Roll racing puts the cars and drivers on a level (equal) playing field IMO. Especially for us because the SS S/C is difficult to launch well. I generally roll race but have never turned down a dig.

If you wanna talking about true racing get on a real track. This straight line stuff isn't true racing to me. I totally respect what ppl can do at a drag strip but when there’s no turns it's not "true" racing. How to negotiate turns throttle in and out of bends and when you learn how to throw your car into a turn is better than straight line speed. This is why I enjoy weaving through traffic and purposely try to find windy roads.

 

oh wow, you enjoy weaving through traffic?! way to put other peoples lifes in danger.

 

racing is racing doesn't matter where it starts. Taking it to the strip is a true-test. Its a test to see what you have, do you give it too much throttle, do you miss your shift, hell..pick any number of things. A road course has its advantages too. Basically, its your trust in your car and how you use it. You can be out-matched by another car that has more hp/torque and you can still drive around them on a course with a well handling car. Racing from a roll is just that, going from a roll. This is IMO a test of the car and its ability. If you get beat by another car equally equipped, its your fault.
With all the debating aside, racing depends on the driver
go bracket racing at a strip.... thats a true race.

 

dude I knew I'd find you here, im not trying to start anything and I have been nice to you lately. Im fully aware of how you feel about street racing etc so i don't need to hear it. Everytime anyone gets into a car they put their and other peoples lives at risk. If you wanna argue im down just PM me.

 

my buddy has an 86 trueno that only has around 140 hp that destroys STi's and evo's in circuit tracks. does that mean he has a faster car overall? no, it just means his suspension/driving skills is far better than you can imagine. we are talking about speed here so a drag strip is the best way to measure that. once you want to accomplish more out of your technique then you go to circuit tracks and try that.

 

your very ignorant to anything but your own point of view....


With that aside its nice to see these other opinion on street racing. I agree roll racing does have the potential to put you on an = playing ground mainly because all a Dig tells you is who got the better launch. I think a roll lets you see CAR vs CAR more and not as much driver vs driver. theres still some driver skill in a roll race but not much.

You can be killed by a straw, and as another post has mentioned street racing only accounts for like 0.02 percent of accidents on US roadways. YOu can die in an accident driving the speed limit, you can die in an accident street racing, I dont think there is any more probability either which way, its all on unpredictablility.

If you do it safe, and make sure no heavy traffic or residential roads, i say its all good.

Oh and as far as your buddy, your right. now let him run those same cars in a roll race and a 1/4 mile race and lets see what happens. Ultimately you gain a bigger picture of which car is faster where and why. in his case its all driver and suspension, in an STI's its mostly the AWD, etc. Helps you build a better picture of the car IMO.

 

so are you trying to say that street racing on the highway doesn't increase the chances of getting in an accident in the highway? yes i am aware that the roads are dangerous but people that street race only increase those chances more so.

 

did you read my post? i said, does that mean he has a faster car? then i said no, it just means his suspension/driving skills is better. if he was to take his car to the track he would get humiliated. he and i are fully aware of that. i was responding to p7's post that a true cars speed is on a twistie road and such.

 

It all depends. Personally I dont think street races increases the chance of accidents. I think it would increase the potential for mortality and death, but not the % of accidents.


ALL accidents are caused by bad judgement, bad decision, lack of attention. (aka stupid people)

Whether your street racing or driving normal theres always the oppertunity for someone either you the driver of your car or the other person to make one of hte mistakes above and cause an auto accident.

If you are very good at decision making, judgement, paying attention, reaction time I think you can actually street race and create less of a potential for an accident.

Street racing in bumper to bumper traffic, hitting the shoulder to pass a car, reving by an old lady, hitting the opposite lane, going over 120 mph, etc. these are all examples of bad decisions, judgement.

If you are driving at 12 midnight and there is nothing on the road but you and that riced out integra all strait away 2 lane highway or better and you floor it and go from what ever to 100 mph with no traffic, I dont see how that causes an accident. Theres always pure randomness and an ACT OF GOD type scenerio but as I said if you do it right an do it safe, you dont have anything to worry about. (but the po po's)

 

thats fine, then I backed up what you said, I must have read it wrong.

 

you two...DC52NV and Xenozx need to take a serious break from this forum if all you can do is post **** about the other. A 'mod' should have enough sense to walk away from making foolish posts. I suggest you both click the X and come back later.

 

yes i agree that people with bad judgement are most likely to kill someone. i simply responded to the post that p7 posted about him liking weaving in and out of traffic.

