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Old May 7, 2011 | 09:48 PM
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Over the last week I installed an AIS Stage 1 kit using my WWF tank and a Devil's Own tank tap. 5 GPM nozzle installed in the ZZP lower CP at the MAF relocate block off plate.

New 3 gal trunk mount tank is for sale in the Classifieds if any one is interested.

From what I have read locating the nozzle too far back causes evap too early and doesn't leave as much cyl cooling, the main reason that I installed it.

Boost is currently set to activate at 10 psi mani pressure. 'ON' LED is installed in the cowl. Pump, tap, & pressure sw are located down in the bumper behind the drivers side foglight.

Here's a few pics I took before the pressure switch arrived today. (Pressure sw not shown but it is mounted down by the pump)

Using 30% meth WWF for now. Fuel trims adjusted about -7% in a quick run. More dialing it in Monday. 25 psi boost.





how did you install that nozzle.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 09:58 PM
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The first location was in the MAF relocate block off plate on a ZZP Lower Charge Pipe., Drilled an 11/32" hole and used a 1/8/27 pipe tap.

Second (current location) is before the IAT2 / Boost sensor in the elbow of the charge pipe. I plugged the first spot off with a pipe plug.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 10:08 PM
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The spray dosnt mess with the iat2 sensor?
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Old May 7, 2011 | 11:04 PM
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No, I think you are confusing it with a MAF or Mass Air Flow sensor. They can't stand the droplets.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 11:50 PM
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Oh ya lol meant the maf
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Old May 8, 2011 | 12:20 AM
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Just got mine in the mail today. So much going on, I haven't had much time to check it out. It is a used system and it looks like a couple things are missing (spray nozzle for one!) and no install instructions.

Anyone have a copy of the AIS install instructions I could have??? I don't even know how to wire up the controller and I've searched everywhere online.
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Old May 8, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Gremlin85
Just got mine in the mail today. So much going on, I haven't had much time to check it out. It is a used system and it looks like a couple things are missing (spray nozzle for one!) and no install instructions.

Anyone have a copy of the AIS install instructions I could have??? I don't even know how to wire up the controller and I've searched everywhere online.
I'll scan mine & email them to you later today as a PDF.

Oops, I just realized mine is just a Stage 1, you need the controller wiring. Sorry.

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Old May 8, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Iam Broke
I'll scan mine & email them to you later today as a PDF.

Oops, I just realized mine is just a Stage 1, you need the controller wiring. Sorry.
I believe it's stage 1. An old Stage 1, maybe? This is a pic I took when I unboxed it.

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Old May 8, 2011 | 12:23 PM
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Ya, it's got the pressure switch, the info I emailed you should work. I see the check valve. The nozzle holder (elbow) may have a nozzle in it. Can't tell from here.

If you want the larger 3 gal tank & my leftover fittings for $100 shipped let me know. I'll toss in the LED it came with too.
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Old May 8, 2011 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Iam Broke
Ya, it's got the pressure switch, the info I emailed you should work. I see the check valve. The nozzle holder (elbow) may have a nozzle in it. Can't tell from here.

If you want the larger 3 gal tank & my leftover fittings for $100 shipped let me know. I'll toss in the LED it came with too.
Thanks, Tom! Got the PDF and it's perfect.

I'm gonna go through everything again and double check what I have and what I'm missing. So far I need the fuse, LED, possibly a nozzle, wiring, and some hardware.

Thanks, but I was going to try out this tank setup first as it's probably all I'll need. Any chance I could purchase the fittings and LED separably or are you keeping it all together?
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Old May 8, 2011 | 01:07 PM
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Let me know what you need, I'll send the fittings. I think I have two pump fittings, 3/8 pipe to hose, 1 female & 1 male 1/8" NPT to 1/4" hose fitting, the LED it came with and the one I put on the cowl.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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You know what, just to be safe, I'll buy it all if that's okay? I'll send back anything I don't use if you want.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 01:07 PM
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You have a PM.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 07:34 PM
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Looks like the nozzle that came with my kit is going to be WAY too much. If I'm reading it correctly, it says "AI10" which I can assume is a 10gph nozzle... My application calls for 5gph MAX.

There goes another 20 bucks :/

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Old May 9, 2011 | 09:16 PM
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I dynoed mine tonight with some mixed results. First pull with no meth and added a 3" catback was 303whp and 368wtq. Down 15whp from my previous best of 318whp and 366wtq on 27psi.

The next pull the boost was lowered to 24psi and power dropped off huge with 280whp and 33x tq. WTF...my car with just an hp tune on 20psi and k+n put down 291whp and 311wtq.

After a few pulls on the meth the car came back up to 309whp with a best tq reading of 389wtq and that was all she was putting out. The meth was lowering the ait2 temps by 40 degrees and the car didnt like any timing added back into it as it would knock.

Dyno numbers aside...it hauls ass on the street which is all that really matters. I'm just stumped why my numbers were off from the same dyno and boost levels.

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Old May 9, 2011 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slowstang
I dynoed mine tonight with some mixed results. First pull with no meth and added a 3" catback was 303whp and 368wtq. Down 15whp from my previous best of 318whp and 366wtq on 27psi.

