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Old 04-07-2009, 05:37 AM
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lsj full supporting mods(full exhaust, raw cai with ls4 throttle body) 2.6 pulley with 60 lbs injectors, dual pass h/e, ais stage 1 meth injection kit.

my question is: what meth to water mixture should i have to get maximum power output from my street tune?
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http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...duct_info.html

^^^ thats the full kit i need to install this right? comes with everything just making sure i read it right going to nget this just for insurance on my 2.2sc
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Originally Posted by ajjaro
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lsj full supporting mods(full exhaust, raw cai with ls4 throttle body) 2.6 pulley with 60 lbs injectors, dual pass h/e, ais stage 1 meth injection kit.

my question is: what meth to water mixture should i have to get maximum power output from my street tune?

50/50 meth/water should do the trick just fine. If you're looking more for octane boost, try 60/40, but make sure you tune for it. I'm not a whiz at this stuff, but I would assume you need to retard timing a little for that mixture. Anyone else got feedback here?
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Old 04-10-2009, 07:40 PM
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Ok. I have a stage 2 trunk mount kit. I just bought the stainless lines and the dual connection that I want for my ss/sc. I want the mix to atomize better so what size nozzles do I need for it to be effective?
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the ones they give you in the kit should be fine, unless you're running two nozzles, in which case i wouldn't know. I'm assuming you are, so I would thing you would need one nozzle larger than the one they give you.
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:16 PM
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anyone ever try the direct port for the water/meth kits?????
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hey i have a front mount kit right now...but where do you guys have it mounted in the engine bay???it needs to be below my windsheild wiper tank and i have no idea where to go with besides the bumper beam in back or the fans. any sugg.???
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Originally Posted by brett5
hey i have a front mount kit right now...but where do you guys have it mounted in the engine bay???it needs to be below my windsheild wiper tank and i have no idea where to go with besides the bumper beam in back or the fans. any sugg.???
What kit do you have? nvm I see it in your sig.

Why does it need to be below the washer tank? Its a pump, it will suck it vertically. Or am I missing something? Do they have a gravity fed pump or something?

I have a Devils own kit and I mounted mine on the fender, where the option B tank would go, basically.

I would worry about water damage if the pump is that low, unless they are completely sealed.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:44 PM
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AIS, does Holy water work better than distilled? I'm thinking about getting my tank blessed
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Originally Posted by mexi_loco
50/50 meth/water should do the trick just fine. If you're looking more for octane boost, try 60/40, but make sure you tune for it. I'm not a whiz at this stuff, but I would assume you need to retard timing a little for that mixture. Anyone else got feedback here?
you can advance your timing more with water meth..


question for you water/meth gurus, i put some parade windshield washer fluid in which im going to assume is ~40% meth/60% water, i could and probably am wrong, and i also added a bottle of heet, im curious as to what you would estimate my ratio to be? would it be closer to 50/50 or would it be higher?

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Originally Posted by evilmonkitar
you can advance your timing more with water meth..


question for you water/meth gurus, i put some parade windshield washer fluid in which im going to assume is ~40% meth/60% water, i could and probably am wrong, and i also added a bottle of heet, im curious as to what you would estimate my ratio to be? would it be closer to 50/50 or would it be higher?

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thanks for the correction. and for your help, i give you this thread:

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/south-central-60/meth-fluid-help-155857/

hope that helps.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:16 PM
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ahh cool thanks
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I think my meth pump just went out, it has a proper ground/power supply, fuse is fine. It just won't spray, plugged the power line directly up to the always on metal piece and it didn't spray. What should I do about this? Would AIS send me a new one? It's the trunk mount stage 1 kit.
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What is the max amount of water meth that should be allowed to be sprayed pre turbo?
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As much as i should read through the last 15 pages, im kinda lazy so here goes. For your stage 2 kit, it states it can be ran as a 2 dimensional system using 0-5V, MAP, MAF, etc. Also it states free windows based software AVAILABLE. I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together here. Is the water meth system tuned by the included software? and if so, what would someone need to change? Do you guys offer advice and tuning help for the engine, as in if i hook up the system get it going and than scan with my HP Tuners, can i send the data log for you guys to review and adjust my timing, boost, etc?
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:05 PM
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All New AIS Competition Rear Trunk Mount Water Methanol Injection Systems

Were proud to announce the release of our all new "Competition Series" trunk mount water methanol injection systems. We designed this specifically for our racers in mind. While the tank sports a simple, clean fuel cell look from above. Its package with a lot of new features as listed below making it very functional as well.

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Old 01-14-2010, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxim_X
What is the max amount of water meth that should be allowed to be sprayed pre turbo?
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Old 01-14-2010, 04:34 PM
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There's a lot of factors to consider. Such as the type of fluid your spraying, how much boost, how much horsepower, type intercooler or if its non-intercooled, etc. It varies with every application. We do pre-compressor injection on a lot of dual turbo 1200+ horsepower setups which require a lot more then a 400 horsepower engine. Just varies.

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im thinking 20-22 psi. 320-370 hp range maybe for now
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im thinking 20-22 psi. 320-370 hp range maybe for now
On a set up like yours I would use a number 2-3 GPH nozzle pre-turbo when using a 50/50 mix or washer fluid. If using pure methanol run a number 5 GPH nozzle. Let me know if you have any other questions or how I can help.

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Old 04-22-2010, 10:10 AM
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hello AIS Ive been reading the prior posts and was curious if you could explain to me if metanol would be useful on a fully bolted NA L61, i know its effects are really worth while for FI applications but I was playing with the idea, I would need tuning correct?
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Originally Posted by AIS
On a set up like yours I would use a number 2-3 GPH nozzle pre-turbo when using a 50/50 mix or washer fluid. If using pure methanol run a number 5 GPH nozzle. Let me know if you have any other questions or how I can help.

Rodney
that high of a flow rate prior to the turbo? I thought you wanna keep it .5-1GPH to not damage the turbo.
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