Who said it was on par with zzp's? It's overkill for a stock car or near stock car(bolt on's/tune)(not counting bolt on bigger turbo). Unless you're going big turbo forget about it unless you have extra cash you want to spend, or your stocker gets broken and you have to replace it. Near $1000 for minimal to no gains... Rather see OP go Downpipe,intake,custom tune,forge bpv for that money.

 

I want to send my 08 spare pcm into zzp soon i just want to test it befor i go bigger turbo hopfully around black friday!! Haha

 

it actually makes a difference. You lose power because
1) doesnt exchange heat like the Zzp one does
2) actually does flow very restricted compared to theirs.
And yes it will break these parts on stock turbo. it's not about how big the turbo is. If you're running high boost you risk cracking the plastic parts. The charge pipe is a pancake and doesn't flow as freely as a Zzp charge pipe and the rubber couplings aren't the sturdiest.

 

We all agree zzp has a better product then stock but the stocker is great for a stock turbo with any other bolt on's thrown in. No need to throw money when you're running simple power adders.

After market charge pipes do flow better, but how much dose it really help when you're lightly modded? What about the steel/aluminum piping heatsoak vs stock plastic?

I guess I'm just biased. 200k+ on stock system never had a boost leak yet. 24psi for the last 75k, otherwise GMS1.

 

Either way it gets heat soaked...

 

I think intake dp then intercooler. An ic allows for more timing to be added even with just a stock k04

 

I'm not offended. I said it was funny. It's not about the tune or who did it. I was referring to the way that someone is happy with their car and people come out of the woodwork to convince him that its not as good as he thinks it is. If he likes it, then that is all that matters.

 

Good friend of mine EXPLODED an upper charge pipe stock turbo 24psi tune. So that's wrong.


You replace the intercooler and pipes because they are pressurized, you increase that pressure so much its literally a ticking time bomb, not to mention how easy the intercooler is to crack!

 

That thing probably scared the crap out of your friend when it popped lol

 

It scared the **** out of me popping the upper pipe off once... let alone BLOWING it... he said it almost blew the hood open (or so it seemed)

 

Lol I bet I remember when I popped my upper cp it scared the crap out of me

 

That's pretty impressive.

And for what it's worth at this point, I ran the ZZP canned tune for a few months. Trims were always +\-3. Never any KR and for a canned tune it still pulled hard. I never spun 3rd, still can't on my E tune really unless I'm blowing 2nd off and shift quick. Spinning ain't winning though.

 

Just got my zzp pcm in the mail. It is one of theirs, I'm sending mine back as a core. I understand I need to do the key relearn but I just read about a case relearn might need to be done. So will I need to do a case relearn as well? It's a 2010 if that matters

 

Connect the pcm if it doesn't start you need to do it. I'm pretty sure you need to do it tho

 

I will say that having switched myself from GMS1 to the ZZP canned tune, that it does impress.
I never dyno'd mine before I switched to an E85 Term tune but it made a lot of torque.
I easily spun second (still on stock tires back then which I admit weren't very good) but I don't recall spinning third until I got the ZFR and e47.
That said, my fastest lap time at the road track on ZZP's canned tune still stands as my personal best. I've had issues with cooling and and relearning shift points but still. I loved that tune. Ran it probably for 18 months with no issues, including road track.

 

We've all seen that picture and its possible and does happen but it's far and few. More people busting trannies. A 2Liter Coke/Pepsi bottle can hold 80psi reliably and have known to go to 100+.The stock pipe was designed with GMS1 in mind. 24 psi is right near gms1 levels(18-22psi) defective parts get through QC all the time, they might only test 1 in 10000 upper charge pipes or maybe not at all after it was stamped with the engineers approval. You're buddy just had a sub par made part, like both my SSTC's headlights(condensation problems) at least it wasn't porous block. very similar situation to how people mistrust the stock BPV but its far an few that fail.

 

Not meaning to highjack this thread but all I had to do was the key relearn and it was good to go. The mid range torque is great, it's a lot smoother all around than the gms1 but it's a bit more conservative than I expceted. I really didn't want to have an hpt tune until I'm ready for some E, the zzp tune is an easy upgrade for the money.

 

All I had to do was a key relearn. Some people do a clutch relearn but as long as you bury the clutch pedal when starting the car you should have no issues.
I got one of their PCM's as well, in fact it was even a 2009 PCM although my car is a 2010 (they didn't have 2010's yet) and it has worked fine.
Since I sold my original PCM after warranty ran out, and have used ZZP's ever since, my car still "thinks" it's a 2009 when I hook it up to HP Tuners

 

I don't spin in 3rd

 

Must be my 4.45 gearing. And that 471wtq

 

I have the original worn out bald contis on there still. I need to find a good set of tires.

 

Yeah cool I'm aware of that. What if I add a downpipe and air intake? Do you guys have the option of me sending in my pcm to get it retuned?

 

Well that and I'm on a bigger turbo so the powa will come in smoother. I had the tach fail so all I know is a min of 400tq

 

Thanks guys for your replies. I don't spin hard in 3rd but it does break loose a little bit, like I said I have bald worn-out original continentals on there still. A lot of things changed when I added the new tuned pcm in. For example it warms up a lot faster and runs cooler, the fans come on a lot sooner and cools it down. Basically it's a nice tune and pulls a lot harder than I thought it would. I'm gonna check the KR and AFRs and LTFT soon but I dont notice any problems. If I add a downpipe and intake would I still have a problem with the "learndown" feature? I'm assuming I would. But hopefully ZZP will retune the pcm when I do add some bolt-ons.

 

......and now I need to relearn how to drive the car and feather the clutch so I just don't spin and hit the rev limiter in 1st and 2nd now lol. Like someone else said "spinning ain't winning"