So far I love my ZZP trans. Its shifts much easier and makes no noise at all. Also pleased with the Spec Stage 3 clutch setup and the 4.45 ratio is unreal

 

Sweet cant wait myself

 

3rd is a problem because of Flex though. I don't know how many times I've had to say this. That is why ZZP did what they did to their transmissions. Tightening clearances, etc.

There have been a handful of cars in the 500-600whp range... and none have ever destroyed 4th gear. So its really kind of impractical to have made for the average person. HIGHLY doubt that even 1% of the Cobalt population will ever even break 500whp.

 

^^^^^ this

 

Ok guys so what would you like me to do next? Restart this whole plan with John, go with a stronger third gear, and tighten the clearances...

 

thats up to you, We all know youve done a bunch of work already, and there is interest, just gotta find that sweet spot.

 

Yeah I agree with you on that. I need input tho! I know John can make it happen so whatever would draw the most business he would be all for it. And quality isn't a concern in my eyes. By that I mean whatever he manufactures will be top of the line and he will stand behind it.

 

Its the Cobalt community... the less expensive, the better. Especially when it comes to an unproven part (on this platform).

We don't need a new 4th gear. K.I.S.S. = Keep It Simple Stupid. People are breaking 3rd gear. Develop a new 3rd gear. If people buy them and they become proven to the point where people aren't afraid to push high power, and then they start bombing 4th gear... people will want to come after a better 4th gear. THEN he can develop/offer the 4th gear option. I REALLY don't think its ever going to get to that point though.

 

Oh there no doubt he can build an amazing trans for this car, i personally think people will stick with zzp until shep releases a demo to just 1 person. That person should have some serious hp thought for this test to be valid then your gonna get some more interest.

 

[QUOTE=USMCFieldMP;5998848]Its the Cobalt community... the less expensive, the better. Especially when it comes to an unproven part (on this platform).

We don't need a new 4th gear. K.I.S.S. = Keep It Simple Stupid. People are breaking 3rd gear. Develop a new 3rd gear. If people buy them and they become proven to the point where people aren't afraid to push high power, and then they start bombing 4th gear... people will want to come after a better 4th gear. THEN he can develop/offer the 4th gear option. I REALLY don't think its ever going to get to that point though.[/QUOTE

I'm not the designer. Everyone on here seems to think they know better than John himself. I agree with you guys about 4th being unnecessary but for some reason shep didn't. All I can do is see what he thinks but something tells me i'm kicking a dead horse.

I doubt he will do that. If he does it will be my car and I'm hoping to be mid 4's by the spring. I've been turbo swapped for over 2 years now

 

In the Evo/DSM world, you can make a good product, and it will sell - especially with his name... because that is a serious community with lots of money.

In the Cobalt world, you can make a GREAT product, but if it costs "too much" with unproven results... its gonna sit on the shelf.



Unfortunately, a cheaper option is required for this community, without a doubt - OR they need to be proven. He's offering 2 gear sets that haven't been proven in our platform, and he's saying they'll be good for 600hp... and the price is comparable to that of a complete Stage1/2 transmission from ZZP, which HAVE been proven to hold 600+hp.

 

But they left the stock gear set inside. John told me himself they are entirely too weak for the power levels we are trying to throw at them. I'm not doubting the tighter clearances did the trick but if we could do the same thing with stronger gears on top of it for the same price it should be an easy choice for the consumer and good business for Shep

However, I can't do it alone. Or else I would have a long time ago. Everybody says they know how good his work is and how much they like his product from owning dsm's but are still skeptical...

 

just have 2 wait n see till zzp's fail

 

they left the stock gearsets in them but changed the final drive which puts less strain on those gears

 

I doubt your going to find 10 paying Cobalt/HHR SS customers without proven results.

Your best bet would be to talk John into letting you buy the transmission to show the rest of the community its worth.

 

i would love to have strong gears and stock ratio opposed to other way around...

 

powel haz trannies built also
not sure who tried them.

 

It is my transmission. And that is the route I will probably end up going

 

I want a Shep trans, and I will trust anything John puts out far more than the ZZP options.

John Shepherd has been working on DSMs since 1989, and has had Shep Racing for almost 15 years. I personally would install anything that Shep has put his hands on and designed. He builds parts for DSMs, GTRs, Evos and so much other, and yet somehow people still believe the cobalt is different? I have yet to see a flux capacitor on this thing. So until that changes, the cobalt is absolutely no different from anything else and I'm going to trust someone who is race proven on every track in this country.

Bring my Shep Trans on, Im tired of breaking these weak ass stockers.

l8r,
PD

 

Thanks man. I appreciate the support. It's hard to convince this crowd I can't do it by myself. I'm going to try and call John tomorrow for an update and some new ideas.

 

I understand, it is very difficult to sway some people especially when they refuse to believe that their car is the same as everyone elses. If anyone wants proof of what John Shepherd is capable of, search youtube there is plenty of proof out there.

If I ever got the car far enough, he would hate me because I would harass him into building me a dog box. lol

l8r,
PD

 

Welcome to owning a car that mostly late teen, early twenty year olds... with extremely limited knowledge... own.

 

Everyone knows what shep is capable of on the DSM/Evo Side and of course his knowledge would work on our trans as well.

The problem like stated above is this:

Need 10 people up front to have their trans yanked and shipped to shep with deposit or fullpayment. Have no car for however long it takes shep to get done and then have it installed again. Like USMC stated above most of these people that own cobalts are kids and cant for 1 come up with the deposit and two cant afford to not have their cars.

Shep pretty much needs to do this on different terms.


Like stated before i always wished this sale luck since i know what shep is capable off.

 

lol i know, just hoping that people will take these things more seriously. Especially with as many of us as there are running turbos now.

Down time is an issue but in some cases, like myself, people have spare transmissions lying around. Hell if I could afford it, I would buy all ten sets just to get this started.

Shep trans + BW s366xl =

l8r,
PD

 

I've got a spare trans, just needs a new 2nd gear synchro blocker ring. I should talk to JP about getting one. Like I've said before. If you can get others to commit, I'm game.

Personally, I think you need to clear the BS from the first post. It needs to be a GOOD sales ad for the gear sets. Make it big and bold. Most people don't care to read... they just want to see the good stuff. Price. Wait time. Etc.

If you want this stuff to sell... you need to be a salesman and sell it. You can't just make simple posts and hope people will hop on. "Sell the sizzle, not the steak"