point. If you race from 45mph, then that's nearly half the race gone already.. There's just 2 different kinds of power in most cars: Down-low and straightline.. or Up-high and twisties.

Honestly, I think the cobalt would be a better car for road racing and doing "corner carving" than straightline. I'm not sure which setup GM had in mind, but it would make more sense.

That was a dumb statement then. It's like saying all cars run off gasoline, except the ones that run off electricity or diesal or vegetable oil, oh and hydrogen. No duh! How can you say "ALL accidents happen from stupid people and then 4 or 5 paragraphs later say except for randomness and Acts of God." Makes no sense.

Why would you say WRX, if you meant Imprezza???:rolleyes: People raced Model A's did you not read that? They had a top speed of like 12-15mph. Street racing has nothing to do commercials or how a car is "portrayed". Also beetles are one ofthe best cars in the world to make go fast for less money.

Dood, you obviously cant read. it doesnt matter... I was cleary just making a point that "Most" (probably 98%) of accidents are caused by the above. maybe I shouldnt have used "all" it may be too difinitive but you should have KNOWN what I meant.

again it doesnt matter.... whether it be a imprezza vs sti or a mazda speed protege vs a reg protege. I was just looking for the same car that had a SPORTY FAST version, and a non sporty fast version. I was just clearly stating that the manufacturers are creating "SPORTS" edditions of cars that are super fast, if we didnt want to go super fast why would we buy the sports version over the MUCH cheaper non sports version. its a waste of money unless you are looking to use that extra horse power... ( I spent 5000 extra on a cobalt SS actually probably more since I have all the options, so damn skippy I am going to get my moneys worth) if you read a little harder you will understand.

as far as the beetle again, if you would learn to read you would see where I was going with it. It doesnt matter what car it was, my opinion was if it doesnt look sporty and doesnt have 900 hp then people wont be so inclined to balls up and race to prove their car is faster cause everyone drives the same slow POS.

Dood, you obviously cant read. it doesnt matter... I was cleary just making a point that "Most" (probably 98%) of accidents are caused by the above. maybe I shouldnt have used "all" it may be too difinitive but you should have KNOWN what I meant.

again it doesnt matter.... whether it be a imprezza vs sti or a mazda speed protege vs a reg protege. I was just looking for the same car that had a SPORTY FAST version, and a non sporty fast version. I was just clearly stating that the manufacturers are creating "SPORTS" edditions of cars that are super fast, if we didnt want to go super fast why would we buy the sports version over the MUCH cheaper non sports version. its a waste of money unless you are looking to use that extra horse power... Read and you will understand.

as far as the beetle again, if you would learn to read you would see where I was going with it. It doesnt matter what car it was, my opinion was if it doesnt look sporty and doesnt have 900 hp then people wont be so inclined to balls up and race to prove their car is faster cause everyone drives the same slow POS.

All this back-pedaling, yet you make no comment on that people use to race 15mph model As??? Model As look sporty??? If you could/would put your "thoughts" into words better then you did then maybe I wouldn't call you on it. I know how to read, maybe you should learn to write.

Dude who cares! lay off him. He was making a generalization.
Anyways my Eclipse is faster then any Cobalt ss in the 1/4.:#one: Who wants to race from a dig?

rock on, DSM Powa!!!! lol.

Dude who cares! lay off him. He was making a generalization.
Anyways my Eclipse is faster then any Cobalt ss in the 1/4.:#one: Who wants to race from a dig?

Thank you atleast someone can read. did I got to school and get a masters degree in writing, no... Am I getting paid for writing this no...


So very minimal time is spent in my responses and proof reading. Apparently someone understood I was generalizing the situation, it didnt matter on the specifics, why cant you? your basicially nit picking something that didnt make a difference in the first place....

Dude who cares! lay off him. He was making a generalization.
Anyways my Eclipse is faster then any Cobalt ss in the 1/4.:#one: Who wants to race from a dig?

I do.

[QUOTE=traviskearney]

Reaction time. Even when you go to the track you both dont pull perfect RT's.... IM saying it may be possible to both take off at the same time, but in reality someone got the jumpoff on the other.

The light turned green at the same time, if one guy forgot to practice that's his problem. It is racing. Horses start galloping fractions of seconds apart, but all start when the gun sounds....Swimmers start fractions of seconds apart but all start when the whistle sounds. In a roll there is no equal starting point, like the gate, or the block, therefore lining up and having a tree, or stoplight, or hand drop is the only real way to have an even race.

