Yes he is and please please do ignore him. I tried to explain it to him but he no get it. 12psi from an m62 is only going to give you around a 50HP gain. 8psi from a decent turbo will give you 90-100HP gain.

 

Ehh, 12 psi from an M62 is gonna give you a bit more than 50HP.

 

my bad. 55HP gain you will get from a stock M62.

 

My clutch was also starting to slip on 3.0 pulley last week with this cold weather in 3rd gear and up when i mashed on it. Hate that feeling. No worries here now though, I'm back to bone stock

On the 2.4, it's about 75whp with stock pulley. I'd imagine the 2.2 is pretty close to that as well.

 

That might be right but everywhere I read that sells the whole s/c setup they all say the kit will take your ecotec engine from 145hp to 200hp. You can check the pace performance website. But that would be sweet if it is 75hp gain.

 

Canned tune could easily gyp you out of 20 crank hp. And most people who do the M62 install also have supporting mods to accompany it (intake, exhaust, cooling mods, etc.) I've never even heard of the pace supercharger kit, so I"m not even sure what it all comes with.

 

the kit on pace is unintercooled and as such runs much less timing than an intercooled setup would on a 2.2 or 2.4
The average 2.2 makes 200whp+ with a stock pulley (up from about 125whp) and the average 2.4 makes about 220whp with a stock pulley.

Then throw in the fact that almost everyone who installs this uses a 3.0" pulley instead of the stock 3.34"

 

No problem at all. We're all here to help. Without the forum my project would not have gone as well.

So you went back to the stock pulley? It is really getting difficult to give it any type of gas in 3rd gear or the clutch is not going to work out too well.

I'm certainly going to have to get a new clutch to handle this hp. I am not going to mess around with it.

I've just moved so it has been a little hectic. Vince is tuning my car for the CAI still, and we're pretty close now. It has a lot of ***** but clutch can't handle it.

 

gene you still got those bolts?

 

Took everything off actually. But if I had kept it on, it needed either a clutch or stock pulley to handle the tq during the colder months.

 

GENE I need a lil help. okay im going to turbo my 2.0 and selling my sc kit. well I was told I need to keep these.. scip and iat1-2 sensors and boost control soloniod on the driverside top of engine. so that means when i sell my kit those will be missing . I have an idividual ready to buy the kit and im pretty sure they would need those. you have part numbers and prices? if you do that will help so i can tell them about it and help them out to get a full set up from me

 

gene i also need to know if you still have those bolts for sell, never got a yay or nay

 

I see. It is definitely a problem during the winter months. I'm just going to get a clutch to eliminate the issue.

The non-factory supercharged models don't need a boost control solenoid. We leave the bottom of the supercharger bypass actuator open. The MAP sensor depends on which one the person wants to use. They more than likely will use the IAT1 on the intake and they can put a plug in the SC in place of the original IAT1 for looks and also the cheap expense. You can have the person contact me directly and I'll help with whatever parts they need.

Sorry, I have been away for a couple of days. I don't know what bolts you are referring to. Please let me know.

 

okay thanks a lot and yes Ill have him do that. apreciate that. yeah ill be selling him my sc, intake mani, intake, ic pump and bracket. sc belt, pulley, heat exchanger, tensioner whatever i wont need for my turbo swap

 

Good luck with everything and I'm always here to help.

 

thx i got a complete kit should not have too many problems. cant wait to go turbo and help this other member sc his 2.2. just like i got helped im trying to help them

 

hey gene have you managed to get a parts list yet? I'm still keepin this all in mind and eventually wanna boost the balt. I just gotta get my other little things first. ha ha still cant find a damn sts for around a hundred bucks

 

Sure, here is my latest list.

This list is broken down to bare essentials for supercharging only and then adds the optional exhaust and optional wiper conversion lists. What type of injectors, pulley’s and other items you choose to change are strictly up to you. This is the list that I used and have modified it for a universal parts list.

Supercharger Related Parts Only
(Bare Essentials To SC Your 2.2 or 2.4)

New GM Parts

12575463 – LSJ TB Gasket
11900248 – LSJ TB To SC Bolts (4)
12584342 – LSJ Supercharger Gasket
12594387 – LSJ IC Pump Insulator
89046833 – IC Pump Connector
12597855 – LSJ Intake Manifold Gasket
12597993 – LSJ Stage 2 Serpentine Belt
15247280 – LSJ Upper Radiator Hose
15411879 – 2005 Cavalier Injector Wiring Harness
15253932 – LSJ Power Brake Booster Vacuum Hose
12584369 – LSJ TB To Purge Solenoid Tube
12585150 – LSJ IC Pump Rear Bracket To Intake Manifold Mount
12586367 – LSJ IC Pump Front Bracket To Rear Bracket
12586632 – LSJ Lower Intake Manifold Mount
11516342 – LSJ Intake Manifold Mount To Block Bolts (2)
11589214 – LSJ Supercharger to Intake Manifold Bolts (4)
12345982 – Genuine GM Supercharger Oil (Qty 2) 4 oz ea))

Purchasing the LSJ power brake booster hose takes care of 2 issues. I cut off the ends of my 2.2 hose and used it as a PCV hose from the valve cover to the LSJ air intake hose. It gives you the correct hose from your power brake booster to SC and gives you a factory looking formed hose for your PCV hose.

