Performance limitations
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No one ever said that lag didn't exist. I personally hate calling it "lag", I'd rather call it what it really is, a delay. Delay exists but it all depends on the application and setup you're aiming for. I was telling the person earlier (which he understands now) that saying that all turbochargers have lag is way too general and within that, incorrect.
I'm sure high Horesepower applications have a bigger initial delay but you also have to think that these vehicles stay in peak power most of the time and that's all that is important.
There are tons of ways to improve turbine response, this is also why I say it depends on the setup.
I'm sure high Horesepower applications have a bigger initial delay but you also have to think that these vehicles stay in peak power most of the time and that's all that is important.
There are tons of ways to improve turbine response, this is also why I say it depends on the setup.
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Hi, Im mordis, and this is my first post, but i have been lurking here on and off for a bit now. Right now im contemplating purchasing a cobalt ss/sc I would have done so earlier but when i was considering it, there were very limited tuning options so i decided to hold off.
Now that you can tune them with hp tuners i have this question. What is next for the 2.0 ss/sc? I know that Tag Racecraft is preparing to release a new supercharger for it that will replace the m62. But this new super charger only tops out at 350hp from what i have been able to find. So the second question is, what about those of us, who want to make 400hp+ how will we get there?
I know that to hit that number you have to have all forged internals and a bullet proof tranny and drive train, but seriously how do you get there. Will they make another supercharger that will bolt up and be capable of making more then 350hp or will i have to settle for that number.
I was readiing HC&I and they mentioned a guy with a 1000 hp cobalt. He did it with the 2.4l ss and not the ss/sc. My goal is 400hp will i have to purchase the ss 2.4 and put on a turbo or will there be some development in the future that will allow the ss/sc to attain that number as well.
Basicly has anyone figured out where to take the engine next, with regards to performance mods. I dont want to have to resort to adding a n20 kit and being a dual power adder. I was told by exotic performance plus, that was a big no no. I just dont see how the ss/sc will be able to produce more then 350 hp with out resorting to custom fabricating a new intake manifold and making a custom turbo kit. Any ideas advice and other stuff welcome hehe.
I hope this post makes sense, im not trying to start a flame, but i feel this is a legit question.
Now that you can tune them with hp tuners i have this question. What is next for the 2.0 ss/sc? I know that Tag Racecraft is preparing to release a new supercharger for it that will replace the m62. But this new super charger only tops out at 350hp from what i have been able to find. So the second question is, what about those of us, who want to make 400hp+ how will we get there?
I know that to hit that number you have to have all forged internals and a bullet proof tranny and drive train, but seriously how do you get there. Will they make another supercharger that will bolt up and be capable of making more then 350hp or will i have to settle for that number.
I was readiing HC&I and they mentioned a guy with a 1000 hp cobalt. He did it with the 2.4l ss and not the ss/sc. My goal is 400hp will i have to purchase the ss 2.4 and put on a turbo or will there be some development in the future that will allow the ss/sc to attain that number as well.
Basicly has anyone figured out where to take the engine next, with regards to performance mods. I dont want to have to resort to adding a n20 kit and being a dual power adder. I was told by exotic performance plus, that was a big no no. I just dont see how the ss/sc will be able to produce more then 350 hp with out resorting to custom fabricating a new intake manifold and making a custom turbo kit. Any ideas advice and other stuff welcome hehe.
I hope this post makes sense, im not trying to start a flame, but i feel this is a legit question.
like said earlier 400whp is gonna be pretty hard with this car. I origianlly was going to sink a ton in mine but I read up on all the problems people were having and the limitations of this car. Your probably better off going with an 03/04 cobra and just do full boltons and a pully swap or get an ls1 fbody and put on a nice h/c package. you'd be able to easily get 450rwhp from ealier setup and they'd be a lot more capable of taking the power and putting to the ground as opposed to the cobalt. All that said, If your pockets are loaded go nuts with the a cobalt. OH and 400 to wheels if fun but you will want more.
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Um.... show me the car. There is a nice video somewhere of the Formula 1 Honda car drag racing a CBR1000RR and it is a VERY close race. Stock 954RR lays down 0-60 at 2.4 seconds and 0-100 in 5.6. Let's see... 150whp at 400lbs vs even 600whp at 2800lbs. That makes the hp to weight ratio around 3.75:1 on the bike for the car to reach that at 2800lbs it would have to put down 1050whp. That is stock vs heavily modded. $11k vs $40k(on the low estimate). Let's not even talk about the turbo'd 'Busas that make over 200whp.
Oh and before you start trying to flame me... I am an AVID car enthusiast and an amatuer sportbike racer (600cc Vintage Class currently running a 1994 104whp CBR600F2) so I know what I'm talking about. I love fast cars and have the upmost respect for tuners but they have nothing on bikes. atleast not to the 100mph mark. Above that I give you the car, the increase displacement gives the advantage there.
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