And why the heck did this stupid thing *** out hemi under gl***. HEMI UNDER GL***SSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe that'll help.

3 honks man. if you dont go after the third honk thats on you.

3 honks man. if you dont go after the third honk thats on you.

3500 rpm vs 5300rpm = not an even starting point. 0rpm vs 0rpm = even.

Ok.. Who said there's no skill in launching an AWD car??? I've got an EVO which all of you know is AWD. It took me a lot of practice to get the launch right. I've been driving for 16 years and the way some of you describe the ease in this, I'm starting to think I should have been able to do it right out of the lot. On Evolutionm.net, guys are always asking about "what's the right way to launch" or "How do I do it". Trust me, it's not easy and does take a lot of practice. I'm sure some of you have seen many AWD cars bog down. This happens a lot.

As far as roll racing, that's where your car (Cobalt SS) shines, because there's no wheelspin. Plus, you can showcase all that under-rated power which is a good thing.

Roll racing is fun if it's done safely and NOT in traffic! I actually enjoy it now too. But I think the track is the best way to see the true "straight line" performance of your car including your driving ability.

Just my 2cents...

Mike

very well put!!!

I prefer racing from a dig, not because I'm AWD but mostly because it shows drivers skill (as stated a hundred times here). Racing from a roll falls back on money, I could take a Geo Metro and drop an LS7 in there if I had enough money. Would anyone beat me from a roll, I seriously doubt it. From the dig on the other hand I would need an extreme amount of driving skills since to keep from burning up the tires through 4th gear.

Neither roll racing or from a dig will show all of the cars performace. Example from a dig I can beat an M3 in the 1/8 mile. If I roll up to one on the highway I know I dont stand a chance in hell.

Launching an AWD car is usually tough and alot of the times scarey. If you launch to hard and end up droppin the clutch your going to have a transmission shaped trash can under the car. If you launch to softly then you are just wasting your time.

I will admit, the proper launch on an AWD car is like being rubber banded down the road, but if I'm racing a FWD (cept srt-4's) I wont severely launch it on the street. Just not worth it.....

Roll racing is an oxymoron. It's horseplay. It's dicking around on the highway. It's boring, there's no skill involved. It's what high schoolers do when they first learn how to drive and go out by themselves. Any car can launch properly with the right combo/equipment and an accomplished driver. If your car doesn't hook from a stop then try new tires, suspension work, driving techniques. Don't take it to the highway. There isn't an organized group that "roll races" so therefore it isn't real racing. There's no starting line there's no finish line. If you want high speed racing, then build land speed car, even they start from a stop. They start at 0mph and go wide open for 2 or 3miles then stop. That's racing. Start line finish line. Formula 1, Lemans, Trans Am, they all start from a stop. They do a warm up lap, come back and stop then start the race. Even World Rally they start from a stop and they're not even on pavement! Off Road Racing, from a stop. The only group that starts a race from a roll are NASCAR/Short Track. They have a start/finish line though, and even if who wants to emulate a bunch of rednecks driving in circles with junkyard engines?:nono: Not me. This ain't NASCAR no rolls allowed.

from a dig is definately more fun then this highway roll crap. But autox is where its at. Now thats fun and it shows all the cars abilities and all the drivers abilities. Gives you bragging rights and makes you a better driver. Its safe and definately fun. Really its a win win win to me. I try to keep the speed down on the streets if possible.

Roll racing is an oxymoron. It's horseplay. It's dicking around on the highway. It's boring, there's no skill involved. It's what high schoolers do when they first learn how to drive and go out by themselves. Any car can launch properly with the right combo/equipment and an accomplished driver. If your car doesn't hook from a stop then try new tires, suspension work, driving techniques. Don't take it to the highway. There isn't an organized group that "roll races" so therefore it isn't real racing. There's no starting line there's no finish line. If you want high speed racing, then build land speed car, even they start from a stop. They start at 0mph and go wide open for 2 or 3miles then stop. That's racing. Start line finish line. Formula 1, Lemans, Trans Am, they all start from a stop. They do a warm up lap, come back and stop then start the race. Even World Rally they start from a stop and they're not even on pavement! Off Road Racing, from a stop. The only group that starts a race from a roll are NASCAR/Short Track. They have a start/finish line though, and even if who wants to emulate a bunch of rednecks driving in circles with junkyard engines?:nono: Not me. This ain't NASCAR no rolls allowed.
Quoted for truth.:twothumbs I also put the most important thing said in bold.:lol:

what is said has some truth...a pity he doesn't know what an oxymoron is, and that his definition of racing requires a mass of people to do it.

