^^awesome thanks for the response. I actually bought the stage 1 kit (at what psi should i start spraying?), and i was planning on running a 50/50 mix. if methanol just richens up the a/f ratio the more methanol i add to the mix, could i just substitute with an even smaller pulley than my 2.9? i only have 42lb'ers, but the way your explaining it seems like if i make sure my tank if is filled and i run a smaller pulley, although my injectors will be almost maxed out, i would be able to get the affed "fuel" from the methanol in my injection. am i interpreting this right? what mix should i expect to run w/o a tune?

sorry for all the questions, but as i've been reading you guys have been nothing but help.

 

For the Stage 1 system, have it activate at approx. 75% of your total peak boost. For example, if your running a total of 15 psi, adjust the system so that it activates at 11psi.

As for your questions about the mixture. Begin by running a 50/50 mixture of water and methanol. If you run higher percentages of methanol or pure methanol, it is going to have an increased effect on richening up your air fuel ratio. Even when adding the smaller pulley your going to need to retune the ECU if you run pure methanol.

A water methanol injection system can be used as a tool to bring in additional fuel and ease the load on your fuel system. This is a very common trick we do with Mustangs. Often times customers will begin ot max out their 39 or 42 lbs injectors and 255 intake fuel pump. Adding a water methanol injection system and running pure methanol helps pick up where their fuel system begins to drop off. In addition to all the other benefits a methanol injection system has to offer the engine. So its like upgrading your fuel system and intercooling your car at the same time.

Without a tune run a 70/30 mix of water and methanol. This will not affect your air fuel ratio by much. Your motor will be fine with a little extra fuel.

 

is there local stores that sell pre-mixed alcohol/water that i can stop and buy from or is just a online deal?
i think the online stuff is a little over priced

and what is the mixture in window washer fluild??? thanks for any info

 

There are a few company's which sell a 50/50 mix of water methanol in one gallon containers which you can buy in four packs. By the time you add shipping your spending between $50.00-$60.00 for essentially 2 gallons of methanol and 2 gallons of water. While this is convenient, there are more affordable solutions.

One solution many people use is windshield wiper fluid. Here is a link to a thread in which we discuss the various type of windshield wiper fluids and precautions when choosing a windshield wiper fluid.

Another alternative is denatured alcohol. This can easily be purchased at Home Depot or Lowes and can be found in the paint department. Denatured alcohol is essentially ethanol with a little methanol added to make it undrinkable for human consumption. While not as good as methanol, ethanol is still an excellent alternative.

Another idea would be to call VP Fuels and ask them is they have any dealers in your area which have methanol on hand. You could then buy yourself a five gallon fuel container and purchase 5 gallons of methanol which you could mix at yourself. Mixing this 50/50 with water would give you enough to last the better part of a year. Furthermore, it would cost you less then the online alternatives.

Hope this helps you out. Let us know if you have any other questions or how we can help.

 

first of all, thanx for answering all of our questions about this system, n ur doing a great job.

now for my question: do i have the option of upgrading to the stage 2 kit from stage 1? is it only the progressive controller that makes up the difference, and how much is it more? i'm almost sure that i will be purchasing one of ur systems when i'm ready but i would just like the stage 1 for now, then eventually upgrade to stg2(if available) once i get into more power mods with pullies n tunes.

 

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Absolutely. The only difference is the controller. At anytime in the future you can simply add the controller to the Stage 1 system by connecting the two wires from the controller to the two wires on the pump to upgrade it to a Stage 2. Best of all, the price difference is essentially the same when adding the controller later.

Hope this answers your questions. Let me know if you have any other questions or how I can help.

 

thank you! this is a great thread!!!

 

Sure thing. Let us know if you have any other questions or how we can help.

 

so i just recently hooked up my kit, and i got 2 DTC codes. P0101 and p0121 both having to do with the motor sensing more air (though i'm not spraying before the MAF). is this a bad thing? like are these codes not good?

also, my local walmarts don't have any supertech wwf, or anything like that. is it alright to use the cheap -20* valuecraft w/o deicer from autozone?

 

Whats the name on the order so we can look up your information and see what nozzles were sent to you and the type of system your working with? Stage 1 or Stage 2.

Where exactly did you position the nozzle?

What type of fluid are you currently using?

