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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 02:13 PM
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Do not run leaded fuel in any vehicle that use a/f or o2 sensors like our cars. As awesome as tetraethyllead is it does not get along with catalytic converters or oxygen sensors. You will ruin them only after a couple months
I'm catless right now and the o2 sensors are turned off to prevent the cel from freaking out.
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 02:42 PM
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Do not run leaded fuel in any vehicle that use a/f or o2 sensors like our cars. As awesome as tetraethyllead is it does not get along with catalytic converters or oxygen sensors. You will ruin them only after a couple months
That sort of depends on the specific race fuel. Sunoco and VP lines for example both carry leaded and unleaded versions of their race fuels that wear the "for off road use" labels. The fact that it's an oxygenated is the only reason it's labeled for off road use only with the unleaded versions.
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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if you cant afford a retune for gas in your area why the hell are you worried about a new tranny and e85 and a retune then. you wont be able to afford that then either. if you have 3k get your car running right now. youre gonna be on that 4.45 list for awhile. you can save the money back up.
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kahless
if you cant afford a retune for gas in your area why the hell are you worried about a new tranny and e85 and a retune then. you wont be able to afford that then either. if you have 3k get your car running right now. youre gonna be on that 4.45 list for awhile. you can save the money back up.
U obviously only read part of it(which happens a lot here). I'm next up on the list already. I'm expecting an e-mail from Gloria today for the actual grand total quote. Also, don't get me wrong, I can afford it but I chose not to spend all my money at once. There are such things as emergencies so I always have some tucked away but I rather just not tap into that fund yet because it's not really an emergency as I can get away with mixing fuels for a bit.
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 06:31 PM
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I've read that so many times on here. If $200 for a retune breaks your emergency bank then you're doing something wrong. I would never put myself close to not being able to get through an emergency for the sake of my car. Honestly bite the bullet and get it tuned. In the long run it'll cost you the same anyway.
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 06:37 PM
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i read where youre 4th on the list. good luck being a cheap ass and doing things the hard way
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 06:53 PM
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Yes, the car is tuned for 93 and the zfr. I'm boosting about 23 psi. It's boost ramped though. I don't really have a way of monitoring knock other than the stock rpd.
Well before you start doing stupid **** like mixing octane you should get some gauges and a proper tune for 91.

Hacksawing **** like a tune and mixing fuels is not the proper way to go about this with a big turbo car.

If you can't afford the retune save money and don't drive it. Walk, take the bus whatever. Don't bitch and moan about you "need" a car when you have a $2000 turbo you aren't willing to run properly.

Gotta pay to play and you should have your "ducks" in a row before doing anything this big to a car.
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 10:23 PM
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i read where youre 4th on the list. good luck being a cheap ass and doing things the hard way
I actually got bumped up to first now and how am I being a cheap ass? Should I just park my car and never drive it then? Would that make me not look so cheap now? Oh look at me, I just blew 3k on a tranny so my turbo won't blow up my other one and now I'm being a cheap ass. I'd rather be "cheap" and mix fuel for the time being then to have my stock tranny blow up on me and if that makes me a cheap ass then I guess so. So many helpful member on this forum I see...
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Old Apr 23, 2014 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WVU_SS
I've read that so many times on here. If $200 for a retune breaks your emergency bank then you're doing something wrong. I would never put myself close to not being able to get through an emergency for the sake of my car. Honestly bite the bullet and get it tuned. In the long run it'll cost you the same anyway.
If it was truly only 200 then hook me up man. LOL
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
That sort of depends on the specific race fuel. Sunoco and VP lines for example both carry leaded and unleaded versions of their race fuels that wear the "for off road use" labels. The fact that it's an oxygenated is the only reason it's labeled for off road use only with the unleaded versions.
Very true but we don't know if the gas being brought up in this discussion is actually leaded or unleaded. I seriously doubt it is leaded due to the fact that you can buy it at a pump on the street but who knows.

OP, despite you being cat-less you still cannot run leaded fuel because you are actually still using an 02 sensor (technically its an a/f ratio sensor but whatever). The only thing done in your tune is the computer not turning on the cel when a P0420 is thrown due to your rear 02 sensor switching because you have no catalytic converter
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ae_xiong
If it was truly only 200 then hook me up man. LOL
I own HPT so it's cheaper for me. Either way like everyone else has said you shouldn't be throwing loads of $$$ at go fast parts if you can't afford to run them right. Seems like your priorities are a bit off. It'd be a shame to cause some damage because you half-assed it.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GTOworshiper9
Very true but we don't know if the gas being brought up in this discussion is actually leaded or unleaded. I seriously doubt it is leaded due to the fact that you can buy it at a pump on the street but who knows.