It's funny that you drive a Camaro Z28 and used a redneck stereotype.

what is said has some truth...a pity he doesn't know what an oxymoron is, and that his definition of racing requires a mass of people to do it.

It's funny that you drive a Camaro Z28 and used a redneck stereotype.
Okay would "misnomer" be a word more to your liking?:rolleyes: And yes a mass/group of people is required to "race", you can't race against yourself now can you? I guess every redneck does go around driving LS1 F-bodies, so what the hell was I thinking when I bought one, being a black man and all. Please point out a redneck in a LS1 F-body, I mean I'm in Alabama right now and all I see is pickup trucks. Call me crazy, but how many Z28s do you see on CMT?
I take it you must "roll race".

Okay would "misnomer" be a word more to your liking?:rolleyes: And yes a mass/group of people is required to "race", you can't race against yourself now can you? I guess every redneck does go around driving LS1 F-bodies, so what the hell was I thinking when I bought one, being a black man and all. Please point out a redneck in a LS1 F-body, I mean I'm in Alabama right now and all I see is pickup trucks. Call me crazy, but how many Z28s do you see on CMT?
I take it you must "roll race".
Black F-body driver, now is that an oxymoron???:lol: j/k

Dude 90% of Cobalts race from a roll. So sad.

Black F-body driver, now is that an oxymoron???:lol: j/k

Dude 90% of Cobalts race from a roll. So sad.

I see more LS1's and 03 Cobras going from a roll than any other vehicle in Houston.

I see more LS1's and 03 Cobras going from a roll than any other vehicle in Houston.
For money?

For money?

Nah, I don't think I've ever seen someone roll race for money to be honest. LOL I sure as hell would never race for money though. Especially in a Cobalt.

Nah, I don't think I've ever seen someone roll race for money to be honest. LOL I sure as hell would never race for money though. Especially in a Cobalt.
:p::lol: So more in likely all these "roll racing" LS1s and Cobras are just playing around? Which is kinda cool because, they are actually fast cars.

Do you play poker?

:p::lol: So more in likely all these "roll racing" LS1s and Cobras are just playing around? Which is kinda cool because, they are actually fast cars.

Do you play poker?

well if you consider racing to see who is faster playing around then I suppose yes? I didn't think the thread had anything to do with racing for money...

Poker, I only play poker with hott women. And it involves the removal of clothing.

well if you consider racing to see who is faster playing around then I suppose yes? I didn't think the thread had anything to do with racing for money...

Poker, I only play poker with hott women. And it involves the removal of clothing.
Here, all the cars 13.0 and faster (except the SRT-4s) down to some 8 sec street legal cars race for money and always from a dig. Every once in awhile when they aren't on tire they will just mess around(no money) from a roll.

I brought up poker to see if you were a gamblin man. Which I kind of take the racing for money as, just another form of gambling, that I have more of an impact on the results of.
Strip poker always has the same results.;) Good times. Strip Gold Fish is fun too. :lol:

Learn how to launch ur car and stop cryin about it and it wont matter if you race someone from a roll or a dig

Here, all the cars 13.0 and faster (except the SRT-4s) down to some 8 sec street legal cars race for money and always from a dig. Every once in awhile when they aren't on tire they will just mess around(no money) from a roll.

I brought up poker to see if you were a gamblin man. Which I kind of take the racing for money as, just another form of gambling, that I have more of an impact on the results of.
Strip poker always has the same results.;) Good times. Strip Gold Fish is fun too. :lol:


Yeah, they have a those races here..but it's pretty sparatic because of the cops.

No doubt about racing and gambling, it's almost an art hearing some of those hardcore people negotiate lol.

Yeah, they have a those races here..but it's pretty sparatic because of the cops.

No doubt about racing and gambling, it's almost an art hearing some of those hardcore people negotiate lol.
You haven't taken your basic street racing shit talking 101 course yet?:lol: "Line that POS up, so I can break it off." It is hilarious.

My opinion.....roll racing is for pussies. Too much room for excuses etc.
You don't go watch an NHRA event and see John Force racing his nitro coupe from a roll down the track! Race from a dig.

