SS/SC vs STi/EVO
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It's just great to know that an almost $10k cheaper car that looks better can keep up and beat these cars. Its a dream come true to me lol, just gotta get my 2.4 up to speed almost there
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http://www.dragtimes.com/Mitsubishi-...slip-9322.html
haha good luck with those cammed evo's boys. 340awhp on mustang dyno = around 415hp give or take a bit. 115mph trap speed = absolute ownage of any cobalt here. ABSOLUTE ownage. That ones on the stock turbo too. So exhaust/cam/tune = cobalt +1 *******.
haha good luck with those cammed evo's boys. 340awhp on mustang dyno = around 415hp give or take a bit. 115mph trap speed = absolute ownage of any cobalt here. ABSOLUTE ownage. That ones on the stock turbo too. So exhaust/cam/tune = cobalt +1 *******.
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like ppl on here say ss/sc is faster than an evo ix...sorry guys but no way..
i race one STOCK VS STOCK,and he had me bout 1 car length from 40roll...we both started in 2nd...so like i said,i dont beleive it till i expierence it
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You guys ought to know me better than that by now!
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Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged - Short Take Road Tests
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ged-page2.html
Curb weight: 2911 lb
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The Quickest Cars of 2007: $20,000 to $25,000 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ercharged.html
Curb weight: 2936 lb
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The Lightning Lap, 2006 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ers-page2.html
Curb weight: 2919
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Road Test: 2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged vs. 2005 Dodge SRT4
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
Curb weight: 2959 lb
So the average weight of our car from the above data is 2931 lbs.
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mitsubishi-...slip-9322.html
haha good luck with those cammed evo's boys. 340awhp on mustang dyno = around 415hp give or take a bit. 115mph trap speed = absolute ownage of any cobalt here. ABSOLUTE ownage. That ones on the stock turbo too. So exhaust/cam/tune = cobalt +1 *******.
haha good luck with those cammed evo's boys. 340awhp on mustang dyno = around 415hp give or take a bit. 115mph trap speed = absolute ownage of any cobalt here. ABSOLUTE ownage. That ones on the stock turbo too. So exhaust/cam/tune = cobalt +1 *******.
Get a clue man, we're not talking about modded cars here.
It's Stock vs. Stock, and the excess weight of the Evo's AWD system knocks down it's performance advantage quite substantially when it's not racing from a stop.
Them is the facts ... so get used to it.
Ha Ha! You pwned yourself because you listened to someone who is clueless.
That must be embarrassing for you ...
For a minute, I had thought the world had gone completely mad.
Because someone would have to be totally insane to believe that an Evo, which only makes 10 more hp the wheels than our SS/SC, could annihilate our car when it weighs in almost 400lbs. more than an SS/SC.
THE FACTS:
3300lbs./225whp = 14.66 lb/whp
2930lbs./215whp = 13.62 lb/whp
It's just simple math people, it's not rocket science ...
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From a stop and a dig, it will be the Evo. From a roll, it should be the Cobalt. And I put down 236 whp and 236 wtq on a Mustang Dyno with my bone stock Evo IX MR, hope that helps you compare a little better.
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Ha alright, owning both cars at one time i can proudly say both cars are great! When it comes down to performance stock vs. stock an evo will rip you a new ******* anyday from a dig and WILL be you from a 20-40 roll also. Now stage 2+ SS vs. stock evo. this is a diffrent story. With just an Inatke/exhaust on my balt i raced the same but with stage 2 and he got me by id say 2 cars. So raceing a stock evo with stage 2 you def. have a chance from a roll, will still be close though. From a dig we still got you, but again still close. And people say the bolt is 10K cheaper than an evo and stilL can keep up. Bullshit. Ha people have to sit in an evo and drive it to really know why its 10K more than a bolt. And not to mention all the little **** that it has that the bolt doesnt and all the extra goodies. But as long as an EVO has TBE,intake,cams,tune,fuel pump blah blah blah...your fucked lol. Just giving you my 2 cents about both cars love both, the bolt is a nasty car, no hate towards the bolt i loved the thing, but after having an evo i wouldnt go back. hope that helps?
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A quick search of various Evo forums does in fact show that those cars are only pulling about 225whp stock.
And seeing that an Evo weighs in at 3300lbs, that means their lbs/whp ratio is 14.66.
Compare that with the average SS/SC weighing in at 2950lbs. and running about 215whp stock, and you get 13.72 lbs./whp.
So while the Evo's AWD greatly helps their starting line acceleration, it also takes a toll on their drive train hp loss. The Evo actually suffers 22% drive train hp loss, whereas our SS/SC only experiences 13-15% drive train loss.
Even if we take into account the lower figure of only 13% drive train loss, with 215whp that means our cars are making 245hp at the crank.
And that's why with any kind of race other than from a standstill, our SS/SC's will give the mighty Evo's a good run for their money.
And seeing that an Evo weighs in at 3300lbs, that means their lbs/whp ratio is 14.66.
Compare that with the average SS/SC weighing in at 2950lbs. and running about 215whp stock, and you get 13.72 lbs./whp.
So while the Evo's AWD greatly helps their starting line acceleration, it also takes a toll on their drive train hp loss. The Evo actually suffers 22% drive train hp loss, whereas our SS/SC only experiences 13-15% drive train loss.
Even if we take into account the lower figure of only 13% drive train loss, with 215whp that means our cars are making 245hp at the crank.