New Non- GM Parts

ZZP Heat Exchanger
GlowShift Vacuum | Boost Gauge
AEM Wideband Air | Fuel Ratio Gauge
OTTP 2.9 Polished Pulley (For Stage 2 Hub)
M-8501-L54 Ford Racing Intercooler Pump
NGK Copper Spark Plugs (Part# LFR6A-11) (Also one step colder)

Copper plugs are better than Iridium plugs or any other plugs for supercharged applications. People have gaps anywhere from .035 to .040. They come .040 and that is what I am using.

Used Parts

Eaton M62 Supercharger
GM Stage 2 Injectors (42lbs)
Stock LSJ Air Intake
Stock LSJ Tensioner
Stock LSJ Idler Pulley
Stock LSJ Throttle Body
Stock LSJ Intake Manifold
Stock LSJ Alternator Bracket

Optional Parts

ZZP Triple Gauge Pod
Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge

Injector Harness

I used the 2005 Cavalier injector wiring harness because it came with the proper connectors for using the original GM 42.5 lb Stage 2 injectors. I did have to splice my MAP sensor connector in from my original harness as I started out with the stock MAP sensor.

MAP Sensor

You can choose to use 3 different MAP sensors for your conversion. Which MAP sensor you choose will also depend on the connector needed to be used.

Stock MAP
This MAP sensor fits into the LSJ intake manifold, but you must modify the opening in the sensor where it screws into the intake. How I modified the sensor is in my SC build thread. This is the least expensive option and is the least hassle option.

LSJ 1 Bar MAP
This is the MAP sensor that is used in the SC on the stock LSJ. We can take that sensor and use it in the LSJ intake manifold. You will need to modify a means to secure it and also seal it to the LSJ intake manifold. How I modified this sensor to fit my car is also in my SC build thread. I would honestly say this is the least optimal choice out of the 3 possibilities for me.

LSJ 2.5 Bar MAP
This is the real MAP sensor used on the stock LSJ in the intake manifold. It best fits the stock LSJ intake manifold (obviously). This MAP sensor also has a temp sensor, otherwise known as IAT2 (Intake Air Temperature 2). Our cars cannot read the temp without modification. How I did the 2.5 bar MAP sensor conversion to read IAT2’s is also in my SC build thread.

Throttle Body Connector

If you are using the LSJ throttle body the connector you’ll need to have is an 8 pin. Regardless of what connector you do have or if you have to purchase the 8 pin, you will need to wire them for the LSJ TB.

2005 – 2006 2.2’s have an 8 pin connector. No new connector is needed.
2007+ 2.2’s have a 6 pin connector and you will need the 8 pin connector.

2006 – 2007 2.4’s have an 8 pin connector. No new connector is needed.
2008+ 2.4’s have a 6 pin connector and you will need the 8 pin connector.

If you need the 8 pin connector you’ll need the one below.

88986255 – LSJ 8 Pin TB Connector

Supercharger Cooling System

New GM Parts

22697069 – LSC SC Coolant Reservoir
15076936 – LSJ SC Coolant Reservoir Cap
15271970 – LSJ SC Coolant Reservoir Bracket
22697111 – LSJ SC Coolant Reservoir Overflow Hose
22699879 – LSJ SC Coolant Reservoir Inlet To Top Intake Manifold End Plate Hose
22707607 – LSJ Bottom Intake Manifold End Plate To Intercooler Pump Outlet Hose

Hose routing is with using ZZP heat exchanger only with 10 feet of ž heater hose. The house routing diagram I used is in my SC build thread.

First hose went from LSJ SC coolant reservoir outlet to ZZP heat exchanger inlet.
Second hose went from intercooler pump inlet to ZZP heat exchanger outlet.

I chose the stock SC cooling system for now. If you choose to use option B or any other alternative then you will need different hoses and lengths of hose.

I am running a 2.9 pulley with the ZZP heat exchanger only and my IAT2 temps are within +20 to +30 above ambient temp (which is optimal). Of course in traffic or during heavy WOT runs the temps are higher as expected (which is normal). This cooling method is very adequate.