Okay would "misnomer" be a word more to your liking?:rolleyes: And yes a mass/group of people is required to "race", you can't race against yourself now can you? I guess every redneck does go around driving LS1 F-bodies, so what the hell was I thinking when I bought one, being a black man and all. Please point out a redneck in a LS1 F-body, I mean I'm in Alabama right now and all I see is pickup trucks. Call me crazy, but how many Z28s do you see on CMT?
I take it you must "roll race".

It would still be ironic cause the using the word 'misnomer' would be a misnomer in this situation. A race is a competition of speed (2+ppl = regular race,,,yourself=timetrial), a 'roll race' just starts from a moving point/speed. I point it out because you tried discredit nascar from being a race since it didn't fit your standards. You're right all those others start from a stop, but...how many qualify using the first lap time (from when the were stopped :rolleyes: )

As for myself I'll race either way.

It would still be ironic cause the using the word 'misnomer' would be a misnomer in this situation. A race is a competition of speed (2+ppl = regular race,,,yourself=timetrial), a 'roll race' just starts from a moving point/speed. I point it out because you tried discredit nascar from being a race since it didn't fit your standards. You're right all those others start from a stop, but...how many qualify using the first lap time (from when the were stopped :rolleyes: )

As for myself I'll race either way.
Yea, whatever. I said NASCAR was the only racing organization that starts from a roll BUT THEY HAVE A START/FINISH LINE. How does that discredit it? I never stated it wasn't racing. Where's the start/finish line in a roll race? What does qualifying have to do with roll racing? Even in qualifying it's still from a stop, so what's your point? You can't arguably justify roll racing other than YOU CAN'T LAUNCH YOUR CAR FROM A STOP BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO PRACTICE, YOU CAN'T BEAT SOMEONE ONE WAY SO YOU MUST TRY ANOTHER. Roll racing means nothing any place outside of forums and blinding neon car shows/meets. Go anywhere other than those two places speaking of roll racing you will get laughed at.

Don't forget to turn your hat around backwards and put your left hand on top of the steering wheel before you start your "race". That's worth about 20hp you know, less drag. So do you modify your horn too, when you're setting your car up for roll racing? Oh and make sure you "jiggle the knob" too, make sure it's in neutral. "click, click, click,-Look MA, I'm tearing up my synchros!":thumbsdow

Yea, whatever. I said NASCAR was the only racing organization that starts from a roll BUT THEY HAVE A START/FINISH LINE. How does that discredit it? I never stated it wasn't racing. Where's the start/finish line in a roll race? What does qualifying have to do with roll racing? Even in qualifying it's still from a stop, so what's your point? You can't arguably justify roll racing other than YOU CAN'T LAUNCH YOUR CAR FROM A STOP BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO PRACTICE, YOU CAN'T BEAT SOMEONE ONE WAY SO YOU MUST TRY ANOTHER. Roll racing means nothing any place outside of forums and blinding neon car shows/meets. Go anywhere other than those two places speaking of roll racing you will get laughed at.

Don't forget to turn your hat around backwards and put your left hand on top of the steering wheel before you start your "race". That's worth about 20hp you know, less drag. So do you modify your horn too, when you're setting your car up for roll racing? Oh and make sure you "jiggle the knob" too, make sure it's in neutral. "click, click, click,-Look MA, I'm tearing up my synchros!":thumbsdow

Yea, whatever. I said NASCAR was the only racing organization that starts from a roll BUT THEY HAVE A START/FINISH LINE. How does that discredit it?


The only group that starts a race from a roll are NASCAR/Short Track. They have a start/finish line though, and even if who wants to emulate a bunch of rednecks driving in circles with junkyard engines?:nono: Not me. This ain't NASCAR no rolls allowed.

The last sentence, where you toss in a bash to make yourself look more right.

You can try w/ the lame personal attacks since you want to argue semantics of what your own personal definition is. Look around you can find a vid of everything from a civic to a z06 and ford gt's going from a 'roll' but they must really be computer generated since no1 but people on forums do it.

Is this codyss's black twin or what?

Anyone with a fat account can go out purchase a hot performance car, video camcorder then get their buddy to film it, and then put it on the net. I didn't say the races were fake. I said go anywhere else like a NMRA, FFW, OSCA, 10.5 Shootout, SCCA race talking about highway roll racing you will get clowned. NASCAR/short track racers, the racers that are hobbyists, not professionals, mainly use junkyard cores. Either way highway roll racing is pointless, and has zero legitimate backing.

