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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Evolvr2006
My brother ran a 13.2 @ 104 in his bone stock Evo without much practice. So, no, a 13.6 won't beat that at the track. His average is 13.3 (one in the vid he traps 105 in a 13.3 run) so you still won't beat that. Here's a vid showing a couple of his runs.


A couple of races by my brother in his stock IX MR. Still learning on the launch.Song- Ill Nino= What You Deserve
on the highway i will defenatly beat him....he beat me by .3 seconds,has 4wd(doesnt have to worry bout traction)more power,but non the less,good runs for a bone stock evo 9..i give him props..

i saw he bogged little after he was bout to shift to 2nd gear...word of advice,when launchin the evo,bounce of redline,or keep it steady little before redline and drag the clutch,dont pop it
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Evolvr2006
My brother ran a 13.2 @ 104 in his bone stock Evo without much practice. So, no, a 13.6 won't beat that at the track. His average is 13.3 (one in the vid he traps 105 in a 13.3 run) so you still won't beat that. Here's a vid showing a couple of his runs.


A couple of races by my brother in his stock IX MR. Still learning on the launch.Song- Ill Nino= What You Deserve
Ummm...Actually, if he were to put some DR's on his Cobey he should beat that. Look at the difference in trap speeds, not quarter times. The trap speeds is what you need to be paying attention to. Traps of 108mph is closer to a 12.7 or so in the quarter, which means that he's not getting good traction on his hole shot.
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 05:30 AM
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Ummm...Actually, if he were to put some DR's on his Cobey he should beat that. Look at the difference in trap speeds, not quarter times. The trap speeds is what you need to be paying attention to. Traps of 108mph is closer to a 12.7 or so in the quarter, which means that he's not getting good traction on his hole shot.
u my friend is right....drags and stealies are right here under my bed...mounted and balanced..just need air and the stupid clutch to come in..ill be shoting for 12's
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 05:49 AM
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By the way, those are some good times stock. AWD FTW!!

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u my friend is right....drags and stealies are right here under my bed...mounted and balanced..just need air and the stupid clutch to come in..ill be shoting for 12's
Of course I am. lol...I need to hit the track to see where I stand

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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 06:50 AM
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Man you guys sure got a hard on for those Evo's! If I owned an Evo I'd dump a grand into the engine and be running easy 11's. Our Cobalt just aint worth dumping a grand into hoping to get to the 12's. $$ for $$ there is only 1 clear advantage between the 2....
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 07:02 AM
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It's not a hard on to beat EVO's, I know they're sickly fast when modded, I was just stating that you can't judge peoples quarter mile runs by the times, you must judge by the trap speeds. Our cars are well capable of 12's without dumping thousands upon thousands, you just need to work on traction and 60' times, cause that's where we are losing out. Our top end is off the hook, but bottom end needs some help for traction reasons
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Super_SS
tx,but i thought ppl here were arrugin that a 15g car with 600 bux invested in it cant beat a car that costs 20+g's..i mean dont get me wrong..evo is a killer car off the line and everything...handling,braking,looks,it has it all over the balt..but what the balt needs is stronger internals and if it came with a turbo instead of a supercharger,u got ur self a modded evo killer..
But then you also find a price tag higher than $21k . The Cobalt (IMO) is at the top of its class, but can't be put into the same category as an Evo or STI. Yes, modded Cobalts can definatly beat both of them, but stock for stock, it can't be done. Just my opinion.
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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^^x2
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 05redline
2.4 powaaaa. I guess flying by crusing cars counts as wins nowadays.
They were all drags from 0mph.

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But then you also find a price tag higher than $21k . The Cobalt (IMO) is at the top of its class, but can't be put into the same category as an Evo or STI. Yes, modded Cobalts can definatly beat both of them, but stock for stock, it can't be done. Just my opinion.
Once again, another summary of this 9 page long thread, good job its exactly correct. Thread should be locked by now IMO lol.

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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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the day i was dyno tuned i ripped up an evo from a 50 roll. he was no competition. (i'm not stage 2 though..)

