After all that!
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I would never increase the compression with pistons without first putting in sleeves. you'll crack that bitch in half, 7250rpm is about 50-75rpm to high, especially on an 05 with 106k miles. And yes the GMS3 kits are rich because it's safer to be rich than lean, different elevations and climates differ it. get a custom tune next time it's obviously better. I have f*cked with my ss soooo much and not 1 problem from it in 2 years. you can check your tensioner to see if it broke so it doesn't have to be a "might have been your tensioner" situation.
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that's staged u seem like the only reasonable voice here. I still like that GM stage kit. I might just have vince custom GMS3 me. so i can run mild cam's all head work and maybe leave the bottom end stock idk yet. still gotta see what the hell i broke
what would u guys replace at this point? how do i tell if my stock sleeves are still strong?
I really don't wanna put 5+K in this motor. plain and simple.
what would u guys replace at this point? how do i tell if my stock sleeves are still strong?
I really don't wanna put 5+K in this motor. plain and simple.
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I'm upgrading my valve springs this winter. I don't want to run the risk of floating a vlave or worse dropping a valve. I like reving out past 7K just for the better feel of the car when it falls into the next gear (keeps the car in sweet spot of the powerband). You have the perfect opportunity now to upgrade your valvetrain and do things right. Good luck man!
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Dude I told you multiple times how to go about making the power you want on the m62 and stock motor. We just told you if you wanted bigger power to go turbo instead of strapping on nitrous but you don't listen and had your mine set which is fine live and learn I guess. But to say you tried for help and all we said was go turbo is just ignorance. Ask your girlfriend or everybody that's been at the meets, your girlfriend was even laughing because we kept having to repeat how to achieve your goal. I also like how when you showed up with your car weds making noise and running like crap we asked if you were racing your heating on it you said you were just cruising on the highway and now you were stomping a 2010 m3. Good luck with your car though you apparently only want advice that supports what you already have your mind set too.
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no because pistons would obviously be in addition to any pulley drops, you can run on the hub on an m62 and it would still fall on it's face at 20psi. tvs is a different story, look at most turbo builds, some people's sleeves/pistons took a ****. your theory of detonation is false because that would imply that with the proper afr, and the best spark plugs you can run infinite boost. no one can predict when **** goes wrong man.
Prove it! mileage has nothing to do with it unless you beat the crap out of it. As I have stated already mine has 165k+ miles and my motor is still kicking. Please say it is my power level, cuz I can guarantee that I make near double what you do.
if you want a built and badass motor that you think you need, you will need to put near 5k and probably far more.
Thank you for saying this, it really is the tune and abuse that the owner puts it through.
Supposed to be and actually are 2 very different things, and if you have just a GMS3 and have other mods it could very well be too lean or the injector sticks or fuel pressure drop from bad pump or... etc.
I recommend you should sell it and just get something new since your car is soooo old cuz it has more than 100k miles
most people wont know what that says ebristol but its definitely not 11.4 in the mid range, quite a bit leaner.
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if you want a built and badass motor that you think you need, you will need to put near 5k and probably far more.
I recommend you should sell it and just get something new since your car is soooo old cuz it has more than 100k miles
most people wont know what that says ebristol but its definitely not 11.4 in the mid range, quite a bit leaner.
l8r,
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Prove it! mileage has nothing to do with it unless you beat the crap out of it. As I have stated already mine has 165k+ miles and my motor is still kicking. Please say it is my power level, cuz I can guarantee that I make near double what you do.
if you want a built and badass motor that you think you need, you will need to put near 5k and probably far more.
Thank you for saying this, it really is the tune and abuse that the owner puts it through.
Supposed to be and actually are 2 very different things, and if you have just a GMS3 and have other mods it could very well be too lean or the injector sticks or fuel pressure drop from bad pump or... etc.
I recommend you should sell it and just get something new since your car is soooo old cuz it has more than 100k miles
most people wont know what that says ebristol but its definitely not 11.4 in the mid range, quite a bit leaner.
l8r,
PD
if you want a built and badass motor that you think you need, you will need to put near 5k and probably far more.
Thank you for saying this, it really is the tune and abuse that the owner puts it through.
Supposed to be and actually are 2 very different things, and if you have just a GMS3 and have other mods it could very well be too lean or the injector sticks or fuel pressure drop from bad pump or... etc.
I recommend you should sell it and just get something new since your car is soooo old cuz it has more than 100k miles
most people wont know what that says ebristol but its definitely not 11.4 in the mid range, quite a bit leaner.
l8r,
PD
Are you trying to intimidate me with your cars power?? Really??
Just because your car is fine at 100K+ does not mean everyone elses is running as well.
