Thats putting the cars at even more of a level playing field if you only raced cars of the same drive wheels, that's getting a bit silly. When your going from a roll it's just **** simple. Drop a gear and go the only thing, besides the honks, to mess up is shifting. When going from a dig small mistakes can end in getting walked on by bus lengths.

Once again im not defending roll racing but racing from a roll is 90% of what I encounter.

 

Nothings ever gonna match up perfect. Its all fun factor. I jsut dont think its fair to even compare an AWD monster vs a FWD car from a dig. If you wanted to you could eat him alive, yes you may injure your car in the process or over the long term, but you could dominate him if you really wanted.

 

[QUOTE=Xenozx]but based of your comments the one dude could launch first and get less wheel hop, so you theory is incorrect.

User error can happen in both scenerio's, less from a roll.[/QUOT

you both launch at the same time....one guy getting better traction has nothing to do with when you both started. The Hemi under glass could beat me on it's back two wheels. We'd both start at the same time though, that's the only fair/real race.

 

[QUOTE=traviskearney]Reaction time. Even when you go to the track you both dont pull perfect RT's.... IM saying it may be possible to both take off at the same time, but in reality someone got the jumpoff on the other.

 

here's my opinion and I know it's heavily biased, but what do you expect?

roll racing is stupid,

dig racing is where it's at!

now I drive an Tsi AWD, what do you expect me to say?

 

That was a dumb statement then. It's like saying all cars run off gasoline, except the ones that run off electricity or diesal or vegetable oil, oh and hydrogen. No duh! How can you say "ALL accidents happen from stupid people and then 4 or 5 paragraphs later say except for randomness and Acts of God." Makes no sense.

Why would you say WRX, if you meant Imprezza??? People raced Model A's did you not read that? They had a top speed of like 12-15mph. Street racing has nothing to do commercials or how a car is "portrayed". Also beetles are one ofthe best cars in the world to make go fast for less money.

 

I drive FWD (Cobalt SS/SC as in name) and altho our cars aren't that great from a dig, that doesn't give us the right to say "well, mine is still faster since that's only testing driver skills..".

Roll racing can be fun, but it completely ruins the race to a point. If you race from 45mph, then that's nearly half the race gone already.. There's just 2 different kinds of power in most cars: Down-low and straightline.. or Up-high and twisties.

Honestly, I think the cobalt would be a better car for road racing and doing "corner carving" than straightline. I'm not sure which setup GM had in mind, but it would make more sense.

 

Dood, you obviously cant read. it doesnt matter... I was cleary just making a point that "Most" (probably 98%) of accidents are caused by the above. maybe I shouldnt have used "all" it may be too difinitive but you should have KNOWN what I meant.

again it doesnt matter.... whether it be a imprezza vs sti or a mazda speed protege vs a reg protege. I was just looking for the same car that had a SPORTY FAST version, and a non sporty fast version. I was just clearly stating that the manufacturers are creating "SPORTS" edditions of cars that are super fast, if we didnt want to go super fast why would we buy the sports version over the MUCH cheaper non sports version. its a waste of money unless you are looking to use that extra horse power... ( I spent 5000 extra on a cobalt SS actually probably more since I have all the options, so damn skippy I am going to get my moneys worth) if you read a little harder you will understand.

as far as the beetle again, if you would learn to read you would see where I was going with it. It doesnt matter what car it was, my opinion was if it doesnt look sporty and doesnt have 900 hp then people wont be so inclined to ***** up and race to prove their car is faster cause everyone drives the same slow POS.

 

All this back-pedaling, yet you make no comment on that people use to race 15mph model As??? Model As look sporty??? If you could/would put your "thoughts" into words better then you did then maybe I wouldn't call you on it. I know how to read, maybe you should learn to write.

 

Dude who cares! lay off him. He was making a generalization.
Anyways my Eclipse is faster then any Cobalt ss in the 1/4. Who wants to race from a dig?

 

rock on, DSM Powa!!!! lol.

 

Thank you atleast someone can read. did I got to school and get a masters degree in writing, no... Am I getting paid for writing this no...


So very minimal time is spent in my responses and proof reading. Apparently someone understood I was generalizing the situation, it didnt matter on the specifics, why cant you? your basicially nit picking something that didnt make a difference in the first place....

 

I do.