Originally Posted by Evolvr2006
My brother ran a 13.2 @ 104 in his bone stock Evo without much practice. So, no, a 13.6 won't beat that at the track. His average is 13.3 (one in the vid he traps 105 in a 13.3 run) so you still won't beat that. Here's a vid showing a couple of his runs.


A couple of races by my brother in his stock IX MR. Still learning on the launch.Song- Ill Nino= What You Deserve
obviously, but on the highway, that evo would get murdered. especially wby the cobalts running 13.5 or better at around 107-109.

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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 09:33 AM
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Seems like this is a biased thread, we need videos/pics to prove people who wins. Not saying the EVO or Cobalt would win, just need someone to do it.
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 09:47 AM
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^^ that song was terrible btw..

Originally Posted by SSBOOST
Seems like this is a biased thread, we need videos/pics to prove people who wins. Not saying the EVO or Cobalt would win, just need someone to do it.
^^ there already are vids, pal..
alot of us have done it. ON the Highway. stock evos fall flat on their face after the launch. its a known fact. sure, they have mounds of potential.. but they are drag racing or rally cars.. by no stretch of the imagination are they top end cars. even dtm says his cobalt (sold) would kill his evo (new IX) pretty easily on the highway. granted he had WAAAAYYY more than stage 2, but.. thats still coming from an evo owner.
i killed an sti at the track... (not really a legit win though.. he just got it and ran a 14 ) i'm pretty sure, that anyone running 13.8 or better in their ss s/c could kill a stock evo (any model) on the highway. thats just my opinion, and wht i've experienced.. but perhaps i'm just the man, and i run the streets around here j/k

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But then you also find a price tag higher than $21k . The Cobalt (IMO) is at the top of its class, but can't be put into the same category as an Evo or STI. Yes, modded Cobalts can definatly beat both of them, but stock for stock, it can't be done. Just my opinion.
but i thought we were talking modded(cobalt) vs stock(evo)..???

thats how this thread started anyway.

i should just say, before evolve gets all butthurt about the truth i have stated above.. i did get severely owned from a light (yes, i'm not a bitch, i will race an evo from a light) and later on the highway by a stock turbo (but full bolt on) evo 8. it was definitly fast, and i cant see any M62 powered cobalt being that fast..
*side note, we both smoked the srt4 that tried to join in on the action

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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DTM2188
But then you also find a price tag higher than $21k . The Cobalt (IMO) is at the top of its class, but can't be put into the same category as an Evo or STI. Yes, modded Cobalts can definatly beat both of them, but stock for stock, it can't be done. Just my opinion.
Agreed. I love my 'balt, but the Evo and STi are in a different class of car for a reason. I know where I stand in the food chain. And it isn't with the Evo's and STi's.

Hope your Evo is treating you well DTM2188; I would be right with you if I didn't buy my house. Hoping for an Evo next summer myself.
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SS_Canuck
Agreed. I love my 'balt, but the Evo and STi are in a different class of car for a reason. I know where I stand in the food chain. And it isn't with the Evo's and STi's.

Hope your Evo is treating you well DTM2188; I would be right with you if I didn't buy my house. Hoping for an Evo next summer myself.
I agree with you...maybe if the SS comes back out with turbo and (hopefully stronger internals) this could be a better conversation...lol
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Super_SS
13.6@108mph wit just s2..so i think thats enough power to take a stock evo at the track

I don't know wher people were talking about roll racing cause this was what i was referencing. I was referencing track times, which can be proven, and a winner is absolute.

If someone can find me a car that traps 108+ around here, I would have no problem racing in my car. My car trapped 109 at 20psi.
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my car traps at 100 @15...lol
Old Sep 4, 2007 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chevysalesman614
even dtm says his cobalt (sold) would kill his evo (new IX) pretty easily on the highway. granted he had WAAAAYYY more than stage 2, but.. thats still coming from an evo owner.

i should just say, before evolve gets all butthurt about the truth i have stated above.. i did get severely owned from a light (yes, i'm not a bitch, i will race an evo from a light) and later on the highway by a stock turbo (but full bolt on) evo 8. it was definitly fast, and i cant see any M62 powered cobalt being that fast..
*side note, we both smoked the srt4 that tried to join in on the action
It is true (I hate to admit it hahaha jk), but my Cobalt would have beat up on the Evo on the highway... ahhhh... the good ole days haha. The Evo's time will come soon though LOL.

