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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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if u have a sti get at leeeeeast a 20G! honestly a 30R/35R isn't thaaaat bad on a 2.5L just get a smaller version of the 35 or just get a 30R but for daily use a 20G is more than enuf for me.

I have the 2L so a 20G is my max for now. I have a vf30+fmic and the usual fixin's...going forged internals soon hopefully!
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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This might sound very noobish but in your opinion is top mount or front mount better for the subie....ive been debating this for a while and still i do not know...i figured you would have one of he best feedbacks seeing as you own an sti
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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This might sound very noobish but in your opinion is top mount or front mount better for the subie....ive been debating this for a while and still i do not know...i figured you would have one of he best feedbacks seeing as you own an sti
IMO a FMIC is better. The IC is litterally inches away from the turbo in a top mount configuration. This makes fighting heat soak an uphill battle, even with the IC sprayer. For stock a TMIC is fine for all the reasons that Subaru sells it that way for. But as far as performance goes, FMIC all the way. Like I said, FMIC is on my list of things to do.

Originally Posted by STi_WRX02
if u have a sti get at leeeeeast a 20G! honestly a 30R/35R isn't thaaaat bad on a 2.5L just get a smaller version of the 35 or just get a 30R but for daily use a 20G is more than enuf for me.

I have the 2L so a 20G is my max for now. I have a vf30+fmic and the usual fixin's...going forged internals soon hopefully!
If I swap turbo's I'm going all the way man. 16psi is just a tease. I want something that has all the potential I'll need. If only the STi came with a turbo like the Evo. Then upgrading the turbo would be optional for me.

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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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yes it is kinda noobieish for u to ask that since u should already know these types of questions but its all good hahahah lol...

TMIC is great for throttle response and less to no lag on spool up....drawbacks is that it heatsoaks like a motherfudgin ***** on a hot summer day...and when i mean hot i mean when i touch it, its freaking bloody hot.

FMIC is great for cooling and better IAT's as well as flows more top end compared to tmic. downside is the addition length of IC piping which adds lag to the turbo. But if u have a giant slug...who cares...

TMIC is great for bang for buck and reliable and u can get it to cool down more with water sprayers/co2 sprayers etc...I used to use a water sprayer on my tmic b4 i went fmic...it helped on those hot ass days..especially when i added a bag of ice from the gas station into my 10L water tank! hahhh the IC was actually cold to the touch when i got out of the car and popped the hood...

bang for buck get a ebay tmic or equivelant...the SSAC TMIC got good reviews as well as the ebay SSAC FMIC....

personally i wish i stayed with a big tmic...i miss the throttle reposnse but i dun really care...i just step on teh gas earlier to compensate ahahahah lol....gives other cars a fighting chance hahah lol But since i practically got my FMIC for free, I took it!

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IMO a FMIC is better. The IC is litterally inches away from the turbo in a top mount configuration. This makes fighting heat soak an uphill battle, even with the IC sprayer. For stock a TMIC is fine for all the reasons that Subaru sells it that way for. But as far as performance goes, FMIC all the way. Like I said, FMIC is on my list of things to do.



If I swap turbo's I'm going all the way man. 16psi is just a tease. I want something that has all the potential I'll need. If only the STi came with a turbo like the Evo. Then upgrading the turbo would be optional for me.
Yeah stock sti water sprayer sucks...i made my own from Home Depot for like 30bucks and instead of one sprayer like the oem sti I had 4 hahahah lol i was thinking of 6 but thats a lil too much hhahaha

Yeah i wish sti's and wrx's came with bigger turbo's....don't new evo's have td05 18g's for stock trim? or was it big 16G's

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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by STi_WRX02
Yeah i wish sti's and wrx's came with bigger turbo's....don't new evo's have td05 18g's for stock trim? or was it big 16G's
I think my buddy said his Evo 9 had a TD06, I'm not sure about the Evo X's.
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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Oh ok i understand now...r subies known for having horrible turbo lag and if so have you found ways to eliminating this?...ive heard that the evos lag is horrible but in comparison could the subie be worse?
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:27 PM
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Oh ok i understand now...r subies known for having horrible turbo lag and if so have you found ways to eliminating this?...ive heard that the evos lag is horrible but in comparison could the subie be worse?
About Evo turbo lag, maybe the 8 had bad lag I don't know, but the 9 that I rode in definitely did not. That thing was a rocket ship.
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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Those lil evos are known to be some beastly cars...wat do you all think an evo or a subie...in my opinion evos r fast but ive fallen in love with the impreza..wats ur opinions??
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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I'd probably take an evo over an sti but it's really hard for me to chose since they are both crazy cars. My friend has an 05 evo with intake and tbe, that thing has NO turbo lag. Seriously, if there is any it's like a split second. Like someone said, it's a freakin rocket ship (for a 4 banger that is)
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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Here are the facts on the car stock vs. stock. I hate to say it, but the Suburu is lighter, more powerful and has the advantage of AWD. Stock vs. Stock, the Suburu should win out.
Here are the facts of the two vehicles:
http://www.vehix.com/research/compar...07&condition=1
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:41 PM
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Alright!!