OP, despite you being cat-less you still cannot run leaded fuel because you are actually still using an 02 sensor (technically its an a/f ratio sensor but whatever). The only thing done in your tune is the computer not turning on the cel when a P0420 is thrown due to your rear 02 sensor switching because you have no catalytic converter
Sorry, forgot to mention it's unleaded and oxygenated. I guess I'll be mixing 2.5 gal of 104 octane with about 9ish gal of 91. That should give me about a full tank. LOL until then we'll just have to wait and see how the car reacts.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by WVU_SS
I own HPT so it's cheaper for me. Either way like everyone else has said you shouldn't be throwing loads of $$$ at go fast parts if you can't afford to run them right. Seems like your priorities are a bit off. It'd be a shame to cause some damage because you half-assed it.
Just because you already own a hpt suite doesn't mean that it's only going to be 200 for me but I already know where this is going so I'll just end it here. Yes, everything you said is correct and you know everything. The world revolves around you.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 03:07 PM
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Dude I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just saying don't skimp. I'd hate to see something go wrong because of a few hundred $$$. Especially after you dumped a ton of $$$, time and work into it. I've seen small builds go boom because of a bad tune.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by WVU_SS
Dude I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just saying don't skimp. I'd hate to see something go wrong because of a few hundred $$$. Especially after you dumped a ton of $$$, time and work into it. I've seen small builds go boom because of a bad tune.
Ok, kool. Thanks for the concern then. Sorry but way too many trolls on here so I thought u were one of them. Anyways, yea I know I should tune the car asap but like I previously stated, I can always get the tune whenever, whereas the tranny is only for a limited time so since I'm up next now I'd rather just mix fuel just to get by and buy the tranny first. If you get my point. Then I'll save up for the tune (about 600-700) and retune. The fuel mixing will only be temporary so I can drive to work and back(about 25 miles). I can't take the bus or walk because I only work 12 hour shifts and no bus station operates that late. My normal schedule is 12pm-12am. I work in EMS btw...
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 03:20 PM
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Nah I understand where you're coming from. I normally just end up biting the bullet and living a little cheaper for a few weeks. When I upgrade I normally drop a lot of $$$ at a time so I know it's hard. I'd run octane booster personally and keep it out of boost as much as possible until you can tune. Like I said I've seen bad things happen from a crappy tune. I'd hate to see something someone's invested a lot into losing it.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by WVU_SS
Nah I understand where you're coming from. I normally just end up biting the bullet and living a little cheaper for a few weeks. When I upgrade I normally drop a lot of $$$ at a time so I know it's hard. I'd run octane booster personally and keep it out of boost as much as possible until you can tune. Like I said I've seen bad things happen from a crappy tune. I'd hate to see something someone's invested a lot into losing it.
I looked up octane boosters and according to what I found, it's worth ****. The gas around where I live already comes with 10% ethanol which renders the octane boosters useless. Now if the gas in my area are all unoxygenated which meant it contained no ethanol, then yes the octane boosters would work but I'd have to add a ton to boost it up by 2 octane and at the price it'll be about as much as buying race gas. LOL So that's why I decided to just go race gas and mix it for now.

As for biting the bullet and living a little cheaper, that's already what I'm doing. LOL I have 1k in my emergency savings but like I said, I don't consider this an emergency quite yet because the car is still running fine and should be fine according to some research I've done. Also, staying out of boost as much as possible is a must and I'm well aware of it. I'm just hoping everything will be fine until I can get it retuned. LOL
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 06:00 PM
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Simple, get retuned for 91, and stop ******* around before you come back hear crying you blew a ring or piston.

Take $300 of your "emergency money" because $1000 isn't enough to cover anything in a true emergency and can be replaced on the next paycheck.

Don't be stupid.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by m33pm33p
Simple, get retuned for 91, and stop ******* around before you come back hear crying you blew a ring or piston.

Take $300 of your "emergency money" because $1000 isn't enough to cover anything in a true emergency and can be replaced on the next paycheck.

Don't be stupid.
Don't be stupid? First of all, if you can get me a hp tune for 300 then I'm down. Second of all, you never know how much money you're going to need in the event of a "true" emergency but 1k is a good place to start. It will be enough to supply me with food, water, and shelter for the time being so I don't think that's stupid at all. Last of all, I'm not crying or anything so let's get it straight please. If you have nothing nice to say then keep it to yourself.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 07:29 PM
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Don't be stupid? First of all, if you can get me a hp tune for 300 then I'm down. Second of all, you never know how much money you're going to need in the event of a "true" emergency but 1k is a good place to start. It will be enough to supply me with food, water, and shelter for the time being so I don't think that's stupid at all. Last of all, I'm not crying or anything so let's get it straight please. If you have nothing nice to say then keep it to yourself.
If you are already hp tuned, it shouldn't be much for your hp tuner to retune your car, hence the $300.

I'm tired of people half assing cars then complaining. Do it right or don't do it at all is the only motto.
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by m33pm33p
If you are already hp tuned, it shouldn't be much for your hp tuner to retune your car, hence the $300.

I'm tired of people half assing cars then complaining. Do it right or don't do it at all is the only motto.
Nope, I clearly stated that it was zzp tuned and boost ramped so the hp tune would cost me quite a bit. But I do agree with your motto though. I'm trying to do it right but since I have the opportunity to ****** a 4.45 tranny now then I'd rather do that first and mix fuel for a bit til I can save up for the tune later. Don't know how many times I've repeated myself but it's quite typical for this site and I'm not only directing it at you. It seems like only 1 out of 10 members on here actually offer any help, the rest just loves to jump in and start bashing on you. Go CSS.NET!
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Old Apr 24, 2014 | 09:45 PM
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Just get a tune for 91 and ramp the boost and give it a couple months and get a trans.
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Wert842
Just get a tune for 91 and ramp the boost and give it a couple months and get a trans.
But I'm up next on the wait list already for the tranny. Don't want to lose my place in line.

Update: I just mixed about 2 1/2 gal of 104 with a little more than about 6 gal of 91 and the car seems to be taking it quite well. Floored it a few times with no lag or knock.
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ae_xiong
Sorry, forgot to mention it's unleaded and oxygenated. I guess I'll be mixing 2.5 gal of 104 octane with about 9ish gal of 91. That should give me about a full tank. LOL until then we'll just have to wait and see how the car reacts.
If that's the case then by all means, go for it
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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 12:12 PM
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Just get a proper tune and put the remaining money towards the trans and get 0% financing credit card and put the rest of the trans on it.
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