Only thing that gets me is this all started as CAMS, how did this become an assembled head with cams that is also ported and requires tuning, of which even then the gain posted scratches heads because it contains no measurements of a similar tune without cams or even a cammed tune at stock pressure levels. Are we paying for a cam or a tune?

I've spent SOME money on zzp, mostly on non performance items, as so far my two biggest power adders are the w/m and tune.

This all said, I tried JUST the LE5 exhaust cam, and only because of the pain in the ass it was to get it in and deal with tuning around tables I don't have access to with hpt...(another rant) as the reason I didn't take it out. Difference was negligible at best, gaining only in the top end if at all. Now I know full well that doesn't do a cam swap justice, the profile difference is ALSO negligible and I obvious didn't touch the intake cam.

However, to end my inquiry, all I want to see is a tune on a non cammed ss/tc set at a similar psi to one with the zzp cam/head package, with the same lambda and timing tables if you can. I know that is asking alot but doesn't SOMEBODY the frequents your shop have a tc without cams that can donate the time?

 

IMO scarab started an account (or at least posts) so he can show off his work in a "I'm not a vendor, or selling anything....but i can build this for you if you pay me" fashion.

That being said, he is a very high quality engine builder, so yes, i'd say its a safe bet that he knows how engines work and how cams influence engine characteristics.

 

The same reason everyone else opened an account.
Yes.
Yes.
I don't know how any of this is relevant to the discussion here.

 

I'm not a vendor and I have nothing to sell. I'm not sponsored either. I pay for everything out of pocket. To date, I have not made any posts on this forum to show off what has been done to the car. I started a Facebook page for that.

 

That's kinda a lie but I didn't get the impression you were trying to promote other people. Showing off your stuff, yea.

 

NHigh quality engine builder? He pays other people to work on his car for him Lmfao

 

What the hell are you talking about? My original post that kicked off a shitstorm a few weeks ago was not showing off anything. All I was doing was encouraging the OP of that thread to try porting the head. The details of my build were introduced by you actually when you posted the link to my FB page and I still don't know why you bothered to do that. It wasn't relevant to the discussion at the time and it's still not relevant to this thread. I'm not talking about my own project here at all.

 

That's correct and I've never tried to hide that fact at all. I could care less if people think less of me because I don't wrench on my own vehicle.

I think HunterKiller was being sarcastic btw.

 

Right, you were showing off your build and your ported head setup, that's exactly why you posted and what you talked about post #1.

 

/done talking about it.

 

funny enough, i was thinking of a different poster when i stated my opinion of scarab. So, it wasn't sarcasm initially, but i retract the whole post.
I would say Scarab probably knows his stuff, but is kind of (or was) a troll on the topics. He's clearly stubborn, but intelligent (in his case i would say his stubborn-ness > his logic though).
Regardless, im sure he knows how engines work, and knows at least a general idea of how various changes in camshaft profiles affect the behavior of the engine.


who's the guy im thinking of who isnt a vendor but always talks about the custom parts he makes that are higher quality than anything else in the market?

 

I think his name is Mike, I cant remember the account name but i think there was a "mike" in the name itself. But he was in one or a few of the threads about zzp longtube header, or ottp longtube... Talking about all the different designs and how one or both arent the best design and he could do better and yada yada. He says he goes for "looks, function, and quality." I'll see if I can find it.

 

all_motor_mike is his name

Cobalt SS Network - View Profile: all_motor_mike

theres a link to his css profile page.

 

WE do tunes over mail for LNF's all the time. It's how the majority of people are getting them.

The LE5 cam is nearly identical to the LNF, you're not going to notice a difference.

 

I am very interested in this combo. Just I would like BYT to eventually tune the car for me, because I can't drive all the way to zzp, I'm in NY and they are too far. I'm really considering to get this combo during the summer.

 

You do not need to come to ZZP to have the car tuned, we just have to control the file.

Please stop PM'ing me and asking about doing your own tunes or having someone else tune it. I guarantee you that no one is going to out tune ZZP on products we developed and no one else has ever used before.

 

So does anyone have this installed and tested yet Zoomer?

 

well if it blows up that voids any liability on your part aint it? if they tune it that is

 

Ok, sorry, I will not. Sorry if I was trying to gain some info before spending 2k plus labor

 

Oh snap!

 

lol

 

Ok, got it.
So did you guys understand? If you are willing to invest thousands of dollars in your car, you are not allowed to ask questions. Is that clear?

I'm not trying to throw crap at zzp, because their products really rock, but damn a better service for customers willing to spend thousands would be appreciated

 

Well it's been made clear by anyone that can comprehend the English language as to the terms of the sale: Their parts, their tune. The fact that you and others are apparently asking over and over the same thing would get annoying to anyone.

Do you want to buy their kit the way it is listed? I am sure they will answer your questions as they have done mine. You're not willing to spend thousands with them because you are wanting to break apart their package deal. Are you still going to buy it now that you know they will not break it apart? If so then I am sure any questions you have will be answered, like I said, as mine were...

 

I'm not trying to brake their package, because they already said that shortly they will be selling the cams alone, without having to get the all combo. I was getting like that because if I have to get a preset tune that comes with the head/cam combo, I don't want the tune based on the stock engine plus the head/cam combo, because if i have a turbo upgrade and the engine built, I want a tune that works with all the mods that I have

For example: they sell just the cams for the LSJ, and that's great!!! But they should do the same for the LNF. They should put on the market just the cams for the LNF!!! That would be a good deal, not the all combo including head and tune. Why the LSJ people can buy only the cams and LNF people can't?

 

i guess we all start a screen name so we can start **** with vendors?
i guess you know how to run a business better than zzp, or advertise a product to gain new customers better than them. ask them if they need a pr guy you would make them millions.
lmao at all the ppl who never said anything about zzp before but now just want to be part of the action......
has one single forum member ever got screwed over by zzp?