View Poll Results: Those who have it. Which is better?
Stage 1 with smaller pulley



18
39.13%
stage 2



28
60.87%
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GM Stage 1/2 Thread: Merged
Originally Posted by ENUFPWR
Anybody monitor the timming when doing the dyno runs? Would like to see how much timming they took out with the reflash. There are a ton of boost limiters built into the ECM that could cause timming to be taken out.
Originally Posted by FAST06SS
No crow sir, ONLY ON THE 1-2 shift is it raised
No big deal, you all will be crying for a custom tune soon enough
Oh, i like good ol' BEER with my crow!
)
No big deal, you all will be crying for a custom tune soon enough
Oh, i like good ol' BEER with my crow!
)
We were thinking the same thing!! Figure they would pull more timing to protect the engine from the morons who don't run good fuel.
Hope this is not the normal gain!! I am dynoing a cobalt next wed. w/stage 2 kit and CAI installed. I'll dyno my car right after his car and compare the 2
Hope this is not the normal gain!! I am dynoing a cobalt next wed. w/stage 2 kit and CAI installed. I'll dyno my car right after his car and compare the 2
Originally Posted by FAST06SS
We were thinking the same thing!! Figure they would pull more timing to protect the engine from the morons who don't run good fuel.
Hope this is not the normal gain!! I am dynoing a cobalt next wed. w/stage 2 kit and CAI installed. I'll dyno my car right after his car and compare the 2
Hope this is not the normal gain!! I am dynoing a cobalt next wed. w/stage 2 kit and CAI installed. I'll dyno my car right after his car and compare the 2

WOOOOHOOOOOO! LOL
I can't wait to see your car!!
Guys, that came from an owner who has the kit installed on his cobalt! Like i said, i could care less as i'm going to tune my own PCM!!!
I will be shifting at 7500 minimum!!!!!!!!!!! After valve spring install of course
I live for the day of no more "EXTREME FUEL ENRICHMENT" in the PE vs TIME vs RPM fuel tables.
I will be shifting at 7500 minimum!!!!!!!!!!! After valve spring install of course
I live for the day of no more "EXTREME FUEL ENRICHMENT" in the PE vs TIME vs RPM fuel tables.
Originally Posted by FAST06SS
Guys, that came from an owner who has the kit installed on his cobalt! Like i said, i could care less as i'm going to tune my own PCM!!!
I will be shifting at 7500 minimum!!!!!!!!!!! After valve spring install of course
I live for the day of no more "EXTREME FUEL ENRICHMENT" in the PE vs TIME vs RPM fuel tables.
I will be shifting at 7500 minimum!!!!!!!!!!! After valve spring install of course
I live for the day of no more "EXTREME FUEL ENRICHMENT" in the PE vs TIME vs RPM fuel tables.
Here is the 1-2 shift

And here is the 2-3 shift

I don't have a pic but it also redlined at 7,000 in third.
Don't the Tech2 device only reading what the PCM is programmed for ? Why when you tune on a dyno and do an RPM base adjustement (for say at 3000 RPM) on the rollers, then going WOT on the dyno, then the cut-off is coming at 6500 RPM on the car's tach, but 6350 on the dyno ? Which one is more accurate ?
I think GM raise the rev limiter by 5%, not more.
I think GM raise the rev limiter by 5%, not more.
why is everyone saying that this kits aren't producing enough, when no one knows how GM reflashed the computer, just becasue they have money doesn't mean they did anything good, all they probably did was richen up air/fuel so the enging wouldn't blow with more psi.
Originally Posted by Jmc007
Great pictures. I have suspected from the first day I owned my Cobalt that the RPM isn't well calibrated, as long as the speed adjustement. Maybe I'm crazy too ahah.
I also see about a 300rpm difference between the 2 tachs!
So, with that being said, the pics confirm about a 200-300 rpm Increase in the rev limiter
Originally Posted by FAST06SS
The funny thing is, i have some logged data where i hit 7020 a couple times as well!!
When i hit the rev limiter a little to hard
It's all good either way
Relax guys!
When i hit the rev limiter a little to hard
It's all good either way
Originally Posted by FAST06SS
Go to the track or a dyno dammit!
I'm going to try to meet up with Enufpwr tomorrow and let him drive my car. That way he can compare it to his SS.
Originally Posted by FAST06SS
Thats why i have an aftermarket tach!!! It is driven STRAIGHT from the coil! The cluster and gauge are class2 serial data, aka:SLOW
I also see about a 300rpm difference between the 2 tachs!
So, with that being said, the pics confirm about a 200-300 rpm Increase in the rev limiter
I also see about a 300rpm difference between the 2 tachs!
So, with that being said, the pics confirm about a 200-300 rpm Increase in the rev limiter
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To start off with I am more upset at the Dyno results that I posted than anyone. I was really bummed when I saw the very disappointing numbers. Both of my dyno graphs are in my members gallery. I more than all of you want to be able to say that the person who did my test screwed it up badly. I asked him questions and he tried to say that measuring according to wheel speed would not skew the results. I don't know because I am new to tuning period. Remember that the fellow said I was boosting 5lbs more boost with good A\F ratios and there should have been much more hp. He said as it was said on here 1lb for 10hp. Where did it go?Having said that, I just got back from a long run on the freeway with some good sections from traffic lights where I gave it a good test.. This is what I found.
The CEL is gone. This car pulls much harder than before. The redline is 7,000rpm and the car moves like stink. I am going to try to find another dyno shop to try again but will have nothing to compare it to. I myself am not convinced of todays results. I am going to try to get at least a couple of other non stage 2 SS\SC cars together with me so we can do some comparing on a quiet road.
The last thing I want is for everybody to take back\cancel their kits. I will try this weekend to figure this all out as I as much as the rest of you want these kits to be all we waited for. I had big plans for my car and parts ordering is supposed to be on Monday. Sadly I am bummed out as equally as much as most of you, not counting those who want the kits to fail.
If people want questions answered just PM me. I will answer them.
victory_red_SS
The CEL is gone. This car pulls much harder than before. The redline is 7,000rpm and the car moves like stink. I am going to try to find another dyno shop to try again but will have nothing to compare it to. I myself am not convinced of todays results. I am going to try to get at least a couple of other non stage 2 SS\SC cars together with me so we can do some comparing on a quiet road.
The last thing I want is for everybody to take back\cancel their kits. I will try this weekend to figure this all out as I as much as the rest of you want these kits to be all we waited for. I had big plans for my car and parts ordering is supposed to be on Monday. Sadly I am bummed out as equally as much as most of you, not counting those who want the kits to fail.
If people want questions answered just PM me. I will answer them.
victory_red_SS
Originally Posted by 280Z1977
HMMM... so because I am right 99.9% of the time you try to get
me rebanned? That is childish.
Actually you are wrong again. How do you feel acceleration??? You said the key word rotational FORCE. So you are telling me you don't feel a Force but you feel distance divided by time???
me rebanned? That is childish.
Actually you are wrong again. How do you feel acceleration??? You said the key word rotational FORCE. So you are telling me you don't feel a Force but you feel distance divided by time???
Helpful Information = 0 ftlbs.
Actual Info , Pix or even proof you own a car = 0 hp.
Convinced you are always right = 0 mph.
You Leaving this thread / forum = Priceless
How about those stage kits for datsuns...... Troll > wasey
At least we have a tester and the numbers will get straightened out
I think I will wait for a wider assortment of Dyno slips before I pass judgement.
Also the main thing for many People is the reflash everything else you can buy aftermarket.
......Waiting on PCM comparison .....someone get cracking.