Anyone with a fat account can go out purchase a hot performance car, video camcorder then get their buddy to film it, and then put it on the net. I didn't say the races were fake. I said go anywhere else like a NMRA, FFW, OSCA, 10.5 Shootout, SCCA race talking about highway roll racing you will get clowned. NASCAR/short track racers, the racers that are hobbyists, not professionals, mainly use junkyard cores. Either way highway roll racing is pointless, and has zero legitimate backing.

Zero legitimate backing?....Hmmm...Like claiming you tuned a 12 second Cobalt with no legitimate backing. IE. Time Slip, Video, Picture...

Zero legitimate backing?....Hmmm...Like claiming you tuned a 12 second Cobalt with no legitimate backing. IE. Time Slip, Video, Picture...
Legitimate backing AKA Sanctioning bodies, race tracks, sponsors. Internet verification IS NOT legitimate backing. The guys I run with don't give a shit about this internet forum crap, and truthfully I'm a bit worn out myself. But it's for the sake of helping others out on a new platform. But I know when help isn't appreciated, so you won't see anymore posts from me. Maybe I should post a slip of my car then I'll get some internet respect. But then again, I really neither desire nor require respect from a mass that is normally present in certain forums. So forget it. I only received one PM requesting info and being that he was the only one that want's to learn then it really is pointless being here.

The fact that you're asking for proof of a roughly 300hp 2900lb car on sticky rubber with a seasoned driver can make a 12 sec run means that you have no idea about performance. My 3300lb 300hp car RWD went 13.5X on real radials V rated radials at that. The fact is, a 300ish hp car with a 109 trap and low 2.0 to 1.8X short times will make high 12 passes all day. But some of you wouldn't know anything about that.

Legitimate backing AKA Sanctioning bodies, race tracks, sponsors. Internet verification IS NOT legitimate backing. The guys I run with don't give a shit about this internet forum crap, and truthfully I'm a bit worn out myself. But it's for the sake of helping others out on a new platform. But I know when help isn't appreciated, so you won't see anymore posts from me. Maybe I should post a slip of my car then I'll get some internet respect. But then again, I really neither desire nor require respect from a mass that is normally present in certain forums. So forget it. I only received one PM requesting info and being that he was the only one that want's to learn then it really is pointless being here.

The fact that you're asking for proof of a roughly 300hp 2900lb car on sticky rubber with a seasoned driver can make a 12 sec run means that you have no idea about performance. My 3300lb 300hp car RWD went 13.5X on real radials V rated radials at that. The fact is, a 300ish hp car with a 109 trap and low 2.0 to 1.8X short times will make high 12 passes all day. But some of you wouldn't know anything about that.

oh i could careless how fast the car ran and how much it weighs. I've watched 6000 lbs diesel trucks run in the 10's, big deal. I think the car is capable of running 12's I just havent seen it, so until I do I wont believe it. Its not that I DONT, I just wont. I wont tell someone the Cobalt is capable of 12's until I know its factual.

But you call people out saying racing from a roll gives you no legitimate backing. Then you get on saying my car did this and this car does that with these tires, and the only thing I've seen is words typed in a little box. At least racing with a video camera gives you something. If nothing else at least a "wow that car can pull on this car from 40 mph, neat". Most people know theres more to racing then that.

Sure its not the best way to judge the cars and drivers potential. Alot of cars perform better from a roll though. Stock Cobalt for example. Would I race a Cobalt from a dig? No, that would be the most predictible/boring race ever. Start the race from 20 mph and now you can have some fun, my traction advantage is now a slight disadvantage with more drivetrain loss and this goes vise versa for the Cobalt.

When I goto the drag strip I go to have fun. When I AutoX I go to have fun. I dont go to prove something to some hillbilly that is closed minded about how cars should or shouldnt be raced. When I leave the track I dont say "wow I really showed that Cobalt who is boss".

Believe it or not, not everyone does understand track dynamics like you do and traps, ET, short time etc etc etc dont make much sense to them. Isnt that amazing? You were the only person born knowing this stuff.

Well anyway, goodbye for the, what is this? Second or third time?

roll racing can be fun but not taken seriously, serious racing starts from a stop

roll racing can be fun but not taken seriously, serious racing starts from a stop

Exactly! :twothumbs

Oh and correction on my post....legitimate backing as in sponcers...I dunno why but I skimmed what you said. My bad.