Standard Bolts Needed (Not GM)

MAP To Intake Manifold
M6 x 1.0 x 25 (Qty 1)

LSJ Intake Manifold Mount Bracket To Intake Manifold
M10 X 1.50 x 50 (Qty 1)

LSJ Rear IC Pump Bracket To Intake Manifold Mount
M8 X 1.25 X 25 – (Qty 2)

LSJ Front IC Pump Bracket To Rear IC Pump Bracket
M8 X 1.25 X 35 – (Qty 2)

LSJ Idler Pulley To Alternator Bracket
M8 x 1.25 x 25

LSJ Intake Manifold To Block
M6 x 1.0 X 75 (Qty 2)
M6 x 1.0 x 25 (Qty 5)

LSJ Alternator Bracket To Block
M8 X 1.25 X 130 (Qty 3)

LSJ SC Bypass Valve To SC
M8 X 1.25 X 20 (Qty 2)

LSJ Tensioner Lower To Alternator Bracket
M8 x 1.25 x 35

LSJ Tensioner Upper To Alternator Bracket
M8 X 1.25 x 40… not standard bolt though. Has to be metric hex socket bolt.

LSJ SC Reservoir Bracket To SC
M6 x 1.0 x 15 (Qty 2)

LSJ SC Reservoir To SC Reservoir Bracket
M6 x 1.0 x 15 (Qty 2)

End of bare essentials list to supercharge your 2.2 or 2.4. The rest of the list below is simply optional.

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Exhaust Parts (Optional)

GM Parts

90537953 – LSJ Exhaust Manifold Heat Shield
15231157 – LSJ Downpipe To Cat Back Gasket
15235773 – LSJ Exhaust Manifold To Downpipe Gasket

Use your stock 2.2 or 2.4 exhaust manifold gasket, or buy new, as if you used the LSJ exhaust manifold gasket it wouldn’t fit properly and you would have an exhaust leak and/or noise.

Used Parts

Stock LSJ Downpipe
Stock LSJ Exhaust Manifold

The stock LSJ downpipe works on any manual shift car. It does not fit the automatic because of the way the automatic engine sits in the vehicle.

The LSJ exhaust manifold and LSJ downpipe are much bigger to allow more exhaust to exit the engine. This is important as you are forcing more air into the engine with the supercharger so you need to provide adequate output as well. Feel free to purchase your aftermarket selection of header/dp combo.

Windshield Wiper Conversion (Optional)

GM Parts

22729469 – LSJ Windshield Washer Container
22732432 – LSJ Wiper Cowl To Washer Container Hose

You’re moving the LSJ air intake to the left side of the vehicle and that is where the 2.2 and 2.4 windshield wiper container is. The container I listed includes a new pump, grommet, cap and hose to attach to wiper cowl hose. The wiper cowl to container hose I list is the original GM hose on the LSJ that goes from the left side of the wiper cowl (where ours is) and takes it to the right side where it meets up with the LSJ washer container that I list. As far as the connector for the pump, I cut the end of the connector off and added new wire to loom it from the left side of the car to the right side of the car to the new container location. I ran the loom across the top of the inside of the radiator support where there is already a loom running for something else. I ran it inside its own loom and wire tired to the existing loom.

 

Gene, I wanted to point out that, for the wiper conversion, you don't need to buy a new washer line. You can just pull the stock line off of the wiper nozzles and flip it around. The line is plenty long to reach the LSJ's washer tank in its new location and you can even reuse the metal clip (after flipping it around as well) to keep the hose away from moving or hot parts.

 

On my car that wasn't really possible. If you haven't noticed, I'm pretty picky and I wanted to buy the right stuff to make my car look as factory as possible. The list given was, again, what I did to my car and what I think should be needed. People are free to do everything on my list, nothing on my list, or whatever they want.

 

Well, I changed the oil for the first time with the SC on, on Sunday. Ugh.. it was terrible. With the supercharger bypass valve and the TB in the way, I had to get the wife to lift the filter up out of the housing and hand it to me while I was reaching from underneath. That totally sucked.

I data logged the car yesterday and sent them to Vince. Hopefully he'll give me a fine tune.

 

It's about that time for me to do it as well - ugh, not looking forward to it - especially since it's 35 degrees outside now, and I don't have a garage to work in...

 

Yeah, I was thinking about how the hell I'd do that as well. It's not going to be fun at all. Is the LSJ's oil filter in a slightly different location than the LAP/L61/LE5?

I'd think that at least removing the throttle body would aid in getting the filter out.

I only have 200 miles on this oil change (Mobil 1), so I've got a ways to go before mine needs changing.

Any idea if running the 5k or 10k mile blends would have any adverse affects on a car that is going to be flogged Autocrossing?

 

I am thankful to have a garage. I fired up my kerosene heater and it was 70 degrees in there in less than an hour, lol.

The L61 and LE5 locations are not different. I'd like to know where it is on the LSJ though. You can remove the TB, but that is a pain, especially with the cold air intake and all on there. It was easier for me to have my wife hand it down to me below. I don't know about the oil... I just use the Mobil1 5W30 fully synthetic.

 

That's precisely what I run. Good stuff.