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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 08:16 AM
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im not gonna go into the reasons why i need auto right now but i would like to see about getting a 5 speed kit when it comes out and reworking the kit to fit my car
I'd really like to know what these reasons are, mostly just because I'm curious. I can't think of anything that would make me want to drive an auto.
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 09:40 AM
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you could also probably get a 4T65-e for like 2,500 bucks.
Probably, it will just be a regular rebuilt, nothing fancy, and you can't put it in your Cobalt without some serious modification.

My 4T45E job cost about $3000.
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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well i think, on a stage 1 kit from hahn with conservative boost a tranny cooler would let it hold the power just fine, so like it was said it should still fit with maybe some pipe rerouting but alleycat came up with a good reason on why they may not be offering it for auto which it could be the tranny shift points would be all messed up but im still waiting on more details from hahn on why exactly they wont be offering the kit for auto since i know it can hold that power , on the auto thing all ill say at this point is it has to do with my wife.
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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i drive an auto.. could i have gotten a 5 speed.. sure.. would it have been the best thing for me? no... i drive alot.. and for some people they dont mind being stuck in traffic with a stick.. but others like myself mind it.... ive seen people in mini cooper S's pull over because they got tired of shifting stuck on 95 towards the GWB.. its all relative guys... this is why automatics will continue to become more powerful and popular because alot of people that live in cities or close to cities dont want to put up with a stick shift... its just preference.. but just cause we prefer not to shift our own gears does not mean we should get shafted out of performance mods like turbos and what not... it just amazes me because why would gm release a build book for the ecotec and releasing a charger kit for the 2.2 eco in the cav, without specifying auto or manual... same thing with the LD9 2.4 twin cam when gm released a supercharger for it.. and it worked with the auto which was an older version of our current one.
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 08:09 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that only 33% of new cars bought these days are manuals.

I also really think that our tranny can handle some more serious power before things start to break. The 4T45 is being used in cars that have more powerful engines than the Cobalt with no problems.
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 08:28 PM
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if i had a automatic 2.4 i would have extreme compassion for your situation....

But since i have a 2.0 sc all i can do is point and laugh
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FLCobalt
if i had a automatic 2.4 i would have extreme compassion for your situation....

But since i have a 2.0 sc all i can do is point and laugh
Find your tranny mounts yet? Hint, they are near the bottom, not the top
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by snowbred
i drive an auto.. could i have gotten a 5 speed.. sure.. would it have been the best thing for me? no... i drive alot.. and for some people they dont mind being stuck in traffic with a stick.. but others like myself mind it.... ive seen people in mini cooper S's pull over because they got tired of shifting stuck on 95 towards the GWB.. its all relative guys... this is why automatics will continue to become more powerful and popular because alot of people that live in cities or close to cities dont want to put up with a stick shift... its just preference.. but just cause we prefer not to shift our own gears does not mean we should get shafted out of performance mods like turbos and what not... it just amazes me because why would gm release a build book for the ecotec and releasing a charger kit for the 2.2 eco in the cav, without specifying auto or manual... same thing with the LD9 2.4 twin cam when gm released a supercharger for it.. and it worked with the auto which was an older version of our current one.
People who drive auto's are not being "shafted" out of performance mods. The fact is, building an auto transmission that can handle power as well as a standard costs considerably more money, auto's are more complex by design, and as such cost more money...it's just the way **** works. Look at the VW GTI, they have an option for a 6-speed auto w/DSG, and it's a $1000+ option...though I've heard that tranny does work very well, I think you'd have to be nuts to pay a grand just so you don't have to shift. All this has to be included in R&D, honestly, including a better tranny in the base model cobalt would be a large waste of money on GM's part...most people do not buy these cars to mod them.

As for auto's becoming more powerful...there are already lots of very powerful auto's out there, but you have to pay to play
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Old Jun 5, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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Maybe some people don't have the luxury of being able to get a five-speed
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 12:35 AM
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A) Learn to quit being a ***** and drive stick.
B) Do you have any idea how much stress is placed on n/a cars turned turbo? The torque converter especially.
C) Why didn't you just quit being cheap and buy the SS? It will always be faster and more reliable than anything Hahn could ever spit out.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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!!!! Good News !!!

heres what they wrote me back:

Hi!

We are in fact working with a 2.4 Cobalt as I type this! It is a stick shift car, but the system will also fit an auto trans car.

While the two engines are identical (Solstice and Cobalt), there are differences in the engine management, as well as differences in vehicle weight and load (gear ratios, FWD vs RWD, etc.). We are addressing these aspects right now, and should have a manual trans version ready soon.

Previously, we did not recommend the use of our turbosystems on auto trans vehicles such as Cavalier-Sunfire due to the transissions' internal programming. Although, as you mention, the transmission itself it used in other applications with more torque, the electronic controls for it are factory-adapted accordingly in those applications. Only very recently have effective tools become available for all of these cars to allow us to control transmission behavior and reprogram it to handle the higher torque produced by turbocharging (at some RPM points, sometimes DOUBLE or even more than that of stock!).

So, the future looks good for you if you wish to turbo your auto 2.4 Cobalt!

We will know more soon, so please keep in touch. Your best bet is to email sales@turbosystem.com and let them know you'd like to be added to the Cobalt list!

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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 12:08 PM
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Woot, I told y'all!
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 01:08 PM
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Haha... turbo 2.4 auto FTW!
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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We are addressing these aspects right now, and should have a manual trans version ready soon.
There's some good news
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 01:40 PM
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IMO Manual/Stick Shifts are for people who like to drive for fun/think of it as a sport/usually the people who mod their cars. Auto's for old lady's/people who just drive to get to point A and B/too lazy to shift.../considering auto's are more expensive than manuals i dont think you can say that you had to get one..../its just like an option...
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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Sure they can do it...but the question remains how reliable is your vehicle going to be after it's done?

No one can answer that until it's done...no point in even speculating.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 04:54 PM
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See, told ya.

So should I change the title of this thread now?
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:17 PM
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A moderator double posted!!!!


J/k.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by zomghax
Find your tranny mounts yet? Hint, they are near the bottom, not the top
=(... that wasnt very nice... =(
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PpAzZ1101
A moderator double posted!!!!


J/k.
I hate it when it does that. Fixed.
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FLCobalt
=(... that wasnt very nice... =(
Sorry dude, but neither was pointing and laughing at an auto-driving-2.4L Cobalt owner. Peace?
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Old Jun 6, 2006 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
See, told ya.

So should I change the title of this thread now?
yes change it to something else since hahn gave the auto the ok
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