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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 06:08 PM
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that **** is ugly... sticks out lol and on top of that u took ur front bumper support off.. ur gonna be just like my friend. at a 20 mile an hour accident motor is pushed back into the firewall think about it begin a hard hit ***** oging threw the firewall and crush u
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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complete over kill. That would make a better radiator instead of an intercooler...
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Old Jun 5, 2009 | 02:40 AM
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I wounder what ZZP's Race IC is going to be like they want to remove the crash bar too..
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 01:21 AM
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i see this as completely overkill. very nice piece but honestly i dont see the need for it. probablyl going to take longer to hit full boost aswell. i got some custom parts going in within the next few weeks and an intercooler is one of them. im prototyping for a certain company thats well known for their sti stuff.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 03:53 PM
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There is DEFINITELY going to be a pressure drop with that massive intercooler.

Also, I dont like the design of the end tanks, and how the inlet and outlet are straight up 90 degree inlet and outlets to the core.

We've designed a intercooler for the Cobalt SS Turbo and it has beautiful smooth inlet and outlets that will funnel the air into and out of the intercooler with no turbulence. I cant wait to post photos of our production intercooler for the Cobalt.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 04:04 PM
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damn I thought my intercooler was big. That thing is terrible. I would hate for it to hang below the lip. I would hit it on everything. I'm not even lowered but I'm close to most 6" curbs.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 04:10 PM
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thats bigger than what was on a 10sec civic that ran last weekend!
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 04:30 PM
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That intercooler is huge... probably too big for 99% of the tc balt out there.

Most people here don't understand pressure losses. Big intercoolers usually = less pressure losses, but more volume to fill. The area for the flow of air is bigger, so that = less pressure losses. Because the intercooler is bigger (more volume) the air mass needed to fill it a x psi is greater than it is for the stock intercooler. So when the turbo spools, it takes more time to fill the intercooler so the boost will lag a bit more. However, the additional cooling will provide other benefits.

It's funny when maybe 1 out of 1000 on this board could put pressure losses in equations and don't know even the most basics fluid dynamics theories, but everyone are arguing about things like pressure losses, turbulence, cooling efficiency etc...
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 06:59 PM
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the intercooler is hanging low bc he hasnt bolted t up yet, look closely he even stated its being lisfter by those boxes, when its lifted up right it will fit flush with the lip, and yes that thing is massive, look ******* good though :
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 07:14 PM
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that is HHUUUUUUUGGGGEEEEE, lol.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Modernceo
There is DEFINITELY going to be a pressure drop with that massive intercooler.

Also, I dont like the design of the end tanks, and how the inlet and outlet are straight up 90 degree inlet and outlets to the core.

We've designed a intercooler for the Cobalt SS Turbo and it has beautiful smooth inlet and outlets that will funnel the air into and out of the intercooler with no turbulence. I cant wait to post photos of our production intercooler for the Cobalt.
cory, yes there will be pessure drop, but the point is to see if the IC will work or not - either with a bigger Turbo/ stock or biTurbo, and other bolt-on's as well..

S-Max has made a OEM spec unit has well, we will test this and compare both IC's, to see what unit will work best for this application... (S-Max, Hahn, Crazy Steve, etc..)

I will post all dyno sheets.

Originally Posted by umrdyldo
damn I thought my intercooler was big. That thing is terrible. I would hate for it to hang below the lip. I would hit it on everything. I'm not even lowered but I'm close to most 6" curbs.
if you read the post correctly - I used the box to show how it would fit, they haven't made brackets for the IC, this is a post-production unt.

Originally Posted by jb09ss
That intercooler is huge... probably too big for 99% of the tc balt out there.

Most people here don't understand pressure losses. Big intercoolers usually = less pressure losses, but more volume to fill. The area for the flow of air is bigger, so that = less pressure losses. Because the intercooler is bigger (more volume) the air mass needed to fill it a x psi is greater than it is for the stock intercooler. So when the turbo spools, it takes more time to fill the intercooler so the boost will lag a bit more. However, the additional cooling will provide other benefits.

It's funny when maybe 1 out of 1000 on this board could put pressure losses in equations and don't know even the most basics fluid dynamics theories, but everyone are arguing about things like pressure losses, turbulence, cooling efficiency etc...
this is true, the IC is big, but I looking to increase the turbo SPA 700 or bigger, which will keep T-Lag at bay..

