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I am not a ricer, I am not a racer. I don't need giant HP numbers to feed my ego. You will never read of me bragging about "killing" some other car, I don't need that to know that I've built a good car.
I drive my car every day and what I care about is real-world performance. I couldn't care less about increasing my HP at 7000rpm because I will never take it that high.
This kit is interesting to me only because it will probably increase low/mid torque. That's what I want, that's the power we use every day, every time we accelerate.
Think about it, how much of the time you are in your car are you seriously getting on it? How much time do you spend in traffic or where you otherwise can't push it 100%?
I am building my car to perform all the time, everyday, not just that >1% of the time I am at WOT.
A lot of the guys here have built radical engines that are worse daily drivers than a stock SS/SC. Sure they are lightning fast but when you're just stuck in traffic they suck.
If I wanted a car that only made power from 3500+ I would have bought a civic. Ever driven a civic? They absolutely suck in traffic cause they got no low/mid torque and you've gotta wind the **** out of them to make any power. I am used to good old American V8 low/mid power and torque and that's what I want to improve in my car.
And I do realize that chassis dynos don't do well at low speeds. That is why I posted earlier that I would love to see engine dyno charts for this mod.
I am tired of people saying "You'll have Loads of low Mid Power with this kit". I just want proof, that's all. I am a scientist and won't spend the money on a kit because someone I don't know says it will improve what I want. I want to see some numbers.
I think that this is a great mod because I do believe it will give me what I am after. But you guys that are only interested in 3500+ rpm should realize that a turbo would be a better choice. Basic hot-rodding 101, the right turbo will outperform a SC at higher rpm because it doesn't have the parasitic losses of the SC. That is fact, not speculation. Once this kit is done and priced it will probably be better for racers to spend the same money on a turbo kit instead. Go to Banks' website and read up if you don't believe me.
So do me a favor and lay off the "For the record dynoing from 1000rpm is rediculus.." (not my spelling, BTW) I think I have thought this out well enough and written my beliefs well enough that anyone with basic intelligence can understand my point.
And I am not alone in this, Onyxd04Redline gets it too, + rep to ya guy!
Go ahead and flame me but do us all a favor and think it out before you post, use good grammar and spelling, and at least try to make sense.
Randy
'05 Yellow SS/SC
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You guys are starting to **** me off. How about a little bit of an open mind, how about considering that not every single guy here is looking for the same thing?
I am not a ricer, I am not a racer. I don't need giant HP numbers to feed my ego. You will never read of me bragging about "killing" some other car, I don't need that to know that I've built a good car.
I drive my car every day and what I care about is real-world performance. I couldn't care less about increasing my HP at 7000rpm because I will never take it that high.
This kit is interesting to me only because it will probably increase low/mid torque. That's what I want, that's the power we use every day, every time we accelerate.
Think about it, how much of the time you are in your car are you seriously getting on it? How much time do you spend in traffic or where you otherwise can't push it 100%?
I am building my car to perform all the time, everyday, not just that >1% of the time I am at WOT.
A lot of the guys here have built radical engines that are worse daily drivers than a stock SS/SC. Sure they are lightning fast but when you're just stuck in traffic they suck.
If I wanted a car that only made power from 3500+ I would have bought a civic. Ever driven a civic? They absolutely suck in traffic cause they got no low/mid torque and you've gotta wind the **** out of them to make any power. I am used to good old American V8 low/mid power and torque and that's what I want to improve in my car.
And I do realize that chassis dynos don't do well at low speeds. That is why I posted earlier that I would love to see engine dyno charts for this mod.
I am tired of people saying "You'll have Loads of low Mid Power with this kit". I just want proof, that's all. I am a scientist and won't spend the money on a kit because someone I don't know says it will improve what I want. I want to see some numbers.
I think that this is a great mod because I do believe it will give me what I am after. But you guys that are only interested in 3500+ rpm should realize that a turbo would be a better choice. Basic hot-rodding 101, the right turbo will outperform a SC at higher rpm because it doesn't have the parasitic losses of the SC. That is fact, not speculation. Once this kit is done and priced it will probably be better for racers to spend the same money on a turbo kit instead. Go to Banks' website and read up if you don't believe me.
So do me a favor and lay off the "For the record dynoing from 1000rpm is rediculus.." (not my spelling, BTW) I think I have thought this out well enough and written my beliefs well enough that anyone with basic intelligence can understand my point.
And I am not alone in this, Onyxd04Redline gets it too, + rep to ya guy!
Go ahead and flame me but do us all a favor and think it out before you post, use good grammar and spelling, and at least try to make sense.
Randy
'05 Yellow SS/SC
I am not a ricer, I am not a racer. I don't need giant HP numbers to feed my ego. You will never read of me bragging about "killing" some other car, I don't need that to know that I've built a good car.
I drive my car every day and what I care about is real-world performance. I couldn't care less about increasing my HP at 7000rpm because I will never take it that high.
This kit is interesting to me only because it will probably increase low/mid torque. That's what I want, that's the power we use every day, every time we accelerate.
