meth...the big unknown
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Washer Fluid which is a mixture of Distilled Water/ Methanol/ Dye or use 50% Distilled Water and 50% pure methanol mixtures!
Or mess around with different mixtures to find out what works best for your car!
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i love how he nitpicks too..
zoomer: It's popular because methanol and water are verbally used as if they are the same thing. The people making gains are spraying methanol, tricking some people who spray washer fluid into thinking they are doing the same thing.
No, they are not the same thing.. We obviously are talking about mixing them together, then injecting... And so is everyone else... notice how hes the only one who says this? everyone else seems to ******* understand.
Washer Fluid = methanol with water... I know i have, extensivly, along with others, said not to use just straight washer fluid... I can go back and find countless posts where one says "mix in a bottle or two of heet to increase the methanol content"... not just straight ******* washfluid... seriously dude...
zoomer: It's popular because methanol and water are verbally used as if they are the same thing. The people making gains are spraying methanol, tricking some people who spray washer fluid into thinking they are doing the same thing.
No, they are not the same thing.. We obviously are talking about mixing them together, then injecting... And so is everyone else... notice how hes the only one who says this? everyone else seems to ******* understand.
Washer Fluid = methanol with water... I know i have, extensivly, along with others, said not to use just straight washer fluid... I can go back and find countless posts where one says "mix in a bottle or two of heet to increase the methanol content"... not just straight ******* washfluid... seriously dude...
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Ok there have been a few posts by a few people that seem like there a little confused so I am going to clear some things up.
Methanol/Water sprayed into a motor will NOT add power. HOWEVER it WILL add power if you ADD ADDITIONAL timing. The higher octane allows for higher timing to be ran. No motor here can handle 25 degrees of timing without knock if they do not have methanol. With methanol 25 degrees is possible.
Now for another fact. Methanol/water WILL lower your iat2's period.
Now for the tuning aspect of it, if you ADD timing and you LOWER your iat2's you WILL see POWER gains.
Its plain and simple boys, if you add timing you will see power, if you lower your iat2's you will see power. If you slap a meth/water kit on and do nothing else, you will lose power. If you add timing you will gain power. Simple. Lower iat2s and added timing = power.
/end thread.
You can run more timing without knock with the windshield wiper fluid then you can without it. You will also have lower iat2's when you run smaller pulleys resulting in power. It's power that was already there, you just weren't seeing it, so its a gain.
A gain is when power is increased. If you have a 2.8 inch pulley and 130 iat2's and put out 260whp with 15 degrees of timing and then use methanol/water and up the timing to 20 degrees and 100 iat2's and have 270whp that IS a gain.
So you can gain power with washer fluid
Methanol/Water sprayed into a motor will NOT add power. HOWEVER it WILL add power if you ADD ADDITIONAL timing. The higher octane allows for higher timing to be ran. No motor here can handle 25 degrees of timing without knock if they do not have methanol. With methanol 25 degrees is possible.
Now for another fact. Methanol/water WILL lower your iat2's period.
Now for the tuning aspect of it, if you ADD timing and you LOWER your iat2's you WILL see POWER gains.
Its plain and simple boys, if you add timing you will see power, if you lower your iat2's you will see power. If you slap a meth/water kit on and do nothing else, you will lose power. If you add timing you will gain power. Simple. Lower iat2s and added timing = power.
/end thread.
Washer fluid will never allow more power than a car with a proper tune and the proper pulley size. The only thing you can hope for is to recover some of the power you lost by running too small a pulley.
This has been extensively tested and proven and explained by ZZP. We have a standing $1000 challenge to prove us wrong. No one has taken us up.
This has been extensively tested and proven and explained by ZZP. We have a standing $1000 challenge to prove us wrong. No one has taken us up.
A gain is when power is increased. If you have a 2.8 inch pulley and 130 iat2's and put out 260whp with 15 degrees of timing and then use methanol/water and up the timing to 20 degrees and 100 iat2's and have 270whp that IS a gain.
So you can gain power with washer fluid
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You can only add timing to a certian point. After a breaking point you lose power.
Lowering IAT's will gain some power, meth will richen up the A/F ratio, so power gain is on a custom level depending on a few variants.
Tune your car for it and enjoy. Argue all you want, but there are gains noted from meth injection.
What am I to say, I can't tune......
Lowering IAT's will gain some power, meth will richen up the A/F ratio, so power gain is on a custom level depending on a few variants.
Tune your car for it and enjoy. Argue all you want, but there are gains noted from meth injection.
What am I to say, I can't tune......
But why not use a 3 inch pulley (or whatever size bigger), run your 20 degree's of timing, and enjoy cooler iat's without having to spray? I can't seem to get a clear answer here. I'm just trying to learn.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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I'm too tired to get very technical, but it boils down to smaller pulley = higher cfm from increase in rotation of the rotors, producing higher pressure and heat. Cool it down and that equals more power.
Before someone tries to discredit me, there's more technicalities to it, but thats a layman's version
Before someone tries to discredit me, there's more technicalities to it, but thats a layman's version
alrighty. thanks for explaining it.
Why not inject nitrous oxide instead? Doesn't it cool better and have a higher oxygen content? I guess I want to know if there's a reason to use methanol and water over nitrous oxide, other than the obvious.. cost.
Why not inject nitrous oxide instead? Doesn't it cool better and have a higher oxygen content? I guess I want to know if there's a reason to use methanol and water over nitrous oxide, other than the obvious.. cost.
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Meth/water can be sprayed whenever you are in boost and much more often. It is NOTHING like nitrous is and is A LOT cheaper. Yes, nitrous cools better but it also gives you a "burst" of power so to speak and if you are just city driving you might not want that lol. Besides nitrous is much more harmful to motors then meth is.
Yeah makes sense. I wouldn't spray either one every day anyway. I'm looking for something a little extra for track days.
Race gas should allow for increased timing as well.. anyway, thanks for the info guys!
Race gas should allow for increased timing as well.. anyway, thanks for the info guys!