Originally Posted by IMADreamer
No offense but you also bashed the living daylights of the SS then went and bought one. And you said your husband had a 260hp accord after just an intake manifold swap. I'm not saying you don't know what your talking about but telling us the TR feels faster with no real proof means nothing coming from you. No offense or anything but yeah, what I said ealier. Plus you seem to forget the most important factor, the driver.

I think the SS/SC and TR for the most part is a drivers race. I've raced one from a dig and a roll and I won both, but the dig was damn close. The roll was not. The guy KILLED me off the launch but once we got to second I pulled hard! Those TRs are slick though and I'd watch out for them on the street, you better be able to drive if you race one from a dig.



From experience of having friend with WRXs (bugeyes, and not) their trannies have gotten better. The bugeye WRXs had pretty weak clutches, but they seemed to have fixed it. I wouldn't do real high RPM clutch drops, but you can launch aggressively with the newer models.
THANKS YOU!! I wanted to say that, but I was being nice.

And yes, the TR and teh SS/SC, from a dig is a drivers race, on the high way though...the balt would take it I would suspect.

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What the TR needs is more cowbell!



Originally Posted by AspenWhite_Wrx
in most cases people with new cars get a cbe system and air filter and jus take it from there...but wat ive heard is that with the 06 wrx engine management would be a considerable first mod for the car example being the tuning mapping chip....wat do u all think??
Uh oh! Look at you! Sounding like you know what you're talking about!!! (just kididng, he knows what he is talking about, a whole lot). Now if we just work on you being ON TIME for stuff,a nd calling to let people knwow hats going on we'd be good!
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Since it was brought up, here is the comparison between and EVO and an STI. Enjoy

http://www.vehix.com/research/compar...07&condition=1
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kenhebe
Here are the facts on the car stock vs. stock. I hate to say it, but the Suburu is lighter, more powerful and has the advantage of AWD. Stock vs. Stock, the Suburu should win out.
Here are the facts of the two vehicles:
http://www.vehix.com/research/compar...07&condition=1
I disagree.

http://www.vehix.com/research/compar...07&condition=1

We can't go specifically by that as remember, the SS/SC is underrated in HP, and the WRX TR is to the crank.
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AspenWhite_Wrx
Those lil evos are known to be some beastly cars...wat do you all think an evo or a subie...in my opinion evos r fast but ive fallen in love with the impreza..wats ur opinions??
I could have had either and I picked the Scooby for a few reasons. Stronger clutch and tranny, more displacement(just can't get over that stigma somehow) boxer sound, symetrical AWD, styling. I just plain love the STi.

Just out of curiosity since when is 3192 lighter than 2991?

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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by StinkBOMB
I was under the impression that the WRX's have the same tranny through out all year models, can you confirm a transmission change?
I can't confirm that, but I'm just going on what I've been told. I also know my friend used to have a bugeye and had some clutch issues and then he got an 05 and has had no issues at all. He's also the one who told me they beefed up the tranny a bit. lol

I have some subie experience but I'm certainly no expert so don't take my word here as the gospel.
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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IMADreamer
I can't confirm that, but I'm just going on what I've been told. I also know my friend used to have a bugeye and had some clutch issues and then he got an 05 and has had no issues at all. He's also the one who told me they beefed up the tranny a bit. lol

I have some subie experience but I'm certainly no expert so don't take my word here as the gospel.
Yeah according to what I could dig up on clubwrx.net they made the gears 1mm wider and kept the same part number so as to avoid liability for trannies that were stripping 1st and 2nd gear. Overall I think it's the same transmission between year models, just a small change, but nothing to make the transmission super stout. In the world of Subaru if you want a stout transmission get a Legacy GT or an STi.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by StinkBOMB
Yeah according to what I could dig up on clubwrx.net they made the gears 1mm wider and kept the same part number so as to avoid liability for trannies that were stripping 1st and 2nd gear. Overall I think it's the same transmission between year models, just a small change, but nothing to make the transmission super stout. In the world of Subaru if you want a stout transmission get a Legacy GT or an STi.
cool, thanks for clarifying. I knew the STi had a much beefier tranny, but I didn't know the difference in the regular WRX generations other then hearsay.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Scythe_Snake
I disagree.

http://www.vehix.com/research/compar...07&condition=1

We can't go specifically by that as remember, the SS/SC is underrated in HP, and the WRX TR is to the crank.
You highlighted the base-model version, not the sti.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kenhebe
You highlighted the base-model version, not the sti.
I highlighted the the WRX TR, which is the car that is being talked about here.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kenhebe
You highlighted the base-model version, not the sti.
Funny, my STi weighs 3350, so how is either one of those figures lighter than the SS S/C?

Originally Posted by IMADreamer
cool, thanks for clarifying. I knew the STi had a much beefier tranny, but I didn't know the difference in the regular WRX generations other then hearsay.
NP dude.

