Now you are either lying or you have a bad memory. I exchanged multiple PMs with you before you made a purchase. Perhaps you didn't realize that I work for ZZP at that time or there was some type of confusion. That might be possible because you responded with anti-zzp statements in your PMs. You didn't ask any technical questions.

 

Matt, if I confused some of your posts I apologize. I always said that your products are top of the line. If I've responded with some anti-zzp posts I apologize, the all thing is that I wasn't able to obtain the answers I was looking for. A lot of people are so devoted to you, there has to be a reason. I'm still interested in some of your products, if you are still willing to sell some stuff to me, I would be happy. The anti-zzp statements that I've posted were concerning only the poor customer service, that's it! I've never argued the quality of your products.
Now,if I'm willing to buy the head/cam combo from you, along with other stuff. Will I be able to get in touch with you regarding technical questions?

 

You are not following what I am saying. I'm not talking about anything that you said in any thread. I tried to offer customer service right up front and attempted to discuss your build with you before you purchased a turbo kit. You responded with anti-zzp statements in the PMs you sent me. In other words, you did not allow me to provide any type of customer service because you were not interested in it. For that reason, it might be best if you stopped repeating how awful our customer service is. It's possible that it's you and not us.

 

You are right. It is me, not zzp. I will stop posting awful comments about zzp in any post.
I wasn't interested in a turbo kit, that's why in fact I ended up buying one.

 

I don't get it. I'm talking about the way you responded when I PMd you to discuss selling you a turbo kit. Yet you just keep talking about posts.

Obviously you were interested in buying a turbo kit. Also, it's obvious that you were not interested in buying ours. Why can't you just admit that so that we can move on?

 

Matt, it's not that I wasn't interested in buying yours (which actually was also a little cheaper, which it was better for me), it is just that I felt more comfortable getting the werks kit because they were following me step by step. Why would I choose a more expensive kit? Because I like to waste money? I mean, give me a reason why I wouldn't be interested in yours. I know your kits are great, just like everything else you guys make and sell, I've always stated that, in fact I see on this forum a lot of people installing your products and being very happy about them. I just wanted to go with the vendor that gave me full support anytime of the day with prompt answers, like werks. Zzp often takes forever to answer, just like zooomer himself said more than ones (the best way to contact us is by email, which we will answer within 24 hours). Now, a person that spends 10k worth it of products and has problems with the material, is it right that he cannot use his car for 24 hours because he can't get an immediate answer from his vendor? This is my only point, which is not about quality. That is all, really!! It's not because I hate zzp. I'm considering getting a kit for my other SS, if you guys are willing to consider me as customer, when time comes to mod my other SS, I may consider getting your kit, I don't want to have two cars with the same stuff. If you are willing to consider me as your customer after all the "bad-mouthing" about zzp, I will take under consideration zzp products. Even for me it would be great to compare the power and quality between the 2 companies. I'm really serious. Let me know if you will look at me as a potential customer or, like you said, you don't think I'm a zzp customer.

If you want, I'm willing to PM you my number to show you that I'm serious, so we can discuss the head/cam combo for my second SS, plus we can start figuring out a plan to get a full kit for my first SS (full kit meaning turbo upgrade, head/cam combo, engine build, clutch and all the other things involving a project like that)

 

I think that's a great idea. Seeing that this back and forth about the past has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread it would be great for you guys to hash it out on the phone rather than a forum.