Also, glad to see that you took on that challenge of an Evo from a dead stop haha, I did once, I learned my lesson hahaha, but I'd still do it again, I'm always up for a challenge.

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Agreed. I love my 'balt, but the Evo and STi are in a different class of car for a reason. I know where I stand in the food chain. And it isn't with the Evo's and STi's.

Hope your Evo is treating you well DTM2188; I would be right with you if I didn't buy my house. Hoping for an Evo next summer myself.
Thanks man, the Evo is treating me well and plan to treat it well very shortly with some nice new shiney parts haha. Best of luck with your house and your search for an Evo! You trying to get a used XIII or IX or you going with the new X?

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I agree with you...maybe if the SS comes back out with turbo and (hopefully stronger internals) this could be a better conversation...lol
I really hope Chevy does put the turbo in and stronger supporting mods, the Cobalt would be an absoulte beast. Just watch and see how well these turbo kits do for the SS that are currently being offered by some of the vendors, that should be a good indicating factor of what the Cobalt can then do.
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Once again I must agree with DTM...You go wit your bad self Dan. lol
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 07:04 AM
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All of this agreement and I'm still only on a "distinguished road"? C'mon now people, some +rep hahahaha jk.
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I just gave you some rep, before even reading this post.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 07:09 AM
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HAHAHAHA, its about time, I wanna be a "glorious beacon of light" just like you haha.
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LMAO!! I'll see what I can do to help ya with that.
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Originally Posted by DTM2188
Thanks man, the Evo is treating me well and plan to treat it well very shortly with some nice new shiney parts haha. Best of luck with your house and your search for an Evo! You trying to get a used XIII or IX or you going with the new X?
Thanks for the well wishes. I haven't decided on which Evo I will pursue. I actually really like the look of the new X, but I know as soon as I get it I will want to mod it, so I will probably be looking for a used IX MR. You went with Graphite Grey Pearl, correct? MR? Sorry, I can't remember. I would love to get a IX MR in Wicked White.

I would actually be driving an Evo instead of the Cobalt if I had lived in the States when I was looking for a new car back in '05. But the damn Canadian laws kept the Evo from coming up North. When I moved to the U.S. 1.5 years ago, I thought about trading in the Cobalt for an Evo, but then the house came.

Keep us posted on your 'new shiny parts'!
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I hear you, the new X looks pretty mean. It has some things that I really like and others that I don't compared to the VIII and IX, but overall its going to be another solid car, you really can't lose either way you go haha. But the aftermarket support on both the VIII and the IX is insane, I'm sure the X will follow as well, but who knows how long it will take and how "user friendly" it will be.

I have a 2006 Evo IX MR SE in Apex Silver. If you can find a White Evo, I'll be jealous haha, the White is so sexy haha. I do believe the X is headed to Canada though.

I'll keep you guys posted with all the latest modification developments hahaha. Let me know how you make out as well with getting an Evo.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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Oh my god this forum is full of fan boys and magazine racers.... Look I had a stage 2 balt + intake + exhaust + torque mods...... and yea it was pretty quick would it ever take an evo or sti no!!!

Like seriously you guys realise that those cars beat us by more than a second in the quarter mile..... and too all you newbs 1 second is a LOT...

This bs about someone running 13.5 with just stage 2.... the funny thing is you all believe him just because he is driving a cobalt. All you guys believe what you want to believe .... However I cant wait to see some of your facers after you try to race a sti or evo it would be a joke...

Hell I raced a 04 sti with just intake + exhaust + tune this weekend at bud park and lost .

I ran 12.8 with my 04 mach 1 +intake + exhaust + drag radials
He ran 12.7 with the mods listed above..... * unsure about his tires*

Why dont you guys think about cars you could beat realistically with stage 2.... like maybe a mustang gt with intake + exhaust + stage 2.



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