Port and Polish question..?
I've still not been swayed to the otherside of the discussion btw.. I need this explained to me, if I'm wrong.. 
I still think that if you port the blower and allow it to flow more air (which is what porting does.. and what it means when you throw the efficiency word around) that it HAS to make more boost, not less if you change nothing else.
The supercharger is what supplies the air (while under boost), the engine is what creates the restriction on the airflow... So, if you make the SC supply more air.. without changing the engine (the restriction).. the pressure will raise because you are supplying more air and not letting it exit any faster..
I think i've said the same thing 10 times in this thread now..lol
I still think that if you port the blower and allow it to flow more air (which is what porting does.. and what it means when you throw the efficiency word around) that it HAS to make more boost, not less if you change nothing else.
The supercharger is what supplies the air (while under boost), the engine is what creates the restriction on the airflow... So, if you make the SC supply more air.. without changing the engine (the restriction).. the pressure will raise because you are supplying more air and not letting it exit any faster..
I think i've said the same thing 10 times in this thread now..lol
I've still not been swayed to the otherside of the discussion btw.. I need this explained to me, if I'm wrong.. 
I still think that if you port the blower and allow it to flow more air (which is what porting does.. and what it means when you throw the efficiency word around) that it HAS to make more boost, not less if you change nothing else.
The supercharger is what supplies the air (while under boost), the engine is what creates the restriction on the airflow... So, if you make the SC supply more air.. without changing the engine (the restriction).. the pressure will raise because you are supplying more air and not letting it exit any faster..
I think i've said the same thing 10 times in this thread now..lol
I still think that if you port the blower and allow it to flow more air (which is what porting does.. and what it means when you throw the efficiency word around) that it HAS to make more boost, not less if you change nothing else.
The supercharger is what supplies the air (while under boost), the engine is what creates the restriction on the airflow... So, if you make the SC supply more air.. without changing the engine (the restriction).. the pressure will raise because you are supplying more air and not letting it exit any faster..
I think i've said the same thing 10 times in this thread now..lol
Last edited by drew1991sf; Jul 17, 2009 at 03:51 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
He asked about the supercharger and the throttle body. Ofcourse more boost doesn't equal power but you do no where boost is measured from right? You do realize that if you ported the SC and made no other changes and lost boost your car would be slightly slower?
Ported the SC can be a DYI, porting the head for most people isn't going to be free.
Are you sure you can tune these cars?
Ported the SC can be a DYI, porting the head for most people isn't going to be free.
Are you sure you can tune these cars?
I am positive I can tune these cars bud. I know hes asking about the s/c and throttle body but if the OP is going to have any work done he might as well have work done that is going to benefit him. The most restrictive part on the lsj engine is the head, if he pays to get it ported or has the knowledge to do it himself he will see MASSIVE gains, unlike porting the s/c or tb.
Also I highly recommend NOT porting the s/c and throttle body if you don't know what your doing and you haven't ported things before.
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I don't recommend porting a head yourself..... ever. Unless you've done it many times before. It's not as simple as shaving some metal unless you are ONLY porting the exhaust port openings
+1, never touch a head yourself unless you have plenty of experience in porting. I still highly recommend the op skips the petty tb and s/c stuff though and ports the head. For 450 bucks you can get a ported head that flows around 300 cfm. I will have mine here in a couple days and will put up some pics. I will also have dyno results soon too.
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Your head vs. my ported head.
And, porting the s/c is fine to do. It's not a HUGE performance mod, but every little bit does help and lower IATs (5-10*) and slight improvement in efficiency is always a plus. Will only help.
And, porting the s/c is fine to do. It's not a HUGE performance mod, but every little bit does help and lower IATs (5-10*) and slight improvement in efficiency is always a plus. Will only help.
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Euthanasia also did my head. Notice how the video before that has my name on it.
http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u...lsjexhZach.flv
http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u...IntZach002.flv
This guy truely does amazing work. I will have the head back in just a couple days, fully assembled with 78lb valve springs too =D.
http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u...lsjexhZach.flv
http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u...IntZach002.flv
This guy truely does amazing work. I will have the head back in just a couple days, fully assembled with 78lb valve springs too =D.
PSI is a measure of RESISTANCE!
higher (would-be) trap speed, likely due to lower IAT2s
no loss in manifold pressure
if you plan on doing it be VERY, VERY careful
better to take off not enough, than too much..
Last edited by red06SC; Jul 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
I've still not been swayed to the otherside of the discussion btw.. I need this explained to me, if I'm wrong.. 
I still think that if you port the blower and allow it to flow more air (which is what porting does.. and what it means when you throw the efficiency word around) that it HAS to make more boost, not less if you change nothing else.
The supercharger is what supplies the air (while under boost), the engine is what creates the restriction on the airflow... So, if you make the SC supply more air.. without changing the engine (the restriction).. the pressure will raise because you are supplying more air and not letting it exit any faster..
I think i've said the same thing 10 times in this thread now..lol
I still think that if you port the blower and allow it to flow more air (which is what porting does.. and what it means when you throw the efficiency word around) that it HAS to make more boost, not less if you change nothing else.
The supercharger is what supplies the air (while under boost), the engine is what creates the restriction on the airflow... So, if you make the SC supply more air.. without changing the engine (the restriction).. the pressure will raise because you are supplying more air and not letting it exit any faster..
I think i've said the same thing 10 times in this thread now..lol
Meeeehhh... the blower is not a restriction on the system, it is the reason boost is made in the first place.. if you have less boost and all you changed was the blower, you're not putting as much air in.. and not making more power..
Unless i'm retarded.. then.. ignore me..
After thought: If boost was measured on top of the blower, pressure would lower, yes.. but boost is measured after the blower, in the intake
Or if this was a charger (such as a twin screw) that built pressure in the blower, PERHAPS it would lower boost to port the outlet.. but.. a roots type doesn't build pressure in the blower itself
Unless i'm retarded.. then.. ignore me..
After thought: If boost was measured on top of the blower, pressure would lower, yes.. but boost is measured after the blower, in the intake
Or if this was a charger (such as a twin screw) that built pressure in the blower, PERHAPS it would lower boost to port the outlet.. but.. a roots type doesn't build pressure in the blower itself
Because the Pressure is taken AFTER the SC, then a loss of pressure does not mean a reduction in resistance... Idiot.
It means less volume of air is entering the engine, which means less fuel can be burnt.
Yeah, I was a little...out of it....and realized this later, but I decided not to edit.
BTW: This is the first time I have ever been flamed incorrectly and a person actually fessed up to being wrong.
Kudos to you sir. Sorry for calling you an Idiot.
Similar to paddling up stream with a smaller paddle.
Last edited by Brian MP5T; Jul 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Yeah, I was highly intoxicated and ranting atm...everyone got trolled in every post I made...
There is a sweet spot for opening up the outlet, I believe Eaton has suggested somewhere around 1/8", I personally did 5/32" and noticed no pressure loss. Most people take off way too much material.
There is a sweet spot for opening up the outlet, I believe Eaton has suggested somewhere around 1/8", I personally did 5/32" and noticed no pressure loss. Most people take off way too much material.
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