FYI - Devilsown Brew methanol frozen solid, 0-25% content
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Yay a Chemist!! I will check that TD TC out, I was wondering about this as I was trying to get the last drops to drop when pouring from the cylinder, thinking how imprecise that was. I did an initial test with distilled water, 15 mL added to a test tube, the import graduated cylinder I used was for 10 mL. I do have a 50 mL cylinder, but figured the smaller one has better resolution. I tared the scale and measured 14g. Could be the operator messing it up too. I have weight standards (including 15g), the scale is spot on. That was enough for me to consider the hydrometer as the next best alternative, but would like to see the empirical test results to confirm this.
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If you can tare the scale with one of the cylinders on there that's going to be the best. They're likely TC not TD, the TD cylinders open up more at the top generally. The hydrometer will likely be less accurate in the overall, but for single digit accuracy (0.X) it will work.
As you already said, the mass measurement method will be more accurate than a hydrometer for density. I agree it's less accurate but it still does work, and it was much worse since I didn't have a proper container to measure with the hydrometer so it kept sticking to the side, however for a split second I could help neutralize the hydrometer enough to get a general reading. I could have used a bigger container (larger diameter), but required too large of a sample size to fill it up so the hydrometer doesn't touch bottom. Since I did 17 samples, I wanted to try and be consistent with the test method so I stuck with the less optimal container for the hydrometer test.
An interesting detail I learned is with the Ethanol scaled Refractometer readings, where the Density and SG took on a linear relationship, the Refractometer readings took on a Parabolic relationship!! Mind blown, and explains why googling "Methanol Refractometer" yields nothing significant. The Apex of the parabola is 50/50 mixture of H20 and Methanol, so for example 20% Meth and 80% Meth content yield nearly the same Ethanol Refractometer reading.
I will tell you, Snow Performance and Devilsown are ripping us off*. Even if we say there is a +/- 5% error in my measurements, Boost Juice is the same thing as [-20F Blue Washer fluid + Yellow Bottle Heet]. Devilsown is closer to being distilled water than it is to being regular Blue Washer Fluid.
*based on this empirical testing
For the detailed results of this testing and how I tested it, stay tuned for a link to the video (still post-processing it).
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I'm really surprised they would do this intentionally. Methanol isn't that expensive for one and it is also fairly easy for someone to test content. This could lead to detonation if someone was tuned for a proper 50:50 mixtures and they throw this stuff in being mostly water. Also, like you had, it can freeze in the system. I don't understand why they would sell an incorrectly proportioned product which when used would hinder performance of or potentially damage the injection system they sell.
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I'm really surprised they would do this intentionally. Methanol isn't that expensive for one and it is also fairly easy for someone to test content. This could lead to detonation if someone was tuned for a proper 50:50 mixtures and they throw this stuff in being mostly water. Also, like you had, it can freeze in the system. I don't understand why they would sell an incorrectly proportioned product which when used would hinder performance of or potentially damage the injection system they sell.
It is mind blowing, both companies failed. I totally expected Boost Juice to be the hero.
I cant speak for small companies like Devilsown and Snow Performance, but for sure at the many gigantic companies I've worked at, it comes down to lack of accountability and the "not my problem" mentality.
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What density measurements were you getting?
Here is a blend table relating to density
http://www.methanol.org/wp-content/u...ater-Mixes.pdf
Here is a blend table relating to density
http://www.methanol.org/wp-content/u...ater-Mixes.pdf
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if devils own was doing things properly every jug would have a batch number on it, and every batch should have all the info on the mix recorded so they have it on record. on top of it they should keep a jug from every batch for a time period so if any problems arise they can retest it without having to have a customer ship it back to them.
im gonna go out on a limb here though. a drum of methanol is around $500, although im sure they are able to buy it cheaper buying in quantity, we will just go with $500.
$500 in product + filtered tap water at 50/50 mix gives you roughly 110 gallons of saleable product, at $28 a jug. $2250 profit.
now if you drop that down to 25% mix, you get $5660 profit off that one drum of methanol.
just food for thought
im gonna go out on a limb here though. a drum of methanol is around $500, although im sure they are able to buy it cheaper buying in quantity, we will just go with $500.
$500 in product + filtered tap water at 50/50 mix gives you roughly 110 gallons of saleable product, at $28 a jug. $2250 profit.
now if you drop that down to 25% mix, you get $5660 profit off that one drum of methanol.
just food for thought
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if devils own was doing things properly every jug would have a batch number on it, and every batch should have all the info on the mix recorded so they have it on record. on top of it they should keep a jug from every batch for a time period so if any problems arise they can retest it without having to have a customer ship it back to them.
im gonna go out on a limb here though. a drum of methanol is around $500, although im sure they are able to buy it cheaper buying in quantity, we will just go with $500.
$500 in product + filtered tap water at 50/50 mix gives you roughly 110 gallons of saleable product, at $28 a jug. $2250 profit.
now if you drop that down to 25% mix, you get $5660 profit off that one drum of methanol.
just food for thought
im gonna go out on a limb here though. a drum of methanol is around $500, although im sure they are able to buy it cheaper buying in quantity, we will just go with $500.
$500 in product + filtered tap water at 50/50 mix gives you roughly 110 gallons of saleable product, at $28 a jug. $2250 profit.
now if you drop that down to 25% mix, you get $5660 profit off that one drum of methanol.
just food for thought
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So they def could get it cheaper buying larger quantities. The profit margin on it is insane for them.
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I'm sure tap is fine. I just use distilled because I know it won't leave anything behind and it's not that expensive no more than I use. I also use distilled when I refill radiators. Again no more than I do it I figure I'll spend the extra $0.50 or whatever it is a gallon more for pure water.
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