Mike does fantastic work, he knows what he is doing.

He is also 100% right, I could pick out quite a few things that could make both of those headers better.

This is the header he built me, so yes, he can build a better header than OTTP and ZZP.

 

my point was that he is not a vendor, and while he does not exactly advertise his work as a product, he showcases it a lot and mentions how he can make them for other members... he needs to be a sponsor to do this IMO. You're the perfect example...he built you a header, yet he is not a sponsor on this board. Given you are in ontario and he is in arizona, im assuming you heard of him through this forum and saw the work he flaunts?

 

Did you even read what you quoted? He said not to PM him asking about buying it without the tune. It's the way it is sold. Why is it such a big deal that we sell it that way?

 

That header is unnecessarily long, harder to install, and more expensive. The comment that he "can build a better header than ZZP" is also false.

I'm not sure why headers are in this thread, though...

 

Negative, I found him on j-body.org and made the transition while we where both on that site.

 

Probably because zzp wasn't able to build the cams that alone would make a difference

 

When there was something wrong about zzp, like customer service, i was always the first one to say it.
Just like i'm the first one saying that their products are great.
Just the fact is that if your products are great, does not mean your customer service is great as well.

 

Why? I will tell you why:
is the PCM tuned according to the stock engine and turbo, with just the addiction of your head/cam combo?
What about if I want a different tune because I have a precision 58/57 turbo kit and the all engine built? Can I have my PCM tuned accordingly or not? That's my question that nobody seems to understand, not because I want to bust zzp's *****. I'm very interested in this combo, seriously, I'm not a guy that asks endless questions for no reason, but since i have a turbo kit and planning to build the motor, this is a question that was going thru my head

 

On this, I fully agree with you

 

You have never been a ZZP customer, so please do not judge our customer service.

 

The fact that you are even asking that question tells me that you know very little about ZZP. If you have a radical build, we would obviously set up the ECM accordingly.

 

I've bought 3 things from zzp. But that's common to try to push away unhappy customers and keep around only the happy customers, so the feedback received is only positive. Plus, to consider getting the head/cam combo, what do you think?

 

See? How easy it was to answer that? I was asking because it is not mentioned on the head/cam combo page.
And if i know only a very little about ZZP is because everytime I needed clarifications, I was never able to get answers and I had to end up getting my mods somewhere else

 

Ive never had a problem with any vendor, and I've bought from both zzp and ottp... as well as others... I plan on buying the rest of my stuff from zzp though.

I dont let others influence my decision... If I want something, I'm going to get it, as long as the product is of good quality, and my experience goes well.

All in all, ZZP has advanced our community further than anyone else has... They are part of the reason we are all here. If you have a problem, talk to them about it. Dont make it public. You cant control everything, and if you look hard enough you could find a problem with anything. That is life my friends.

Anyways, as for the header. Im picking up ZZP's Longtube, with their 3in Catback for the perfect fit. Because thats what I want, and it's my car.

 

Hey! Hey everybody! ...shhh...that is all.


...ZZP FTW

 

In fact I've never said zzp products are bad, actually I've always stated the opposite. If the biggest majority on this forum say zzp is one of the best products, there has to be a reason.

As a matter of fact, I'm very interested in this combo, that's why I'm trying to gain as much info as possible before spending 2k

 

I never said you said they were bad, just stating my opinion, and response to this whole page as a whole.

Like I said, I've had no bad experience with any vendors, and I've never had anything to really complain about. So I dont really know how any of you feel in terms of that. But what I can say, is that in time more things will be readily available, as well as independently rather than in packages. This whole product is rather new, so just wait... And if you had the time/cash I'd rather have ZZP do it anyways. But sometimes the distance doesnt make it reasonable.

Just my .02 everyone else can do what they want.

That's understandable. 2k isnt a small amount to me, so of course you want to know as much as you can before dropping the cash. You have to pay to play though, and with it being a new product, sometimes you have to wait til its readily available in different forms. Im sure if you give em a call they'll help you as much as they can.

 

Sorry, my last post wasn't for you

 

No worries man, Im just not a fan of all this bashing going on here. I know people have questions, comments, and concerns, but some people need to learn to be patient and stop being so impulsive.

The world still turns, if this **** is so important to you a few extra days wont mean much in the end.

 

I believe that ZZP made it very clear on their product page that the tuning was included with the package and how to go about getting it ordered.

I've copied it here so that you can read it for yourself:

"We only sell our combo with a tune. We can update your existing tune if you need to keep aspects of what you currently have. The ported head and stage 1 cams do not require a tune to run or idle, but we are adding this to the combo to ensure that maximum performance is achieved. Cam phasing, fueling, timing are all altered to maximize the combo. We will need to know what other modifications are done to the vehicle and how much boost you plan on running.

How do I get the tune?

Send in your PCM or pay a core charge and we can send you one first. We can also edit your HPT file and email back if you have HP tuners. There is no discount regardless of how we do the tune. Dyno tuning here at ZZP is extra."

My only problem with this is that the tuning changes required are all done in HPT. Any tuner with the knowledge to make the adjustments should be able to. Keeping it a secret is stupid since all it takes is for one person to read the file and note the changes made from their previous file. Rather than keep up this attitude of "nobody can tune our products better than we can", it makes more sense to just provide the customer with the instructions on getting the tune maximized and let them tweak it themselves. There are too many variables to account for with mailing a tune to a customer IMO.

 

I think that contacted you when you were looking to purchase a turbo upgrade kit, and you were more interested in bad-mouthing ZZP than discussing a plan for your build. Based on that experience, I feel it is safe to say that you are not a ZZP customer.

 

That is completely false. See my post above.

 

Yes!!! Do you think I bad-mouth zzp because i have nothing else better to do during the day? Or because I've spent a lot of time trying to call or sending emails to ask info about your products???? If that is my opinion about zzp, why would I PM you about this head/cam combo? Let me take a guess: maybe because I'm interested in it? Or because I like to waste my time and your time?
I always said your stuff is great, but a customer needs answers Matt. Let's say I buy your stage 3 turbo, together with the intercooler, exhaust, clutch and other things, it is obvious that I need to ask some questions.
As you can see, for a 2k product, I've been told "stop PMing me" for 3 PMs I sent. Should I be happy about this customer service? This head/cam combo is a new products, that no one else has, so it may be normal that since something like that was never on the market, a customer can have some questions about it.
Again, I consider you one of the top companies, that's why I keep being interested in your products.
Please don't take me wrong, I'm interested in zzp products too, like other people.

 

No one really contacted me. They contacted me only after I bought my Autowerks kit. The PM I've got from somebody at zzp (I don't remember who) said "zzp is the only way to go if you're looking to make 500-600hp". But that was after I got the kit somewhere else!! If I would have got that info before, maybe.......

 

you keep saying that, but you ignore the rest of the sentence that Zoom typed. He said to stop PMing him asking to buy the kit in a way that we do not sell it.