The next pull the boost was lowered to 24psi and power dropped off huge with 280whp and 33x tq. WTF...my car with just an hp tune on 20psi and k+n put down 291whp and 311wtq.

After a few pulls on the meth the car came back up to 309whp with a best tq reading of 389wtq and that was all she was putting out. The meth was lowering the ait2 temps by 40 degrees and the car didnt like any timing added back into it as it would knock.

Dyno numbers aside...it hauls ass on the street which is all that really matters. I'm just stumped why my numbers were off from the same dyno and boost levels.
What are you using to alter boost?
When do you have the meth coming in, what boost level?
What mix of meth and water are you using?
Whats the weather like compared to your last dyno of the 318whp?
What gph nozzle are you using?
Are you ramping up the timing smoothly and have you adjust fuel trims?

Just trying to see what we can do to maximize your gains.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gremlin85
What are you using to alter boost?
When do you have the meth coming in, what boost level?
What mix of meth and water are you using?
Whats the weather like compared to your last dyno of the 318whp?
What gph nozzle are you using?
Are you ramping up the timing smoothly and have you adjust fuel trims?

Just trying to see what we can do to maximize your gains.
1) Before - welding tip. Now - HP tuners new wastegate tables
2) 6psi start and full by 16psi
3) Snow Performance Boost Juice
4) Weather - 318 was in the winter time in 30 some odd degree weather and today's dyno was about 70 degrees. We compared uncorrected numbers and the split was about the same. My first HP tune of 291whp with the k+n was in the heat of the summer.
5)I'm currently using the 15gph nozzle that AIS recommended with the kit. *Edit* After looking at the nozzle you posted i'm pretty sure mine says A150 or something along those lines. I'll check tomorrow to make sure. The first pull with the meth on netted a 10.2 afr so i'm thinking it's probably the 15.
6)As far as timing i'm not the tuner. I pick his brain on what's going on. It sounds like the car is at 10 degrees under max boost and the timing rises as the boost drops. The car is currently at 14 degrees top end. With 16 degrees it knocked and didnt make anymore power.

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Old May 9, 2011 | 10:06 PM
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Combining a good balance between DAL's, MALT and the wastegate tables makes for a really smooth and steady boost. Also Torque per gear can help. I'm not sure how your tuner is going about it all, so I'll leave that be.

You're maxing boost at 24-27? I'd have the meth come on a little later, say 10-15psi.

15gph? Maybe too much? But then again, if you're trying to ramp up timing and it's knocking, then it's the opposite? I'm a little confused on that. I've talked with Devils Own and AIS and both recommended a 5gph nozzle for boosts up to 26psi....

Maybe someone else could chime in here to see what we can do... If the car feels stronger and seems to be faster than I say stick with it.

I dunno. Just spit-balling some.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 10:14 PM
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:EDIT:

Also, on second thought, maybe try and cut back on the meth.. make it more of a 60/40 or a 70/30 water to meth? Might help?
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Old May 9, 2011 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Gremlin85
Combining a good balance between DAL's, MALT and the wastegate tables makes for a really smooth and steady boost. Also Torque per gear can help. I'm not sure how your tuner is going about it all, so I'll leave that be.

You're maxing boost at 24-27? I'd have the meth come on a little later, say 10-15psi.

15gph? Maybe too much? But then again, if you're trying to ramp up timing and it's knocking, then it's the opposite? I'm a little confused on that. I've talked with Devils Own and AIS and both recommended a 5gph nozzle for boosts up to 26psi....

Maybe someone else could chime in here to see what we can do... If the car feels stronger and seems to be faster than I say stick with it.

I dunno. Just spit-balling some.
I edited my post after you posted. It could be a 5gph and I just read it wrong. The AIS controller I have only goes up to 8psi for the start.

Don't get me wrong the car is running very well on the street...the dyno just didn't show it tonight
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Old May 9, 2011 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by slowstang
I edited my post after you posted. It could be a 5gph and I just read it wrong. The AIS controller I have only goes up to 8psi for the start.

Don't get me wrong the car is running very well on the street...the dyno just didn't show it tonight
I see. Alrighty then.

If it's doing well, even if the dyno doesn't show it then F it. Can't beat having the added piston protection and cooler IAT's anyway
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Old May 10, 2011 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Gremlin85
Looks like the nozzle that came with my kit is going to be WAY too much. If I'm reading it correctly, it says "AI10" which I can assume is a 10gph nozzle... My application calls for 5gph MAX.

There goes another 20 bucks :/
Ya, that's a 10 gpm all right.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Iam Broke
Did a 3rd & 4th gear pull tonight, fuel trims only changed a % or two for the most part. With 30% meth the IAT2's stayed real flat. I think I'll have to up it to 50% soon.
Where is the IAT2 sensor? In the intake manifold? My IAT2s went up to 200*F during a dyno pull, needless to say it didn't make much power....
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Old May 10, 2011 | 10:47 AM
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Where is the IAT2 sensor? In the intake manifold? My IAT2s went up to 200*F during a dyno pull, needless to say it didn't make much power....
In the lower charge pipe before the throttle body on Cobalts, not sure on a Sky. Prob the same.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Gremlin85 - i checked my nozzle today after work and it is a 15gph.
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