And that's why with any kind of race other than from a standstill, our SS/SC's will give the mighty Evo's a good run for their money.
Nice research, + rep
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I didn't get my weight figures from GM, I got them from actual road tests of our car.
You guys ought to know me better than that by now!
Car&Driver
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged - Short Take Road Tests
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ged-page2.html
Curb weight: 2911 lb
Car&Driver
The Quickest Cars of 2007: $20,000 to $25,000 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ercharged.html
Curb weight: 2936 lb
Car&Driver
The Lightning Lap, 2006 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ers-page2.html
Curb weight: 2919
MotorTrend
Road Test: 2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged vs. 2005 Dodge SRT4
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
Curb weight: 2959 lb
So the average weight of our car from the above data is 2931 lbs.
"Cammed" this ... "Tuned" that ...
Get a clue man, we're not talking about modded cars here.
It's Stock vs. Stock, and the excess weight of the Evo's AWD system knocks down it's performance advantage quite substantially when it's not racing from a stop.
Them is the facts ... so get used to it.
Ha Ha! You pwned yourself because you listened to someone who is clueless.
That must be embarrassing for you ...
Finally, someone who is talking some sense here!
For a minute, I had thought the world had gone completely mad.
Because someone would have to be totally insane to believe that an Evo, which only makes 10 more hp the wheels than our SS/SC, could annihilate our car when it weighs in almost 400lbs. more than an SS/SC.
THE FACTS:
3300lbs./225whp = 14.66 lb/whp
2930lbs./215whp = 13.62 lb/whp
It's just simple math people, it's not rocket science ...
You guys ought to know me better than that by now!
Car&Driver
Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged - Short Take Road Tests
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...ged-page2.html
Curb weight: 2911 lb
Car&Driver
The Quickest Cars of 2007: $20,000 to $25,000 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ercharged.html
Curb weight: 2936 lb
Car&Driver
The Lightning Lap, 2006 - Features
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ers-page2.html
Curb weight: 2919
MotorTrend
Road Test: 2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged vs. 2005 Dodge SRT4
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
Curb weight: 2959 lb
So the average weight of our car from the above data is 2931 lbs.
"Cammed" this ... "Tuned" that ...
Get a clue man, we're not talking about modded cars here.
It's Stock vs. Stock, and the excess weight of the Evo's AWD system knocks down it's performance advantage quite substantially when it's not racing from a stop.
Them is the facts ... so get used to it.
Ha Ha! You pwned yourself because you listened to someone who is clueless.
That must be embarrassing for you ...
Finally, someone who is talking some sense here!
For a minute, I had thought the world had gone completely mad.
Because someone would have to be totally insane to believe that an Evo, which only makes 10 more hp the wheels than our SS/SC, could annihilate our car when it weighs in almost 400lbs. more than an SS/SC.
THE FACTS:
3300lbs./225whp = 14.66 lb/whp
2930lbs./215whp = 13.62 lb/whp
It's just simple math people, it's not rocket science ...
facts-
evo ix's put down around 225whp ON MUSTANG DYNOS. I have seen it done and just in case you didn't know, most mustang dyno's read lower than dynojets. They also put down about 240-245 ft lbs. On a dj that translates to eh 235awhp, 255-260 awtq. 8's read a bit lower, but not a ton. peak power numbers don't mean much and the evo has a great torque curve.
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I'm just happy GM did an extremely smart thing by making a car that could keep up with our popular Evo's and STi's and still be for the most part extremely affordable. Too bad they are discontinuing the SS/SC I really love the car. If only more people knew the REAL facts about it they probably wouldn't go buy an EVO or STi and could easily spend about $1000ish and cream these cars totaling to $22000ish compared to $30k.
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I'm just happy GM did an extremely smart thing by making a car that could keep up with our popular Evo's and STi's and still be for the most part extremely affordable. Too bad they are discontinuing the SS/SC I really love the car. If only more people knew the REAL facts about it they probably wouldn't go buy an EVO or STi and could easily spend about $1000ish and cream these cars totaling to $22000ish compared to $30k.
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lmao take your car to the track kid people buy sti's cause they like the track , last time i checked they didnt have a freeway at the dragstrip you obviouslly dont know **** about evo's /sti's and i bet if you put 1,000 into your ss/sc you wouldnt break out of the 14's
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lmao take your car to the track kid people buy sti's cause they like the track , last time i checked they didnt have a freeway at the dragstrip you obviouslly dont know **** about evo's /sti's and i bet if you put 1,000 into your ss/sc you wouldnt break out of the 14's
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+1, you guys are comparing a mid 14 second car (average) to a mid 13 second car (average) the ss/sc is capable of low 14's, ix's have gone 12's so i am really giving you the benefit of the doubt and the ss/sc is still waaaaay behind. trap speeds of around 100 vs 104-106? they are just incomparable stock and mod for mod. It seems like this forum sees one kill story that is proven by video and then all of a sudden BOOM everyone has beaten them and they are easy kills, no matter what it is.
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+1, you guys are comparing a mid 14 second car (average) to a mid 13 second car (average) the ss/sc is capable of low 14's, ix's have gone 12's so i am really giving you the benefit of the doubt and the ss/sc is still waaaaay behind. trap speeds of around 100 vs 104-106? they are just incomparable stock and mod for mod. It seems like this forum sees one kill story that is proven by video and then all of a sudden BOOM everyone has beaten them and they are easy kills, no matter what it is.
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