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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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This would be a big negative on YOUR post my friend. They can have slightly more HP, but stock for stock, my money would be on the SS/SC. The WRX TR's have like 224 to the CRANK, plush the lose which is between 12%-15%, the SS/SC has more HP and I'd GUESS, not sure on torque numbers, but I know the SS/SC is also lighter than the TR.

You refer to your husband, and you forget that one could have had a bad driver. I don't think that is a reliable source. Two good drivers in a WRX TR and a SS/SC, the ss/sc would have that slighlt lead on it. And with AWD the tractions problems should be low to null, at least no where near as bad as the SS/SC's traction issues. And 'throwing you in your seat' isn't the greatest of comparisons. A car with instant traction from a dig vs a car with little traction from a dig, the one with traction would throw you back because it takes off and grips better.

I guess we'll never agree on this point.

But keep in mind that people keep referring to just the WRX in general. The TR is a completely diffrent car than just a base WRX.

As for traction problems....with my car, you can launch it and have no traction problems but once you get to the top of first, you start to lose traction, then you shift lose traction, regain traction and the whole thing starts over again. The Suby doesn't lose traction at all, which is an advantage off the line and between shifts.

And to compare cars in a race at a roll is completely pointless in my opinion. Who is to say the one person didn't know that the race was going to start, etc, etc. IN my opinion, the only thing you can compare is numbers from a track.

And to answer someone on the turbo lag.....pretty much zero turbo lag on my husbands.

We're going to the track on the 14th...I'll let you know details on the numbers....we'll see who is faster.

Originally Posted by Scythe_Snake
I disagree.

http://www.vehix.com/research/compar...07&condition=1

We can't go specifically by that as remember, the SS/SC is underrated in HP, and the WRX TR is to the crank.
Also, I love how everyone says that the SS/SC is underrated in HP....you could say that about every car. Its just someones way to trying to make up a reason that their car is faster.

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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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I guess we'll never agree on this point.

But keep in mind that people keep referring to just the WRX in general. The TR is a completely diffrent car than just a base WRX.

As for traction problems....with my car, you can launch it and have no traction problems but once you get to the top of first, you start to lose traction, then you shift lose traction, regain traction and the whole thing starts over again. The Suby doesn't lose traction at all, which is an advantage off the line and between shifts.

And to compare cars in a race at a roll is completely pointless in my opinion. Who is to say the one person didn't know that the race was going to start, etc, etc. IN my opinion, the only thing you can compare is numbers from a track.

And to answer someone on the turbo lag.....pretty much zero turbo lag on my husbands.

We're going to the track on the 14th...I'll let you know details on the numbers....we'll see who is faster.



Also, I love how everyone says that the SS/SC is underrated in HP....you could say that about every car. Its just someones way to trying to make up a reason that their car is faster.
Just stop talking please. The WRX TR is a stripped down WRX, that is it. There is nothing special about it. It is in no way a completely different car. Do you even know the different Imprezza trim levels? And roll racing is a very accurate way to test which car has more HP. Much more than dead stop racing as less skill is involved.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 10:02 AM
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I guess we'll never agree on this point.

But keep in mind that people keep referring to just the WRX in general. The TR is a completely diffrent car than just a base WRX.

As for traction problems....with my car, you can launch it and have no traction problems but once you get to the top of first, you start to lose traction, then you shift lose traction, regain traction and the whole thing starts over again. The Suby doesn't lose traction at all, which is an advantage off the line and between shifts.

And to compare cars in a race at a roll is completely pointless in my opinion. Who is to say the one person didn't know that the race was going to start, etc, etc. IN my opinion, the only thing you can compare is numbers from a track.

And to answer someone on the turbo lag.....pretty much zero turbo lag on my husbands.

We're going to the track on the 14th...I'll let you know details on the numbers....we'll see who is faster.



Also, I love how everyone says that the SS/SC is underrated in HP....you could say that about every car. Its just someones way to trying to make up a reason that their car is faster.
NO they are pretty much the same car. Same engine, same body, same tranny, just less creature comforts. Sounds like the same car to me.

Once again you are proving your opinion is worth a little less then a pinch of poop.

Don't bother racing your husband at the track because we already know you can't drive from your "test drive" threads. You vs him will prove nothing.

Again, sorry if I'm sounding harsh but you seriously have no business discussing cars.
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 10:09 AM
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Also, I love how everyone says that the SS/SC is underrated in HP....you could say that about every car. Its just someones way to trying to make up a reason that their car is faster.
No, you can't say that about every car. Look, I'm sure on some planet you know alot about cars and people listen to what you have to say. Your weak point is this is Earth. The STi is rated at 300hp, but it only puts out about 250whp. The Cobalt is rated at 205hp, but puts actually out around 210-225. Do you see how an STi is not under rated and the Cobalt is?

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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 10:43 PM
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wow katie i think ur cool points are going...
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