 

And this is where you are seriously mistaken. When people spend $10k and get a build done at ZZP, we give them excellent customer service. If you want some examples, talk to Scythe_Snake who would sometimes call my cell phone at midnight to ask a question about his car. Talk to TurboSS who calls up Ryan on his cell phone when he needs something. We had an LNF upgrade customer who's tuner accidentally flashed over the base file on his ECM and I dropped what I was doing to get a new file flashed and rushed to UPS, banging on the door to drop off a next-day-air package at 8:05 PM. I can come up with many more examples if you like, but hopefully you get the idea. Is Werx going to treat you this well? Maybe, maybe not, but don't try to tell me that they offer great service after the sale and ZZP does not. For one, it took you 2 months to get your kit from them. Even after selling a LOT of turbo kits on black Friday, we still managed to catch up in much less time than it took you to get your kit. To me, that is a sign that they already had your money so they could start relaxing. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is how it appears. Either way, what I can say for sure is that when people work with ZZP, they get treated well. When they try to get a couple things from ZZP here and there, but act as if they know better than ZZP, we will let them figure things out on their own. After all, you can't have it both ways.

 

Well I understade you guys only selling the combo but a lot of people just want cams that's it I can't do 2g for the combo. Its hard times right now. By the way I love zzp bought a lot of stuff from them and always helpful to me

 

I would question the sincertity of your posts because this has been answered in great detail on our site on the product page.
I fully understand and I think that is a lot of people's frustration. However, in the grand scheme of things how much sense does it make to be upset with ZZP? We're the only ones doing a lot of this stuff and in return we get yelled at for how we're doing it. I personally would like to see people upset with vendors that sell a few things like downpipes or intakes and then pocket all the money, only to run to the next market. You don't think it's frustrating for ZZP to watch people buy a madbab downpipe for $5 less and then complain on why it's taking ZZP so long to come out with things? Well, think about it. It takes money to develop parts. When people support vendors who do not support the community back, that is what you get.

 

We're getting further and further from the point of this thread into more general areas of discontent. I'd like to keep this focused on results for the Head/Cam combo if at all possible.

 

I personally have had great communications with ZZP. all my emails have been within a day. pricing quotes and everything is spot on. They get my money when I am ready to throw down on my kit.

 

I'm not disputing any of that at all here. Let's get back on topic.

 

It is on topic, your whole point is to bash ZPP any way you can, so defending them is on topic. Thanks for trying to control the interwebz.

 

This coming from someone that is proud to list that he is an ******* on his public profile? Yeah. I'm gonna take you seriously. Congrats you now have 411 posts.

 

That's about as relevant as me saying that I would believe someone from Mass.

That's 412 for you since you are showing off your 1337 math skillz.

 

if this is a serious post i apologize for accusing you of alterior motives...

everyone needs to accept the fact the some companies are not willing to make product changes/ selling alterations. its a combo deal. if they only want to tune your vehicle with the combo buy it then re-tune after the fact. if they claim x hp vs another products x hp, and you do not like it dont buy it.

 

Nobody is asking for a comparison between their product and someone else's. We've just been asking for the proof to support their claims of HP made with the ZZP ported head/S1 cams combo, in order to justify the expense. ZZP won't provide any dyno graphs that show before and after testing to back up their numbers. The ones they've pointed to don't show a direct comparison. So instead of cooperating and providing potential customers with what they're asking for, we get petulance and mud slinging instead. To make matters worse, people, such as yourself, don't bother reading the first post in order to understand what is being asked. Instead you read the last page or two and then chip in your two cents. Most of the time, these comments end up being misguided and way off point.

 

i read the whole thread. i wasnt comparing their hp to another company hp
i was saying if they claim 100hp over stock but yet a tune can yeild 70hp then they merely dont want to put it that way. with that being said dont buy it if you dont like the small hp for your money. end of discussion i dont know why anyone is beating it into the ground

 

I really wasn't asking for your advice. Until someone shows gains made with the product I won't even consider buying it. That's the only point being made here.

 

then your point has been made. /end thread

 

then **** off and make your own cams/head combo

 

Wow. You all have such a hardon for typing "/thread".

If the results were posted then it would be the end of the thread. Just because I'm keeping the thread on topic doesn't constitute an end to the discussion.

 

Maybe if I owned a machine shop I would. But I don't.

 

Your constant crying and whining about wanting something they do not want to give you is not a very good thread.... But I know you don't care about anything but your hard on for zzp...

Go hire one to do the work for you then.