YES.... it can die!

 

i have probably over 300 passes at the track. Once again your questioning my knowledge and once again i will proove you wrong, just like i did with the ms3, the pulley, the dyno, and now this.

He did not misshift, he did not heat soak, if he did either of the two he would not trap 104, btw his 13.7 is at 104 as well. Meaning he was hitting his peak trap. Wtf is so hard to understand? YOur questioning my experience? Do you even realize what it takes to hit a 1.9 60? Did you ever in life experience a 1.9 60? It feels alot different than the typical 2.1-2.3 **** you guys run, turst me on that. Hitting a 1.9 60 on street tires is almost impossible with a fwd car on stock tires. Especially when it 13.9 @ 104, meaning the tree fucked up. Ill bet you 100 bucks he has never in his life hit another sub 2.0 with that car the way it is on street tires.

btw i LOVE how he posted the timeslip of it.

Edit: Another ms3 gets tuned
Mods: My mods include:
ETS TMIC
HKS BOV
CPE Engine management
Streetunit EMU (motor mount)
MS CAI
TurboXS downpipe + racepipe. (stock catback)
306whp 376wtq. He is from colorado at over 5k feet in elevation. God damn my credit cards a burning a hole in my wallet right now. I must resist the temptation to go into debt lol

 

I do not doubt your driving ability--So what I am thinking is the average driver in your ms3 is going to be .3-.5 slower than you, right? That would have made your car a high 13-low 14 second car with an average driver= slower than your average stage II. Am I off base here? BTW my old '87 GN would do mid/high 1.60s w/slicks....

 

how in the world do you have that much experience.....
yet you dont understand how 2 slips can differ in that way without it being "ZOMG BS!!!!"

 

i have ran faster with slower 60's and trapped higher my car must be weird then right

 

but your trap was high. i think his point is how do you do a 1.9 60, trap 104, and then run a 13.9 or whatever. he launched like a bandit, was obviously pulling hard if he trapped 104. you guys keep saying one or the other, which is not the same.

using your example, imagine if you had the same trap speed, but a lower 60 foot, and you got a worse time. doesn't make sense.

anyways, i can't believe this is still going!

 

done it plenty of times.

once again your making the assumtion that the conditions after the 60ft mark, and before the trap, are constant.

 

omg you need to like take basic physics my friend. If car A traps 104 and car B traps 104mph. Neither car A or B mishift. Car A hits a 1.9 60, Car B hits a 2.2 60. Which one do you think will get a better ET?
Choices:
Car A
Car B
The will run the same time
Both wont finish due to breaking axles lol


If he still trapped at 104 at the end, trust me NOTHIGN happened between the 60 and the the last 66 feet of the 1/4 run.

btw i was at car meet, over 70 cars showed up to njtuners and not one cobalt...where are all you guys!!
btw more butt seks of my rims, lol i just love them so im going to flaunt my **** like a 18 year old with double ds

 

I have a degree in physics.
and you need to lay off the paper racing and realise that real world doesnt work like that.

 

funny cause i have the same degree expect mine is geophysics based around chem.
The real world doesnt work liek that? Physics is what explains the real world. Thats ok though, you have something against me and never show proff behind your statments. You just talk and think your right. I talk and show reasoning and proof as to why i think im right

 

I have nothing against you other than when you make blatantly incorrect statements.
this thread is full of them.

How you can sit there with a degree in physics, and say that if you get the same 60ft time, and trap speed, you have to have the same ET, is beyond me.
apparently the thousands of factors involve in real world drag racing, are excluded when we play paper racers i guess.

 

such as? i'm curious as to what some of these things that could have happened would be. it was stated that he was an awesome driver. to get a 1.9 60 is unheard of on street tires, as far as i remember i have never heard of below 2.0. to get a 1.9 there was obviously zero wheelhop. since he trapped 104, which is around what he should be trapping with his mods, or even a little high considering he didn't wheel hop.

btw i'm not trying to start anything, this legitimately doesn't make sense to me. you don't miss a shift, or have rediculous heatsoak and then it just stops and your car goes like crazy to get a 104

 

time between EACH shift, air resistance, temperature (effects alot more than just IAT), shift points, etc. etc. etc.

 

right, but i'm talking this specific situation. if he trapped a 104, to me, it would seem that those factors weren't really an issue. maybe he's not a good driver, and the 1.9 was a fluke? i don't know. i wish there was a slip so we could see the rest of the stats.

 

Nice time w/ just an intake and gutted cat. How far do you plan to mod the car?

 

no, you dont understand how a car works. Nor do you understand how drag racing works. WHAT THE **** COULD HAPPEN that would ruin the time? Conditions wouldnt fucken matter if the car still trapped 104, intake temps dont matter if the car still trapped 104, tailwinds headwinds god himself hitting the car woudltn matter if the car still trapped 104. I prooved you wrong on every god damn argument in this thread, but i guess you are just too thick headed to actually understand how concepts work. There is only one possible thing he could have done to **** up that 1.9 60 and thats complete rip through 2nd gear, but trust me if he got a 1.9 60 he was not spinning nor does he have enough power to complete rip apart 2nd gear.

this argument ends with the following
A. There is no timeslip
B. He never backed it up
C. a 13.9 @ 104 wih a 1.9 60 does not make sense, chance that 60 to a 2.2 and it makes sense
D. You simply do not understand what it takes to hit a 1.94 60 on STOCK street tires in a fwd car

i/tbe/fmic/tune and i should be done for a while, just enough to get me into the 12s for now

 

clutch could slip on the one 2 shift i trapped the same when it did but e.t.'d slower things can happen maybe he had a tailwind with him the other time and he was driving into this time

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/drivetrain-79/time-upgrade-bigger-axels-broke-stock-tires-1-9-60fts-25397/

 

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Your out of control with your words. Be respectful. When people are wrong they tend to use swear words and flip out like you are now. Thats all I have to say. BTW, can you make it to the track with me on Sept 28th?

 

he is flipping out but he does have a very good point. No way is a 1.9 60' happening without DR's. NO WAY.

 

yeah it has and can be done read the thread i posted

 

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did you mean x2

 

you asked for factors: i dont have time to type out thousands but heres a few.

-Track surface. little bit of extra spin during the top of first for one car could cause it easily
-Wind conditions. gust of wind or a steady wind can really change results.
-ever seen a car make the EXACT same power curve on a dyno every time?
-popping the rev limiter during a ****? doesnt really count as a missed shift, but it will change your numbers just slightly.
-tire temperature differences?
-position of the vehicle in the opposite lane during the run
-what the last vehicle down the track did to the groove you run in


two identical cars with identical 60 ft times. and identical trap speeds CAN have different ETs.

and btw laloosh. the quality of an argument is usually shown by how often a person has to use personal insults and cussing.

I have nothing personal against you. debate is just debate my friend.
we can disagree without hating eachother can we not?

 

i told you before i cant do weekends. I can do any wednesday you want

Track surface? whats that got to do with an ything?
Wind? LIke i said the car still trapped 104 so it doesnt matter
It doesnt matter hwo much power hi is making, he is still trapping 104mph
He said he did nothing different on that run, no hitting the limiter, no mishifts
tire temp differences? are you kidding? ONce again the car still hit 104mph
Position of the car? I dont even know what you mean by that
Groove? WHO GIVES A **** the car still hit 104mph and went 13.9 shifting fine, meaning the tree fucked up and he did not hit a 1.9 60 if he did that 13.9 would be a 13.4