ZZP Twin Charge...anyone install it themselves?
At the time, when i was looking to go turbo, they would not sell the kit shipped, i could only drive up there for the installation.
Appearantly this has changed, but is limited to a psi level... which im sure thru some agreements or signed documents you could have this changed.
Appearantly this has changed, but is limited to a psi level... which im sure thru some agreements or signed documents you could have this changed.
as far as i know there are two hurdles,
1. tune (not anyone can do it)
2. boost controller settings (they have got to be spot on, one controls s/c one t/c)
other than that its gonna be the same as any other "bolt on kit" there will be a snag or two but nothing one cant overcome.
the main problem is your gonna need to build the motor, or... drive around not knowing when and were its gonna take a dump lol my motor lasted 22,000+ mi before it finally blew (i am turbo not twincharged) but it finally cracked a sleeve (just did pistons first time around)
think about it this way, you will be asking for 100+hp out of each cylinder. i cant think of any motor with a .5L displacement (in other words 500cc) making 100hp so its not like this is done daily. we are asking alot out of these 2.0's
1. tune (not anyone can do it)
2. boost controller settings (they have got to be spot on, one controls s/c one t/c)
other than that its gonna be the same as any other "bolt on kit" there will be a snag or two but nothing one cant overcome.
the main problem is your gonna need to build the motor, or... drive around not knowing when and were its gonna take a dump lol my motor lasted 22,000+ mi before it finally blew (i am turbo not twincharged) but it finally cracked a sleeve (just did pistons first time around)
think about it this way, you will be asking for 100+hp out of each cylinder. i cant think of any motor with a .5L displacement (in other words 500cc) making 100hp so its not like this is done daily. we are asking alot out of these 2.0's
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1: compounded boost and twincharged should not be used interchangeably like you just did
2: the purpose of twincharging is so the SC can provide the low end torque and instant power needed wile you're massive turbos spool up. You choose larger than normal turbos because you don't need to worry about spool/lag time with a twincharge setup, so you're looking solely at airflow/efficiency. You don't want the SC compounding the boost once it has switched to the turbos because the SC will NOT flow what the turbos do, and will only add heat and parasitic losses. It IS however, far easier to set up and tune for a compounded setup than a sequential setup.
2: the purpose of twincharging is so the SC can provide the low end torque and instant power needed wile you're massive turbos spool up. You choose larger than normal turbos because you don't need to worry about spool/lag time with a twincharge setup, so you're looking solely at airflow/efficiency. You don't want the SC compounding the boost once it has switched to the turbos because the SC will NOT flow what the turbos do, and will only add heat and parasitic losses. It IS however, far easier to set up and tune for a compounded setup than a sequential setup.
BTW, charged air is still moving thru the blower w/ the bypass open. There are a few kits that compound boost like the aforementioned kit for the terminator cobras.
And the compound formula was in response to the compound boost statement of 10 + 12 = 22
Compound boost facts: http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...boost-resource
Not our car, but compound system http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...article&id=141
Last edited by WickedSS2005; Dec 3, 2009 at 01:43 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
You contradict yourself.
BTW, charged air is still moving thru the blower w/ the bypass open. There are a few kits that compound boost like the aforementioned kit for the terminator cobras.
And the compound formula was in response to the compound boost statement of 10 + 12 = 22
Compound boost facts: http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...boost-resource
Not our car, but compound system http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...article&id=141
BTW, charged air is still moving thru the blower w/ the bypass open. There are a few kits that compound boost like the aforementioned kit for the terminator cobras.
And the compound formula was in response to the compound boost statement of 10 + 12 = 22
Compound boost facts: http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...boost-resource
Not our car, but compound system http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...article&id=141
and yea, i understood why you explained compound boost, but im curious more how it ever came up...lol
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Here is where compound boost came into the thread:
Going from statement one of yours of not ever compounding twincharge setups, to the end of your 2nd statement of it being easier to tune a compound setup. See the bold items in my post above
Tuning is big hurddle... altho a speed density set up with be a good solution, but from what i understand the emc wont read higher than 16psi. It sounds like there setup is more a sequential boost set up then a compound boost. were the supercharger dose work lowdown then the bypass valve opens and the turbo takes over and dose most of the work. a set up like that takes some crafty tuning. so i think all installs are done at zzp
to me going speed density and running a compound boost setup sounds so much easer to tune. were the sc is set for a max psi and the turbo is set for a max like sc=12psi turbo=10 psi so you get a total pressure of 22psi
to me going speed density and running a compound boost setup sounds so much easer to tune. were the sc is set for a max psi and the turbo is set for a max like sc=12psi turbo=10 psi so you get a total pressure of 22psi
i didnt say it never happens, i said ZZP doesnt use a compounded boost setup. they set theirs up to be sequential. Also, while it is easier to set up and tune for a compounded boost setup (like my second post says), it is more efficient to run a sequential setup (like my first post says).
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