im looking into getting a front mount h/e soon and i want to get some opinions on which is better, the zzp stage 3 front mount h/e or the ottp h/e, in all aspects. i have the dual pass intercooler endplate, i think both h/e work either with or without this but i wanted to see which would possibly work better/have a better setup with the dual pass. id like to run a setup with both the stock h/e and aftermarket h/e so also looking to see which one works best in this aspect. also looking to see which one has a smoother installation, i.e. chopping up the front bumper to fit them in or anything of this sort. also, ive heard the zzp h/e doesnt come with everything needed for installation, idk if this is true or not....essentially im looking for input on all aspects of both heat exchangers and which one is overall better

....also which one works best with the option b kit cuz im also considering this as well

 

Allright bro, the S3 from zzp is your best bet, people tend not to go with the OTTP h.e because of the nipple on the bottom of the h.e....... i have the s3 and my iats2 are great when my ic pump works lol.

 

How would zzp's not come with everything needed? Some people on this forum are nutswingers and will just make **** up. It's been proven zzp's s3 is superior and mine came with all lines and fittings....

 

If people use that as reason they have problems. You replace the drain that comes on the OTTP H.E. with an 89 cent 1/4" NPT fitting. I can understand their older versions were not the best, because they were modified bar & plate heat exchangers, but their 4th gen is a radiator type H.E., dual pass design, and is slightly thicker than ZZP's S3. You can install it easily without taking the bumper off, and it doesnt have the sitty plastic fittings (that will crack over time) like the ZZP S3.

Checkout my install of the OTTP "4th Gen" Heat Exchanger here:

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/how-guide-43/how-install-ottps-4th-gen-heat-exchanger-w-o-removing-bumper-221176/

P.S. I'm far from a nutswinger. I like ZZP & OTTP equally.

 

Looks like the cobalt addiction h/e....they quit buying from frozen boost now? .
ZZP's are made in house from scratch, weigh like 5-8lbs (I could lift it with a finger).
I have also seen zzp's h/e bent almost in half from a crash not leaking a drop, more than I can say about others.

 

alright tell me this why would some one buy a ottp h.e and have to go get a freaking plug for it, i have had my s3 since it came out no leaks no issues. great product..... OTTP has good products but the standability to zzp, yeah they downfall by alot. And the s3 getting ino car wrecks, its been proven before. Go to zzperformance.com, and look for your self. there are articles .


thanks

 

I would go with the ZZP s3, best looking, best quality IMO and the biggest for sure

It's a tight fit but it will go

 

Wow you arent up on much are you ??

The cobalt addiction H.E. was much smaller, then this one. This is their newest design which Josh designed himself. It isn't a frozen boost or cobalt addition copy/core. Neither of those heat exchangers fill the entire grill opening so right their you know this one is different. By the way, this one weighs 8.4lbs.

Wow, going to a local hardware store to shell out a whole 89 cents is so tough to do.

I dont need to go to ZZP's website. I already know about their heat exchanger thanks

Nope, not anymore.

OTTP's 4th gen has a slightly thicker core.

 

lulz. theyre still just buying them wholesale and slapping tabs on and bumping the price......

 

Haha, you just keep proving that you know nothing about the ottp 4th gen. Josh designed this one. It isnt a random core with tabs on it like the previous models they sold.

You are also proving youre a nut hugger. I have not once said ZZP's heat exhanger sucks. I have only mentioned the differences between the two. You are knocking a product you know nothing about.

 

First off i was nto talking to you bro, i was talking with the OP. He asked whats better and apparently its not ottp. Every one says zzp, And why would someone purchase the ottp h.e and have to then go purchase the plug to take care of thre problem?? No point to purchase the ottp h.e unless you are a hardcore fan of theres.

 

Oh really? Why exactly does it have a useless drain plug in the same spot then? Please do elaborate I'd LOVE to know why he decided to weld that in there himself (NOT) .

 

Haha .... I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with a newb who knows nothing about what he's talking about. I'll let you read the thead on it, and what Josh has to say about it.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...=217552&page=3

Page 3 Post 49

 

Now you're just avoiding the question by trying to post threads that have nothing more in than your how to and resorting to internet "name calling". I repeat.

Oh really? Why exactly does it have a useless drain plug in the same spot then? Please do elaborate I'd LOVE to know why he decided to weld that in there himself (NOT).