 

[QUOTE=Xenozx]The light turned green at the same time, if one guy forgot to practice that's his problem. It is racing. Horses start galloping fractions of seconds apart, but all start when the gun sounds....Swimmers start fractions of seconds apart but all start when the whistle sounds. In a roll there is no equal starting point, like the gate, or the block, therefore lining up and having a tree, or stoplight, or hand drop is the only real way to have an even race.

And why the heck did this stupid thing *** out hemi under gl***. HEMI UNDER GL***SSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe that'll help.

 

3 honks man. if you dont go after the third honk thats on you.

 

3500 rpm vs 5300rpm = not an even starting point. 0rpm vs 0rpm = even.

 

Ok.. Who said there's no skill in launching an AWD car??? I've got an EVO which all of you know is AWD. It took me a lot of practice to get the launch right. I've been driving for 16 years and the way some of you describe the ease in this, I'm starting to think I should have been able to do it right out of the lot. On Evolutionm.net, guys are always asking about "what's the right way to launch" or "How do I do it". Trust me, it's not easy and does take a lot of practice. I'm sure some of you have seen many AWD cars bog down. This happens a lot.

As far as roll racing, that's where your car (Cobalt SS) shines, because there's no wheelspin. Plus, you can showcase all that under-rated power which is a good thing.

Roll racing is fun if it's done safely and NOT in traffic! I actually enjoy it now too. But I think the track is the best way to see the true "straight line" performance of your car including your driving ability.

Just my 2cents...

Mike

 

very well put!!!

 

I prefer racing from a dig, not because I'm AWD but mostly because it shows drivers skill (as stated a hundred times here). Racing from a roll falls back on money, I could take a Geo Metro and drop an LS7 in there if I had enough money. Would anyone beat me from a roll, I seriously doubt it. From the dig on the other hand I would need an extreme amount of driving skills since to keep from burning up the tires through 4th gear.

Neither roll racing or from a dig will show all of the cars performace. Example from a dig I can beat an M3 in the 1/8 mile. If I roll up to one on the highway I know I dont stand a chance in hell.

Launching an AWD car is usually tough and alot of the times scarey. If you launch to hard and end up droppin the clutch your going to have a transmission shaped trash can under the car. If you launch to softly then you are just wasting your time.

I will admit, the proper launch on an AWD car is like being rubber banded down the road, but if I'm racing a FWD (cept srt-4's) I wont severely launch it on the street. Just not worth it.....

 

Roll racing is an oxymoron. It's horseplay. It's dicking around on the highway. It's boring, there's no skill involved. It's what high schoolers do when they first learn how to drive and go out by themselves. Any car can launch properly with the right combo/equipment and an accomplished driver. If your car doesn't hook from a stop then try new tires, suspension work, driving techniques. Don't take it to the highway. There isn't an organized group that "roll races" so therefore it isn't real racing. There's no starting line there's no finish line. If you want high speed racing, then build land speed car, even they start from a stop. They start at 0mph and go wide open for 2 or 3miles then stop. That's racing. Start line finish line. Formula 1, Lemans, Trans Am, they all start from a stop. They do a warm up lap, come back and stop then start the race. Even World Rally they start from a stop and they're not even on pavement! Off Road Racing, from a stop. The only group that starts a race from a roll are NASCAR/Short Track. They have a start/finish line though, and even if who wants to emulate a bunch of rednecks driving in circles with junkyard engines? Not me. This ain't NASCAR no rolls allowed.

 

from a dig is definately more fun then this highway roll crap. But autox is where its at. Now thats fun and it shows all the cars abilities and all the drivers abilities. Gives you bragging rights and makes you a better driver. Its safe and definately fun. Really its a win win win to me. I try to keep the speed down on the streets if possible.

 

Quoted for truth. I also put the most important thing said in bold.

 

what is said has some truth...a pity he doesn't know what an oxymoron is, and that his definition of racing requires a mass of people to do it.

It's funny that you drive a Camaro Z28 and used a redneck stereotype.

 

Okay would "misnomer" be a word more to your liking? And yes a mass/group of people is required to "race", you can't race against yourself now can you? I guess every redneck does go around driving LS1 F-bodies, so what the hell was I thinking when I bought one, being a black man and all. Please point out a redneck in a LS1 F-body, I mean I'm in Alabama right now and all I see is pickup trucks. Call me crazy, but how many Z28s do you see on CMT?
I take it you must "roll race".

 

Black F-body driver, now is that an oxymoron??? j/k

Dude 90% of Cobalts race from a roll. So sad.