Yes, -20 Valecraft is fine.

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Rodney

 

i am running a 25/75 mix denatured alcohol to water. i actually didnt buy a kit straight from you, i bought a stage 1 kit used with everything i needed. and i positioned the nozzle about 3 inches past MAF sensor on the back side of the intake. also, i have gotten a couple misfires at WOT. i think im just gonna empty out the alcohol and use the valuecraft but mix it...do you happen to know the percentages in that?

 

Do you have a pic of where your nozzle is mounted?

Are you able to mount on/in the stock plastic air intake before the throttle body?

 

What size nozzle are you running? It may just be you have to large of a nozzle.

 

Ok, I'm a noob when it comes to this... but I plan on getting the stage 3 ecm and running a 50 shot of nitrous. But can i also run the meth?? I basically wanna run the meth on 100 octane mode with 93 pump gas but idk if it would be safe to run meth & nitrous together?

 

it's the "M3" nozzle. but i think i found the problem. i took out m MAF and it was all wet, and i hadnt sprayed in a day. so i'm gonna relocate the nozzle and hopefully thats it! thanks!

 

move the nozzle further up the stream

 

Sounds like your using another competitors system since we do not use inside threaded nozzles such as the McMaster M3 nozzle which can come loose and pass through the engine.

Moving forward. Can you post a picture of your nozzle placement? You may have your nozzle too close to the throttle body. Additionally, does this system you are using have a check valve or solenoid?

 

plug the hole, move the nozzle 4 inches away from the tb. you're getting puddling.

 

by the way you explained an M3 nozzle, i don't think that's what i have. i thought that wa just the common nozzle that all LSJ kits got. here is where i had the nozzle originally. when i first put it in, it looked like it wouldnt spray over the MAF. well i guess it did b/c the maf was wet. it's hard to see but you get the point




now here is where i have it now. i've also increased the meth in the mix, and am now using wwf/distilled water for about 40/60 meth/water.



it runs better where the nozzle is now, but i still get the P0103 code (though it is so far from the MAF and close to the TB, and i've only sprayed twice), and yes i have a check valve. however, the checkvalve is mounted right off the pump, so i think it would be a good idea to place it right before the injector nozzle so nothing drips through from the line. the problem i am having is that when i do spray, right when i let off the throttle to shift, the car drops rpm real fast.

it was already as far away form the TB as i could w/o it being before the maf. see above to where i have it now, where it runs much better but i still get the P0103 code. i've only sprayed twice where it is now so if it's bad i can change it.

 

sorry to interupt but my question wasn't answered...
Ok, I'm a noob when it comes to this... but I plan on getting the stage 3 ecm and running a 50 shot of nitrous. But can i also run the meth?? I basically wanna run the meth on 100 octane mode with 93 pump gas but idk if it would be safe to run meth & nitrous together?

 

Lets begin by inspecting your mass air as it is now. If its wet, let it dry off before reinstalling it. While your working with it inspect the inside of your cold air system and wipe it out clean as were going to come back and inspect it again later.

Once everything is reinstalled, clear the code and try again. If the code appears again, check the mass air meter immediately to see if its wet while inspecting the inside of your cold air pipe for evidence of water or run off.

This is not a problem we experience with other Cobalts. I believe it has a lot to do with the design of your cold air pipe which is routing straight down coming right off of the TB rather then off to the side towards the drivers side fender as most due. Additionally, these superchargers build back pressure through the rotors which can contribute to this problem and getting water to drop down on the mass air meter.

Furthermore, we have not established what size nozzle you are using. This is another factor which needs to be know.

 

take the maf out. use CRC mas air flow cleaner. spray in the direction of said air flow. if this does not cure problem. you most likely fried it.

 

the reason the intake pipe is like that is because i have an ion redline...same basis, it's the stock routing path. anywho, i cleaned off the MAF like you said, and yes it was initially wet, along with some drops of water on the inside of the intake pipe. the code has not come back yet, but i am still getting some hesitation. i will find out the size of the nozzle next. thanks

the thing is, the maf works fine after i clean it off/dry it off and reinstall it and don't spray. then right when i spray, i get the code and the hesitation.

thanks to both you guys with your help so far, i do appreciate it.

 

have you logged it to see what the hz is doing?