So how many of you out there have managed to run meth problem-free without tuning for an extended period of time?

What are the dangers of not tuning it?

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Another question... can you use other types of alcohol? like gas-line antifreeze? Beacuse I want to run meth but I dont wanna use windshield washer fuild beacuse it has dye in it and I heard someone talk about it gumming up the rotors of the s/c with dye.

 

The point of running methanol injection UNTUNED is to cool off the iat2's and increase the octane. The point of running it TUNED is to increase the timing while not having any knock or detonation and still having high octane.

You can run methanol/distilled water for a mix. Also you can add HEET to windshield washer fluid to increase the methanol. Windshield washer fluid is like a 30/70 mix roughly.

The dye in windshield washer fluid WILL NOT GUM UP ROTORS. It can change your supercharger blue though =P. It's true.

 

with a tune on the progressive kit given the example above, a little at 5 psi and fully active at 10, how long would you say a gallon of water/ meth mix will last being daily drivin pretty reserved but getting on it occasionally?

 

that'd kinda make it hard to claim I didnt do anything over than stage 2,cai and exaust mods if I have to go to the dealer and my s/c is blue,lol. So back to my question if someone can, will gas-line antifreeze(100% of some kind of alcohol, just not meth) mixed with water work?

 

cobalttc05 - roughly a month.

MidnightNB - As I said, YES methanol + distilled water works. A 50/50 mixture is best. Other then that, HEET is also 97% methanol.

So for your case methanol+DISTILLED water will work.

METHANOL IS CLEAR, not blue lol.

 

alright i'll be sure to get the bigger tank when i get one thanks

 

No worries mate, it really all depends how often you are going wot. Wot, set at 10psi, sprays A LOT of methanol for me. I figure if someone drives 5 days a week, the tank will last them roughly a month, if they go into wot about once a day.

1 gallon is atleast 30 wot's i would say. Probably 60. I will have to count one time lol.

 

AIS kit has been very impressive for me.
has one of the largest tanks out of all the kits, very well priced, and install is very easy.

I went with non-progressive because its much easier to tune for, and just less **** to go wrong.

 

what size tank did you run?
you where putting out some power right? what size pulley did you run

 

lets get some **** straight here before someone goes out and does something stupid.

50/50 is fine for cooling.
90/10 will yield far higher power results.

the life span of the fluid in the tank is purely dependent on the owners foot. nothing more, nothing less.

also the cooling relies on the size of said nozzle vs injector size vs airflow produced. there is much more to this than just slapping a kit on, cranking the timing.

 

1.5 gallons.

2.8 pully mostly.

 

you ran 60's right

 

Area, can you release the knowledge of how much more power you can get with going with 90/10 mix instead of 50/50. Do you get more cooling as well? Does methanol cool better than water? I just don't have the ***** to spray that strong of a mix. The flash points just make me nervous. You have the experience and knowledge, I would just like to know what kind of power you are talking about between the mixes.

 

Well what I mainly asked is if alcohol but NOT METHANOL would work... the gas line antifreeze says right on it that it does not contain methanol. Since they're both alcohols though and liekly to be very chemically similar, I couldnt see it not working but I'd figure I'd ask.

 

yes I did

at areas hinting I bumped up to about 80/20 from 50/50, and there is absolutely power to be had there. if i had to guess, id say you might find 10hp with a strong mix and time behind the laptop. (just a guess...)

the cooling in fact is less, as water has double the latent heat capacity of methanol.

 

are we talking a small temp diff between your 80/20 to 50/50 or a large one or in between

 

I wouldn't use it, but I don't know much about it.

Going back to what area was saying. 50/50 has been proven overall to be the best for both cooling and increasing octane. 90meth/10water will allow for more timing to be ran, higher octane, but less cooling.

If you want a good mixture run 50/50, if you want the best power gain run 90/10 because this will allow you to run much much more timing etc.

I don't believe progressive kits are any harder to tune for then none progressive because who doesn't hit 10psi when there at wot lol. I am not an avid tuner by any means, hell I am ordering hptuners tomorrow from josh and sean from www.ottperformance.com

However I have used 2 methanol kits, the aem, and the devils own, and have used different mixes etc. Windshield washer fluid is the easiest lol, but may turn the inside of the supercharger blue.

The temp difference between 80/20, or 90/10 isn't a huge difference.

 

now i thought it was the water that raised the octane level

 

No....... methanol is 116 octane bud

 

oh ok so i got it mixed up

 

Water isn't good for octane...

 

lol i was thinking since it doesn't have a flash point it increased the octane rating

 

nope, nothing in it to increase the octane, thats the job of methanol. Waters job is to cool the intake charge, the methanol is used to increase the octane.

 

ah thanks for clearing this up with me, lol i thought the wrong thing there for awhile