Think about it, how much of the time you are in your car are you seriously getting on it? How much time do you spend in traffic or where you otherwise can't push it 100%?
I am building my car to perform all the time, everyday, not just that >1% of the time I am at WOT.
A lot of the guys here have built radical engines that are worse daily drivers than a stock SS/SC. Sure they are lightning fast but when you're just stuck in traffic they suck.
If I wanted a car that only made power from 3500+ I would have bought a civic. Ever driven a civic? They absolutely suck in traffic cause they got no low/mid torque and you've gotta wind the **** out of them to make any power. I am used to good old American V8 low/mid power and torque and that's what I want to improve in my car.
And I do realize that chassis dynos don't do well at low speeds. That is why I posted earlier that I would love to see engine dyno charts for this mod.
I am tired of people saying "You'll have Loads of low Mid Power with this kit". I just want proof, that's all. I am a scientist and won't spend the money on a kit because someone I don't know says it will improve what I want. I want to see some numbers.
I think that this is a great mod because I do believe it will give me what I am after. But you guys that are only interested in 3500+ rpm should realize that a turbo would be a better choice. Basic hot-rodding 101, the right turbo will outperform a SC at higher rpm because it doesn't have the parasitic losses of the SC. That is fact, not speculation. Once this kit is done and priced it will probably be better for racers to spend the same money on a turbo kit instead. Go to Banks' website and read up if you don't believe me.
So do me a favor and lay off the "For the record dynoing from 1000rpm is rediculus.." (not my spelling, BTW) I think I have thought this out well enough and written my beliefs well enough that anyone with basic intelligence can understand my point.
And I am not alone in this, Onyxd04Redline gets it too, + rep to ya guy!
Go ahead and flame me but do us all a favor and think it out before you post, use good grammar and spelling, and at least try to make sense.
Randy
'05 Yellow SS/SC
Maybe they're just trying to hide something. Maybe a 2.8" Heaton puts out more low end torque then the TS does under 3000rpm. If that were true that would put a huge kink in there sales.
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On the whole dyno deal, I've started downlow like around 1500rpms everytime before. Here the the example of the last dyno run I made in comparison to when I just had an intake. It's hard to read, but it was started around 15-1600rpms. You can clearly see I made an A$$ TON more torque in the midrange. I will show a comparison just like this for the twinscrew.
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Sorry but it does not . The TS puts out more low end torque then the M62 . I know for fact that it does
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You guys are starting to **** me off. How about a little bit of an open mind, how about considering that not every single guy here is looking for the same thing?
I am not a ricer, I am not a racer. I don't need giant HP numbers to feed my ego. You will never read of me bragging about "killing" some other car, I don't need that to know that I've built a good car.
I drive my car every day and what I care about is real-world performance. I couldn't care less about increasing my HP at 7000rpm because I will never take it that high.
This kit is interesting to me only because it will probably increase low/mid torque. That's what I want, that's the power we use every day, every time we accelerate.
Think about it, how much of the time you are in your car are you seriously getting on it? How much time do you spend in traffic or where you otherwise can't push it 100%?
I am building my car to perform all the time, everyday, not just that >1% of the time I am at WOT.
A lot of the guys here have built radical engines that are worse daily drivers than a stock SS/SC. Sure they are lightning fast but when you're just stuck in traffic they suck.
If I wanted a car that only made power from 3500+ I would have bought a civic. Ever driven a civic? They absolutely suck in traffic cause they got no low/mid torque and you've gotta wind the **** out of them to make any power. I am used to good old American V8 low/mid power and torque and that's what I want to improve in my car.
And I do realize that chassis dynos don't do well at low speeds. That is why I posted earlier that I would love to see engine dyno charts for this mod.
I am tired of people saying "You'll have Loads of low Mid Power with this kit". I just want proof, that's all. I am a scientist and won't spend the money on a kit because someone I don't know says it will improve what I want. I want to see some numbers.
I think that this is a great mod because I do believe it will give me what I am after. But you guys that are only interested in 3500+ rpm should realize that a turbo would be a better choice. Basic hot-rodding 101, the right turbo will outperform a SC at higher rpm because it doesn't have the parasitic losses of the SC. That is fact, not speculation. Once this kit is done and priced it will probably be better for racers to spend the same money on a turbo kit instead. Go to Banks' website and read up if you don't believe me.
So do me a favor and lay off the "For the record dynoing from 1000rpm is rediculus.." (not my spelling, BTW) I think I have thought this out well enough and written my beliefs well enough that anyone with basic intelligence can understand my point.
And I am not alone in this, Onyxd04Redline gets it too, + rep to ya guy!
Go ahead and flame me but do us all a favor and think it out before you post, use good grammar and spelling, and at least try to make sense.
Randy
'05 Yellow SS/SC
I am not a ricer, I am not a racer. I don't need giant HP numbers to feed my ego. You will never read of me bragging about "killing" some other car, I don't need that to know that I've built a good car.
I drive my car every day and what I care about is real-world performance. I couldn't care less about increasing my HP at 7000rpm because I will never take it that high.
This kit is interesting to me only because it will probably increase low/mid torque. That's what I want, that's the power we use every day, every time we accelerate.
