Why can't you run a stage 2 pulley on their twincharge kit with a custom tune? I read where someone was talking about the turbo overspinning the s/c, but how is that possible, the s/c spins as fast as the pulley/belt spin it.

 

Mabye an estimate anyone?

 

Tuneing is a major part of this system as with any high performance upgrade...

anything over 300whp is pretty much the standard on a tc system

 

ok i just got off the phone with brad. He has told me that they are very close to releasing this kit. But there are some small issues that they want to fix first. He hopes to know something soon and the cost will be around 4000. They are making around 291 at the wheels with the sky kit that they have and i was told that they first kit to be release will be the TwinCharge kit for the SS then the 2.4 people will get the turbo system. just wait a little while longer and they will have it released.

 

Wow spending $4000 and we only get 291 at the wheels...That isn't even good enough to beet the SS/SC...Especially when you take into affect where I live with the altitude being so high (denver) I probably only get 250 at least....

 

the 291 is for the kit for the saturn sky

 

Does Brad work for HAHN?
Any updates on SS/SC?
WHP?
TQ?
Can we go from stock ss/sc to ss/tc or will we have to buy more than the kit?

 

nothing?

 

you guys need to realize that 300whp is alot, and it is probally just starting numbers for the t/c kit and if we go any highing without supporting mods, we are probally going to blow the engine.....it is probally more reliable than making +/-300hp with just the s/c because the 2.5" and 2.6" pulleys are making the s/c make lots of heat which is probally why so many guys are having engine failures. the guys running large amounts of water/meth, h/e, dual pass intercooler plate...etc... arnt having asmuch/any probs.(supporting mods). I think if you guys want numbers closer to 400whp, you are going to have to spend abit of money. pistons, head gasket, head studs, full exhuast, bigger i/c, wideband, intercepter gauge to keep an eye on everything, etc....
but this kit should be capable of making well over 500hp, we just need supporting mods to get there. some of you guys think 4g is expensive, that is the cheap part, getting this kit to make 400+hp with supporting mods is the expensive part......not saying anything bad about t/c, i think it will be great, i am thinking about getting it down the road, but dont expect making more than 350-400+/- whp without supporting mods.
thats just my 2 cents, good luck to everyone that is twincharging......

 

good call so can our engine handle 300+ HP stock?

 

that seems like an awesome deal...wut numbers are they looking at for hp

 

last time i talked to him he said they are still dynoing the test cars and gave me a round about figure of 300WHP now that is with the car at total stock no stage 2 nor smaller pullys i would rather go TC and keep the heat down then get a smaller pully and have tons of heat. Just my 2c. But thoes numbers could be higher thats just what word is we will wait till the offical numbers come out.

 

the twin charge kit is supposed to have 300- 350 hp depending on what you do for supporting mods like said, if the car is stock then closer to 300whp, if you have a full 3" exhaust and all that good stuff itll be closer to 330-350whp. the 4 grand for the kit is definately the cheaper part of this kit trust me... its the supporting mods like engine mount front and rear trans mounts, axles, head gasket+headstud,possibly forged pistons, clutch etc. that will make this kit run the way it should but itll also be pricy as hell to get all of it done. my kit will definately not be installed without all the supporting mods necessary...oops did i say that??

 

rick1217, there is no way the T/C will support 500hp even with supporting mods. The turbo included with the kit just does not have the huff to get the job done.

I definitely forsee the kit hitting 300-350whp range max. If a 18g or 20g upgrade was available, then certainly 400-500whp could be had, but internals would be a must at that point.

As for reliablility, only time will tell. I contacted Hahn again yesterday, and the car has been tuned, but details are still be kept hush hush until the official release.

 

if you wanted to couldnt you just move up from the 16g to an 18g or 20g?? just bolt it on?? i know there would definately need to be internal work done but assuming thats done wouldnt a 20g turbo bolt right in place of the 16g?

i hope hahn releases this kit soon..i need to know what type of injectors and what tune in would need.

 

Yes an 18g or 20g would bolt right up if more power was desired. I believe at that point though, larger than 60lb. injectors and a fuel pump might be another factor to be considered for upgrade on top of fortifying the internals.

I'm willing to bet Hahn used HPTuners to tune a set of 60lb injectors for the kit.

 

i agree, if the turbo isnt big enough, it wont make those power numbers.... do you/anyone know what size of turbo is being included??? i still think going to a full turbo would be the best route, but still would like to see this set up in more cars to see what it is capable of. but yeah nobody should expect it to make huge power numbers unless they plan on building the engine to handle it.

 

My sources I cannot reveal tell me it's a Super 16G turbo.

 

i wonder if a custom tune would work out better than the flash that hahn will be giving with the kit... i guess well just have to see what happens when it comes out.. a 16g turbo is most likely going to be what will come with the kit as that turbo will be able to put about 400 max hp if tuned properly, i wouldnt see why hahn would release it with a bigger turbo than that.

 

HAHN where are you .........?

 

 

if a 2.4 auto guy put a turbo on, could the stock tranny handle that much power? i always get an uneasy feeling when mixing high performance parts with stock parts since something tearing up is always a possibilty and a high one at that.

 

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I wish Hahn would come on the thread and enlighten us.

 

I think Hahn is going to start loosing sales to TAG if they don't hurry up. I know making parts and tuning takes time, but it seems like this is taking forever. They must be testing out the car in all conditions, or either that they are all on Christmas vacation already!

 

TAG? Whats there site?