Originally Posted by Jn2
the intercooler is hanging low bc he hasnt bolted t up yet, look closely he even stated its being lisfter by those boxes, when its lifted up right it will fit flush with the lip, and yes that thing is massive, look ******* good though :
Thank you for lookin out..
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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considering how were capped at 400whp that thing is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overkill
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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i diss like it but it looks to have one thing i like about it tho..
looks to have the co2 in let and out let on it.
my inter cooler is big but i still have my crash bar...
mines 26" long, like 13" tall and 3" wide and i still have full boost by 2600 rpm on my gt2871r
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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That intercooler is just ridiculous....I have seen 9 second cars that don't require ones that size...and they are putting out boost in the 30psi range...just saw a low 9 sec GN the other day and even it's intercooler was smaller

It is possible to have too much of a good thing.....as this intercooler clearly demonstrates.....good luck with it either way.
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
lmao, you don't think you'll have lag with with a gt35?

what are you going to do as far as fuel to support that big of a turbo?
I know I will have some Lag, but it will be small to not even notice..
as for GT30/35 or SPA 700.. it will make up in movin IC air vol..
fuel - either with dual DI or add DI with the stock unit on the mani..

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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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stupid , take it back off/
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxVQ35DE
considering how were capped at 400whp that thing is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overkill
yes but once the GMPP LNF stage kit comes out, and learn down has been removed, LNF can make 500 to 550 hp..

Originally Posted by agent007kimball
That intercooler is just ridiculous....I have seen 9 second cars that don't require ones that size...and they are putting out boost in the 30psi range...just saw a low 9 sec GN the other day and even it's intercooler was smaller

It is possible to have too much of a good thing.....as this intercooler clearly demonstrates.....good luck with it either way.
again big is good or bad depending on the application your using the IC for..
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by redstarpa69
yes but once the GMPP LNF stage kit comes out, and learn down has been removed, LNF can make 500 to 550 hp..
Personal opinion...that thing is freggin' huge for ANY setup on the Cobalt unless you're putting down WELL over 500WHP but props to ya for trying something different, I'm interested to see your results.

Secondly, removing the learn down is not the problem...fueling is. Good luck making anything much past the 400-420WHP region until that issue is addressed. The GM stage kit does not address it.

Originally Posted by Modernceo
There is DEFINITELY going to be a pressure drop with that massive intercooler.

Also, I dont like the design of the end tanks, and how the inlet and outlet are straight up 90 degree inlet and outlets to the core.

We've designed a intercooler for the Cobalt SS Turbo and it has beautiful smooth inlet and outlets that will funnel the air into and out of the intercooler with no turbulence. I cant wait to post photos of our production intercooler for the Cobalt.
Subscribed. /end thread jack.

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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 11:40 PM
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regardless man even with a GT 35 that intercooler is too big... you'd need like a gt 45 lol

however we'll see you ever goto island dragway?
i have a very strong feeling u dont know anything about turbos or whats needed to support them...

that FMIC will support a 35R no problem, i would bet money on it. as far as using it for a stock turbo, you might wanna turn the boost up or your gonna have a bit of lag from it.
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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Mnatvyc1223
i have a very strong feeling u dont know anything about turbos or whats needed to support them...

that FMIC will support a 35R no problem, i would bet money on it. as far as using it for a stock turbo, you might wanna turn the boost up or your gonna have a bit of lag from it.
i guess you failed to see the lol at the end of that to denote sarcasm yes a 35R would be fine on that front mount given that a 35R could easily take this car 500 whp yes .. it wouldn't be a problem.. and the added lag if any wouldn't be a huge difference as there would be some turbo lag already
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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 02:08 AM
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Wow, I feel like I'm back on the SRT4 forums when it was almost a competition to see who could fit the most ridiculous intercooler on their car

Like some other posters have said, someone just needs to make a high quality cast end tank IC for our car. Kinda like the ole DVDT Fab stuff for DSM's:

Sex...

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 04:54 AM
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redonkulous

Originally Posted by elecblue06
i guess you failed to see the lol at the end of that to denote sarcasm yes a 35R would be fine on that front mount given that a 35R could easily take this car 500 whp yes .. it wouldn't be a problem.. and the added lag if any wouldn't be a huge difference as there would be some turbo lag already
gee thanks for layin it out for me, you just said what i said. congrats, you are king of the intardwebz.

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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mnatvyc1223
redonkulous



gee thanks for layin it out for me, you just said what i said. congrats, you are king of the intardwebz.
wtf are you being a dick for ? i was agreeing with you .. i wasnt trying to one up you....
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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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that thing hangs down dangerously low under the front bumper
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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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so everybody can understand this is siting on a box - it isnt going to be mounted this way - it clears the front lip - for all the folks who PM'd me.. I will make mounting brackets for it asap..



i used the box to prop it up and show everybody how it fits to the front end..

and yes I will post dyno sheets..
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