It's common sense that a motor with 100K+ is bound to have **** break eventually. Just because you havent doesnt mean it cant/wont happen.
I have been GMR Stage 3+ longer than a lot of people on this site. I have performed plenty of logs on my car. I consider my mid range in the 5500 rpm area considering what I rev to. I know it is in the low 12's high 11's below that.
My cars logs are as follows:
12.2-11.9 from 4500-5000 rpm, 11.9-11.6 from 5000-5500 rpm, 11.4 from 5500-6500 rpm, & 11.3 from 6500-7000 rpm.
It goes to almost 11 flat after 7000 rpm (I rev to 7500rpm).
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point of fact, if staged07 is running similar mods to my 07, hes making around 275 whp, so in order to be making double you would have to hit 550 whp. fairly sure the 500+ whp cars can be counted on one hand.
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My car makes 273whp on 93 octane, and close to 285whp on race gas.
I don't run the M62 which most members know by now.
I'm not making crazy power obviously, but I don't understand why he thought he should attack me with "my car makes more power than your car"..... It had nothing to do with what I was gettting at in my post.
Nor was I bragging about my cars power level ::shrugs::
That is on an 06/07 Redline. It could be difference for other years and other platforms.
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My logs are fairly close to the table....
I should have been more clear in my post when I said 11.4 in the midrange. My car carries 11.4 for most of the powerband, and richens up to 11.3 & finally 11.0ish up top (past 7K).
My cars logs are as follows:
12.2-11.9 from 4500-5000 rpm, 11.9-11.6 from 5000-5500 rpm, 11.4 from 5500-6500 rpm, & 11.3 from 6500-7000 rpm.
It goes to almost 11 flat after 7000 rpm (I rev to 7500rpm).
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Are you trying to intimidate me with your cars power?? Really??
Just because your car is fine at 100K+ does not mean everyone elses is running as well.
It's common sense that a motor with 100K+ is bound to have **** break eventually. Just because you havent doesnt mean it cant/wont happen.
Just because your car is fine at 100K+ does not mean everyone elses is running as well.
It's common sense that a motor with 100K+ is bound to have **** break eventually. Just because you havent doesnt mean it cant/wont happen.
You say that it is common sense that things will break eventually after 100k? if that were true then why is there a warranty for things under 100k? Its common sense that cars will break, more so if they have been modded and the more mods done the higher the chance of breaking.
also, there are tons of cars that have crossed over 500k or even a million miles, 100k is just the tip of the iceberg if you treat it right, do PM and care for them as necessary.
Just because 99% of cobalts will never see horsepower past where the stage kits get them. Some of us have had these cars for a long time and saved and spent a lot of money on these things and it has paid off.
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I wasnt attacking you, I wasnt attempting to intimidate you with my HP, I was simply trying to say that his horsepower level isnt what caused his motor to blow because I have more miles and more power and it has not happened to me yet. I also have an amazing tuner and I know enough about tuning to save my car if I notice something going wrong.
You say that it is common sense that things will break eventually after 100k? if that were true then why is there a warranty for things under 100k? Its common sense that cars will break, more so if they have been modded and the more mods done the higher the chance of breaking.
also, there are tons of cars that have crossed over 500k or even a million miles, 100k is just the tip of the iceberg if you treat it right, do PM and care for them as necessary.
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You say that it is common sense that things will break eventually after 100k? if that were true then why is there a warranty for things under 100k? Its common sense that cars will break, more so if they have been modded and the more mods done the higher the chance of breaking.
also, there are tons of cars that have crossed over 500k or even a million miles, 100k is just the tip of the iceberg if you treat it right, do PM and care for them as necessary.
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You said that you hoped I would say that. Please read what you said to me in your first post towards me.
I never said 100K+ is the magical number for things to break either, but it is a point where the risk becomes greater, and potentially happen. A lot of it depends on how well you maintain the car to (also build variences can be a lead factor). We don't know for sure how well the OP maintained his car, or his driving styles.
Hell, my first car (1992 Cavalier RS) when I turned 16 exceeded 250,000 miles once I got to college. I sold it, and it lived on to 300,000 miles before getting into an accident. If you maintain a car, and treat it well, it could potentially last forever.
There have been some good points made by you, me, and other knowledgeable members throughout this thread. Lets see how the OP's engine tear down and rebuild go. There is no need for anymore bickering over what caused his issue.
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so in one week you went from i hate my car its got alot of mileage and is a piece of junk i want a high horsepower newer car
to
i love my car its so fun i dont want to get rid of it im gonna build it to the moon?
do YOU know what you want?
to
i love my car its so fun i dont want to get rid of it im gonna build it to the moon?
do YOU know what you want?
