I could do that but I deploy really soon

 

Good points, but we have been in the LNF game longer than you. Sure you have run some awesome numbers, I will not discount that, but you make it seem like you are doing stuff we can't/haven't done. We have had some sick builds, sure we haven't had the LNF up to the levels you have... yet. Basically, we operate the shop a bit different then you guys. Rather than having shop cars to build, we build customer's cars. This makes it so we have to have someone to commit to making power, like Matt O and John.

I am confident we can offer everything John needs, and I am more than confident we can tune it to be a good 500-600whp daily driver.

That said, Matt M, why are you recommending the Quaife 6 speed? This is a serious question, not bashing at all. The 6 speed has shorter gears, which are not what we would be looking for with this build. I think the best way to go about this is a custom gearset with custom ratios.

 

Does werks have a 500whp cobalt? No they do not. How are you going to get around the fuel issue like zzp already did? Dont say trifecta because thats still not enough fuel to hit 500whp

 

its in the shop as you speak. we will have a 500hp cobalt VERRRRY soon.....ced is the deadline for it because im not in a rush to get my car back lol. the only reason im not going to be pushing that kind of power YET is because i want it to be reliable. all the bolt ons and stuff this year including the turbo kit....ported head, built motor and trans next winter. theres ways around the fueling...the way zzp did plus vinces tables which zzp uses im pretty sure. look in the fi section you will see my build thread. besides werks has been in the lnf game with the solstice sky kappa platform. cobalts new to them as i just offered my car for r and d. im not saying anything against zzp just depending the point you brought up.

 

The point that you are making about not having "shop cars" is the exact point that I am trying to make. I have had my Cobalt on the dyno 25 or 30 times and made over 250 pulls. Last fall we were trapping 126 on the ported head, 110 octane, and 256 turbo battling issues. This year, the issues are completely gone and we are trapping higher on the stock head, 93 octane, and S252 turbo. This is the kind of progress that can only be made by having my own car here to test parts and ECM changes. (Vince has also been an integral part of the equation.) Overall, we have put together a setup that I have yet to see duplicated anywhere. I'm sure others will catch up to where we are now, but we are not stopping here. We are close to making another breakthrough that will get us a solid 600whp, while others are a few steps away.

I'm not sure what you mean about the Quaife. It has taller gears then the LNF trans. Where are you reading that they are shorter? Or do you mean that they are closer together? And if so, why should that be an issue?

 

thats great its good to see you guys getting up there in hp and making the breakthroughs you are. i was going to shoot for a complete build with a 6262 and a built motor and trans but my drag race plans have since gone out the window for this car. i have a camaro that i play with so i decided to take this car to the road coarse. still should hit over 500hp at high boost but other then that i dont want more power out of this car. good luck to you guys.

 

i am still going with perofrmance autowerks, i dont have ANYTHING against ZZP at all,, after being in the shop there i pretty much got an eye opener and saw opportunity.....

 

yeah p-werks will do you right. trust me on this one. zzp does good work to though.

 

creative, and interesting, but no way lol...

true.... like i said though, a tranny and some axles is a MUST... otherwise, the whole idea is dust in the wind.....

 

just dont be screwing with the shop. getting estimates is one thing but if your going to commit and then backout last minute dont waste your time or theres. if your going to do this build you need to console with dave thoroughly and get everything layed out in front of you.. you need to be prepared for setbacks and such aswell. its going to be EXPENSIVE. i say that in caps because i really hope you have the money for this and arent playing around.

 

me havz moneez

 

im just saying man. if you wanna do this let me get talking dave for you.......shoot me a pm with your budget, goals and anything else you could want to share and ill get up with dave on saturday when im at the shop.

 

I already got this, lol. Been talking to John about this for at least 6 months now, I think.

 

lol you were telling me......thats my point i dont wanna have you dave and i running around digging up a million things to tell him about the build as far as parts, options, and forth go and then this not go through at all.

 

In every market there is always someone who 'is going to do' something. This goes for companies and customers alike. But the reality is, people just don't ever match ZZP's work or performance. When they try, they end up doing a big Hahn build like this thread and many others saying things like "you guys aren't the only company that makes parts" and then shortly later a story of a demod or new plan. This thread is one of them. The OP was talking a big game and spent big money on Hahn parts that didn't work out. Not many hahn builds do but people continue.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/parts-66/many-many-lnf-goodies-208722/
Angel talked huge and is now demoding never having performed. Why end up like one of these guys when you can just stop into ZZP and have proven performance. A while ago I was flamed for pages on end saying all the fastest cars will be running ZZP in 2009. We were right. No one came close even though a bunch of people "we're working on something". Now it's 2010 and cars running ZZP opened the season with the fastest times again. Don't chase after hopes and dreams, get the real deal and be happy. There's a lot more to making this work than people know about. Remember you don't know, what you don't know...

 

We will be waiting.

 

Wow, you guys. John's made his mind up, how about leaving him be now eh?

 

You guys have proven a lot but you guys were also one of the first into the lnf game. Performance autowerks got late start on the cobalt so yes we are a little behind but like you guys we will prove to be right up there as top competitors. We've done it with the srt4 and the kappas the cobalt is next.

 

besides,,,, performance autowerks is only 2.5 hours away from my house in illinois... i feel that this is going to be a great thing for them, i mean, i already said it, im goin all out already... first ever fully built ss/tc ??? idk.... anyone?? anyone??

 

Dude seriously....do you even know what you want to do with your car? You make posts about how you want like 5 different things...last I heard you were selling your balt for a GTO....then you cut the resonator out....

Seriously, make a goal for your car, and stick to it. You want a car that spins through all the gears? Why? Performance of the car is negligible then. I've messed with 430whp turbo integras before, and won...ya know why? Because he couldn't put it down to the ground even on a 40 roll.

Usuable horsepower > Overabundance of horsepower

No, it won't be. Werks is already building their own =P

And what, are you trying to impress people? If you're building your car to impress the community you're building it for the wrong reasons. Stop trying to impress people over the internet and enjoy your car. I guarantee you making globs of horsepower won't impress anyone but people who bench race or are impressed with high numbers. Take it to werks or whatever, listen to the knowledgable people up there, and make a usable fun street car.

 

Maybe he'll spend 100K on it and make it AWD. 0.0

 

Its all in what the man wants. He has set his goals, and even in his original Hahn threads, I think he said he wanted 500-600whp, but the S20 kit was just to bide the time until some things got taken care of on the car, like fueling, and some other things.

If he wants downright numbers, we'll make him downright numbers, and make it driveable to boot. I don't understand everyone bashing John. He is putting alot of money into this thing, yeah, but you know its his toy, his money, and his joy thats gonna come from it. He's spending money on stuff that no one else wants to try, so give him a break. Lol.

 

I can't do it bro!

I understand the guy wants what he wants and that is respectable. I'm basically saying, make a goal, stick to it, do your research and take it to quality people (like yourselves. ).

It will be interesting to see how you guys make all that HP drivable, but I have faith that you will. We'll talk on our next date....I mean....meet.

 

That wasnt just aimed at you Ryan, it was aimed at all the haters.

 

Oh I know, I'm just bored and wanted your attention.

You guys will do a good job with his car, no doubt. He just needs to whip into shape! =)