08inBama

but we all know direct injection is a bitch, it will always be a bitch... yes you are going to get more UP FRONT with it... but when you are looking at "potential", its always going to be a pain in the ass... IF we had aftermarket cams and a reliable fueling means, then yes, i would agree the LNF has more potential, until that day, you won't be seeing many 500+whp LNFs... the LSJ is very capable of that...

now if you have $1000 to throw at one of the two, the LNF is going to win...

mmcgee123

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06black ( Brian ) his car is crazy Nasty and it does make mid to high 500's last time I talked to him

HyperMuffin

Its like a never ending battle in this dumb ******* topic. LSJ vs LNF.

In the end, no matter what, LSJ or LNF, you still drive a cobalt.

crypticscifer

I'm not saying one is better than the other only analyzing his comment. I don't doubt 06black and his car and his capabilities. I bet it makes every bit of HP.

Ryan@zzp

586?

cmiller8006

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Thats what I have been wondering to. I have stirred the pot enough the last couple days tho lol.

08inBama

wasn't going to say anything, I know Ryan's car is no where near 586whp... I mean it might be on some bunk ass uncorrected, unloaded dyno... but not corrected on a Mustang... that is why dyno numbers should always be taken with a grain of salt... some are A LOT more forgiving than others and when you are talking a somewhat high output, it can vary results BY A LOT... i've always been one for a loaded mustang, yet they are "heartbreakers" and tend to **** people off when they are shooting for "400whp" or whatever and then get upset when they don't hit it, but the thing with them when you hit your goal on one you KNOW it'd hold true on any other dyno... that can't be said for any other dyno in reference to a corrected Mustang, which is what ZZP uses

now with that being said, what did 06Black RUN?

damien

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IIRC, his car was more of a 'street' car vs track like Ryan's.

08inBama

so high 11s? lol... in other words, cmiller is probably knocking on his door with a 12.2 and NO WHERE NEAR 500whp


making hp work is a lot more important than making hp



you pull up in a 586whp Cobalt it BETTER be built for the strip, because on the street spinning, its going to be losing to stock GT Mustangs

pantherqs

So much e-racing up in here.

rukkee

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I HAte LSJ vs LNF bull **** but i will say this ..... Both have their +'s and -'s .

I've see the LSJ go from a motor that people were having trouble breaking 300 WHP to the turbo swapped monster It can be ..... but there were hurdles along the way . A lot of people broke a lot of #4 ringlands to get the LSJ to make the power numbers it makes today. Hell when i first got here a 2.79 pulley on a stage kit tune was the setup that a lot of guys were running .... with no cooling mods lol.

Now the LNF has to cross some of those hurtles ..... It will be interesting to see where it goes in the next 3-4 years.

BLAZIN07SS

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Best ET 11.86@126 - Built motor, 60-1, best shes got on the old turbo. and its a street car, not a purpose built drag racer

08inBama

that is still slow as **** to be the "fastest" of the LSJs... and by that I mean, I would suspect the turbo kit from a certain vendor who has posted in this topic on a LNF would net around the same results when properly driven, possibly faster... and that being in a "street car"

and my original statement holds true, Cmiller has gone low 12s with a lot LESS than 580whp

BLAZIN07SS

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again its not a purpose built drag racer

08inBama

neither would a LNF with a turbo swap be... besides WHY do you put 500whp+ in a Cobalt and then say "oh, its not built for the strip"

what the **** is it built for? to strap onto a dyno to give yourself a boner? that **** definitely isn't going to work on a road course

I haven't seen many "street cars" that can't use their hp on the STREET, either

pantherqs

You cry so much.

BLAZIN07SS

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its a lot easier to make a car hook from a 40 roll than a dig. just saying

08inBama

crying? I wouldn't call stating the obvious crying...

500whp in ANY fwd car and then calling it a "street car" is pointless, if it were a LNF, i'd feel the same way... this is no different than dyno queen Supras, you know the guys who brag about 900whp and then get bitch slapped by 600whp Cobras? oh but they'll race FROM A ROLL!!!

oh and how about that, the last guy mentioned racing from a roll

BLAZIN07SS

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i have done plenty of racing from a dig. too much stress on components and you break too much stuff. i will never drag race a daily driver car again. i will have a dedicated drag car for the strip

08inBama

^ on the street you won't break nearly as often, as asphalt is MUCH more forgiving then the strip... you may spin a little, but spinning doesn't break ****(notice I said spinning, not wheel hop)... whereas on the strip, you are more likely to dead hook, dead hooking is where you break ****(stock parts that is)

and that is why I am saying good luck putting a fwd 500whp anything on the "street"... even a low roll, its going to pretty much be useless... But I mean if falling back on "oh yeah, i'd beat you from a 65 roll" is your thing, well, more power to you and whoever else wants 500whp in a FWD car on street tires

if I was going to have a 500whp Cobalt, i'd want a big set of slicks and a decent suspension, so it'd at least be decent AT SOMETHING

and I know you are all probably think "****, a LNF fan boy"... that could not be more wrong, in fact, as I have already stated, I bet the LSJ has more potential... because with the LNF you are limited to valve train work(some head work, springs, etc.), stronger rods, better pistons, and turbo swaps... and even then you have to HOPE to be able to get fuel to everything.... where as on the LSJ you have aftermarket cams available, better fueling options, etc...

my feelings toward 500whp in a fwd "street car" is universal... whether its a LSJ or LNF Cobalt, a SRT4 Neon, a FWD DSM, etc....

pantherqs

Or you could not be a closet ricer, find a deserted street with solid cement, and prep it?

http://www.hardkore.org/52/closet.jpg
http://www.hardkore.org/52/ricer.jpg
http://www.hardkore.org/52/lol.jpg

We dead-hook just fine.