PS my IAT2's are lower with zzps3 and an M62, at least according to your crusing temps which have no bearing on the effectiveness of the h/e but you're trying to compare them like it does. Please sit down until you know what you are talking about. Thanks.

 

I repeat: JOSH DESIGNED THE HEAT EXCHANGER. IT IS NOT A RANDOM CORE LIKE THEIR OLDER MODELS. READ PAGE 3 POST 49.

I have not once bashed ZZP's H.E. or claimed my IAT2's are lower with the OTTP H.E.

You are the one who needs to sit down. You really don't know much. Sorry.

You cant compare your IAT2's to mine, because of differences in mods & locations. All of my given numbers are averages.

 

I repeat also.....

Oh really? Why exactly does it have a useless drain plug in the same spot then? Please do elaborate I'd LOVE to know why he decided to weld that in there himself (NOT).

Please explain, if they made it themselves like zzp it wouldn't have the drain at the ******* bottom and they wouldn't have to start including plugs to plug the ******* drain. God you are stupid.

lulz yes i dont know what im talking about. please kid. Your pulley is an asshair smaller than what mine is which would equate to give or take 3-5 deg difference at the most with wishful thinking, and we live in the same state. Try again.

 

Are you retarded or can you just not read ? Page 3 Post 49 Josh clearly states he designed the h.e. himself and had it made to his specs. Your questions can go to him about why he chose to have a drain plug. I'm simply trying to explain to you that it is not an off the shelf core like their earlier model h.e., but since you are slow you arent picking up on it.

First I'm not a kid. You are proving you are maybe 18-22 years old, am I close? 2nd I am not running an M62 supercharger. I repeat do not compare your car to mine because it is totally different. Oh goody we live in the same state, but do you live in the same location? I hope so.

 

Buhaha. Would you believe the grass outside my house is blue if I told you it was too.
Need to learn to think for yourself. Maybe he had dimension requirements from whatever wholesale he bought it from but in the end it gets shipped and tabs get welded on it and that's that.

I know you're not running an m62 numbnut I can read thanks. An h62 should run cooler than an m62 which is what I was implying, sorry I will remember to spell things out more clearly for you in the future. Maybe use colors and bolding for you .

I'm not bashing them they have done plenty for this community and provide some great products and deals but if there is something better I'm not gonna suck nuts and deny it.

 

You mentioned your cruising temps are lower than mine. I would like to know what yours are? I highly doubt yours are any lower than 15* while crusing on a 90*+ day (unless youre running a dual pass endplate or meth). Mine average 15-20* over ambient on a very warm to hot day. I give averages, because in my location of PA there arent many long stretches of open roads on my daily travels. When I take a ride out to the country my IAT2's stay steady at 15* over ambient. At night/morning my IAT2's are 5-10* over ambient while crusing. So your remark saying your IAT2's are lower than mine really cant be justified. I just gave all the different senerios of my IAT2's that I've logged. So before you make a comment like "PS my IAT2's are lower with my ZZP S3 HE & M62" again, think about all the factors. I'm in no way being an ass towards you, because I'm done with the immature bickering, but I want to clarify I never said my HE was better than the ZZP S3. They are both good. I just wanted to let the OP know the other options, and that OTTP vastly improved from their 1st, 2nd, 3rd (ZZP S2) heat exchangers. That is all.

Note about the H62:

It does not run cooler than an M62. It recovers much faster after long pulls than an M62, making it more efficient. It still gets just as hot due to the increased boost levels (1.5 psi give or take) it makes at any give pulley size vs. an M62.

 

Ive got ZZP and noticed a significant drop in IAT2 that and I like the fact that it takes up the whole grill. It is functional just as it is astetically pleasing!

 

You'd might as well go buy a ZZP one because OTTP's heat exchangers are on backorder again

 

That because they have to get the parts from China LOL!!

 

lol i just bought a zzp heat exchanger...i use to have another one but this one is alot better imo....

 

Being that OTT claimed to make their HE's before and it was proved they were just chinese cores, I can see why people would be leary of believing them now. Maybe they are designed by OTT? Don't know. At ZZP we build ours from scratch. We buy raw core material, cut it to size, bend the end tanks from raw stock, etc.

Coming out with 4 different HE's and claiming each one is the end all be all and way better than that last one reminds me of a Katt Williams skit about weed. And by OTT's admission, they will design a 5th and 6th version in the future...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJMvPU1a1vI

 

^^ Lmfao.