Think about it, how much of the time you are in your car are you seriously getting on it? How much time do you spend in traffic or where you otherwise can't push it 100%?
I am building my car to perform all the time, everyday, not just that >1% of the time I am at WOT.
A lot of the guys here have built radical engines that are worse daily drivers than a stock SS/SC. Sure they are lightning fast but when you're just stuck in traffic they suck.
If I wanted a car that only made power from 3500+ I would have bought a civic. Ever driven a civic? They absolutely suck in traffic cause they got no low/mid torque and you've gotta wind the **** out of them to make any power. I am used to good old American V8 low/mid power and torque and that's what I want to improve in my car.
And I do realize that chassis dynos don't do well at low speeds. That is why I posted earlier that I would love to see engine dyno charts for this mod.
I am tired of people saying "You'll have Loads of low Mid Power with this kit". I just want proof, that's all. I am a scientist and won't spend the money on a kit because someone I don't know says it will improve what I want. I want to see some numbers.
I think that this is a great mod because I do believe it will give me what I am after. But you guys that are only interested in 3500+ rpm should realize that a turbo would be a better choice. Basic hot-rodding 101, the right turbo will outperform a SC at higher rpm because it doesn't have the parasitic losses of the SC. That is fact, not speculation. Once this kit is done and priced it will probably be better for racers to spend the same money on a turbo kit instead. Go to Banks' website and read up if you don't believe me.
So do me a favor and lay off the "For the record dynoing from 1000rpm is rediculus.." (not my spelling, BTW) I think I have thought this out well enough and written my beliefs well enough that anyone with basic intelligence can understand my point.
And I am not alone in this, Onyxd04Redline gets it too, + rep to ya guy!
Go ahead and flame me but do us all a favor and think it out before you post, use good grammar and spelling, and at least try to make sense.
Randy
'05 Yellow SS/SC
I am glad you are here though. We need more scientist's on the site.
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I'd have the proof today if it weren't for that damn intake manifold gasket! 
Tomorrow will come soon enough, tomorrow will come soon enough.....
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I would have thought you would have updated the gasket when you did the headstuds and headgasket.
BTW, you keep nuking trannies with the power you have now, how many you going to go through with a twinscrew? lol
BTW, you keep nuking trannies with the power you have now, how many you going to go through with a twinscrew? lol
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GL with the install tomorrow. I'm interested to see what you get on the dyno. Are you going to dyno it with a daily driver tune and by that I mean one that could be driven in the winter and summer so a bit richer then some run in the summer? Although I'd be interested to see a summer one as well, I just don't want to see numbers of some really lean dyno tune thats putting out numbers most would never see.
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On the whole dyno deal, I've started downlow like around 1500rpms everytime before. Here the the example of the last dyno run I made in comparison to when I just had an intake. It's hard to read, but it was started around 15-1600rpms. You can clearly see I made an A$$ TON more torque in the midrange. I will show a comparison just like this for the twinscrew.
Your dyno chart shows exactly what I am talking about, exactly what I want to see. I don't care about the actual numbers and what brand dyno it was done on, I want to be able to look at a chart and see how and where the mod is better than stock, and how much better.
That's all, I don't think that it is an unreasonable request. I only wrote that rant because people were hatin' on me for saying that I cared about seeing power levels below 3500 rpm.
One more quick point just to explain myself a little better: One hell of a lot of the common mods out there actually take away low/mid power and torque. For example, an ad for a cam or header might say "+50HP" or something like that but won't tell you that the piece moves your powerband so far up the rpm range that you lose low/mid power to make more HP up high. I personally don't want to sacrifice low/mid power for high rpm gains that I would rarely use, so I have to be careful to check out what I buy.
I have researched this whole SC swap/Turbo kit thing and am convinced that the TS is the way to go. I am sure that I will get substantial gains through the whole rpm range, bottom to top. And I can't wait to see dyno charts, prices and pics on the Rebel kit because that is what I will probably end up buying once it has been sorted out.
Randy
'05 Yellow SS/SC
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as for the twinscrew, its hands over feet better then the m62, no one can deny it, simply look at airflow charts and ull get the "drift". Now assumptions on power are hard to estimate, i think with his mods 300-320 is possible.
As for 1000-1500 rpm torque, who the **** cares, when do u EVER launch at anything lower then 1500 as it is, why would u, honestly. The supercharger is essence of design is still the same, its ability to create for airflow and pressure easier has changed. Give up the whole im gonna bash this new product gig, especially those who dont want power or have "air box mod" and " driver mod 3.1234343" as ur only mods in your signature.
At the end of the day, his car is faster then basically ever cobalt on this site, besides some extremely modified m62's and the few turbos running around no one can touch him. I bow to rebel for finishing something that tag couldnt (LEWL) and the reception ur giving this company who has spent much money and hours finishing development on something that 6 months ago YOU ALL WANTED is pathetic. Bunch of snivelling babies. Even if this kit only lays out 280 whp, thats 75 over stock. well worth it. plus ur cars longevity is increased with a cooler more efficient power source.
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