 

Forums are for discussions. dont know if you have ever been in a debate in class, but wars have been started, and people have been killed in and over debates. He and I decide to debate something in a forum with all words I say leave it at that. thats probably the best way to handle it. Just because hes a mod doesnt mean he cant participate in discussions he finds that peak his interest/curiosity.

Not everyone in this world will see everything everyone elses sees exactly the same, its called being human, deal with it.

Anyway I hold no hostilities to anyone on this forum, its a war of the words, you just say things to get the other party off their rockers its fun you should try it

its called playing devils advocate :!

 

well at least we agree on something.

 

i agree. all we are having is a friendly debate. it's not like we are going at each others throats here. just because i'm a mod doesn't mean i can't defend my morals and values. i think you need to chill yourself Doc cuz me being a mod shouldn't let me debate w/ another member.

 

Damn you! Its hard playing devils advocate when you agree with me!

 

Roll racing is lame cause one guy could have just shifted, while the other is just getting ready to shift. Starting from a dead stop is the only way to make sure it is an equal race.

 

but based of your comments the one dude could launch first and get less wheel hop, so you theory is incorrect.

User error can happen in both scenerio's, less from a roll.

 

debate away...

 

Roll racing 4 LIFE.........i don't like cops and don't like ppl who look like cops.

not really defending roll racing BUT it's simple, less that can go wrong. That's why is has become so popular. True skill would come from a dig ..........and than after the 1/4 mile you go around a track, like Car and driver's superfour challenge.

 

agreed. Its easier to just race from a roll on an empty road then stopping in the middle of a highway and going from a dig. Roll racing shows more car vs car then driver vs driver. If you want driver vs driver or proof how fast you are go to the track. its always fun to race here and there IMO if this wasnt the case why didnt we all save 5 g's and by a cobalt LT, and why spend money on a ZO6, or an STI when a 2.5 non turbo WRX is available....

Hell while IM on the subject I think car manufacturers are the ones who cause street racing etc in the first place. If they made fuel efficient cars, that took like 20 seconds to get to 60 MPH and where not sporty looking, you know that street racing would practically be non existant. Instead they advertise how fast their cars are, and have sporty commercials etc.

 

I really hope you meant this jokingly. All accidents are caused by stupid people??? Orly? So when semi-trucks get blown over it's cause they are idiots or when someone's brakes fail they made a bad decision or or or when a tire blows they should have seen that lil nail in the road. Right?

More "street racing" accidents happen in roll races not from a dig. Think about it. Look at most reported "street racing" accidents and you will see that they happened in an excess of 100mph and usually it is between 2 cars that if they had went from a dig and only raced a quarter mile they would have been 5-15mph away from 100mph.

All WRXs have a turbo BTW.

Also street racing has been around before television was invented. Hell I bet people use to race there horse drawn carriages. I know old model As use to street race.

DIG>ROLL FTW!

 

No I wasnt joking. as I said theres always pure randomness and the ACT OF GOD scenerio's. Other then those its the people behind the wheel that cause the problem.

You have paperback facts for that observation? I ran the 1/4 mile at 101 MPH so your theory is flawed. I know I dont have the fastest car so many 1/4 "DIG" races can go 120+.

I used the WRX term instead of the "IMPREZZA" that I ment. It looks just like a WRX but with no turbo... I was using that to make a point that if people where not interested in speed, racing why would anyone spend the extra money for the extra power under the hood. regardless of the car its the same scenerio.

IM sure racing has been arround for a while, but the problem is the promoting of it via advertisments and commercials and the fact they build cars that can be street driven that look fast and are fast. If they got out of this habbit I think street racing would be much less of an issue then it is now. If every car on the road was acceloration limited, and had a top speed of 75 MPH and looked like a damn beetle imagine how much less street racing their would be?

Same thing was tried with public/private schools and having to wear school uniforms.

 

I'll agree with you Xenozx, in theory...all accidents are preventable.
Although, if the car were limited to 75 I am sure people would find a way to get there quicker than the next Getting there quicker than the Jones' will always be an issue

 

I don't think it does. If you want a level playing field race only a ff car. And AWD should only race AWD cars. FF cars have a disadvantage from dig and awd cars suck at a roll. I have a awd car and raced a ss cobalt with E/I/P last night. We went from roll (I won) and we went from a dig. I broke my tranny shifting into 4th. It was planned and he did pretty well from a dig "SwizzDSMSS". I'm saying be well rounded. Learn to launch good and you still can race from a roll.