Uhh... and you understand that there is not a constant current flow to the "capacitor" in the plug.

Like djt said, if anything it is retarding the spark.

It is a marketing scheme...

I dont see how an appliance and my coil packs/spark plugs have anything in common, perhaps you should elaborate.

You probably also have a "gas saving" tornado.

 

thats all fine and dandy but they wouldn't be able to sell them if they didn't work is all i'm sayin.

 

...... Sure they would .........

Since everything on the internet is true and works as advertised?

http://www.tornadoair.com/

Proof.

 

ok a capasitor stores energy and just like a spark plug releases that energy when told. i know that there isn't a constant call for spark. that doesn't mean that the energy is going anywhere, its still there.


man in college i worked at a napa warehouse and i don't think that one of these ever left the building. so i dont' think that those even count.

 

lemme ask you guys this... when the charge is applied... is there a limit to the power drawn?

if not then wouldn't it be possible to charge the capacitor at the same time as firing the spark so that it's fully charged the next time the plug is fired, therefore using the supplies power to charge the capacitor again?

just curious....this does sound like a marketing scheme, but it ALSO sounds like a possible shot at a more advanced technology. If this guy is tryin it out, let him do so.

 

that is exactly what it does. the charge is always there. it is advanced. and you just can't get that through some peoples head. it only sparks when told by the ecu and if its not being called the energy is still there waiting to fire.

 

lol @ the "it is advanced" line over and over...

Sound like you work for them now.

 

it does make sense though, it'd be one hell of a high-tech spark plug, but I guess anything is possible.

 

grow up kid. someone has to put it into layman's terms for you. because you are to thick headed to understand.

 

ok....ok....geez this thread is getting hostile....

a plug with a capacitor in it would work, just not with a whole lot of efficiency when it comes down to it....no matter what you think, the capacitor (basically a quick realease battery) needs a moment (no matter how short) to charge before it can discharge..that is the basic function of a capactior, to regulate current flow due to inconsistancy. As for it creating a bigger spark, sure...it prolly does....now as for it being of any use in a high performance engine, not at all...when the computer says spark, it means it, and it means it needs it then...not nanoseconds later

in my opinon, i wouldnt buy them....its a cool idea, just not very practical, thats all....and no, the voltage to the plug is not always there...otherwise you would get sparks when you dont need them and your engine wouldnt work very well at all...

 

i see what your saying but the way the breakdown of the plug goes on the website is that it will be charged for the next fire when it needs it.

 

Kid? Laymans terms? Thickheaded? Dude you are the one that just spent $100 on sparkplugs.

Exactly what we were saying, It's useless... and if anything is going to cause a retard condition.

The breakdown on the tornado website says i will pickup 20% MPG and HP.

 

good point. I wonder if there is a capacitor that has a charge/discharge rate fast enough to work in this application, and work over time as well? it's a pretty good idea, just sounds like it needs some serious R&D (I'm hoping the company already did that tho... lol)

no the "advance" thing isn't the problem, stop trying to argue with each other and just read, the problem is the discharge rate. like he said, if the ecu says "now" there can't be any hesitations, charging the capacitor with the previous sparks power really isn't the issue (although I'm sure it's an engineering nightmare)

 

**** it. when someone puts them on a stock cobalt i want to see what these do for it. i know that they don't have cooler plugs otherwise i would try them. but when someone trys them i sure hope that they post on here. and IF i'm wrong i'll admit it. but the overall concept of these is a good one.

 

Theres no R&D Needed.... there is nothing wrong with normal sparkplugs.

This is a gimmick.

$16 for 8 NGK TR55's.... FTW

 

man i understand that there is nothing wrong with normal ones but what if you could have better ones. know what i mean. if you could have a better alternative why not.

plus right now i am looking for plugs anyway. zex plugs suck.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble... these are not IT..

Regular Copper > *

 

based on that theory....here is what is going on with your spark

ok...lets look at the steps of a spark.....1.) the coil is charged 2.) the ecu says go 3.) coil discharges 4.) voltage goes into wire 5.) spark is created....

...now lets look at it in a percentage of total voltage view on each step with a normal plug....ok 1.) 100% 2.) 100% 3.) 100% 4.) 95% due to wire loss 5.) 90% due to air gap

...now a plug with a cap in it... 1.) 100% 2.) 100% 3.) 100% 4.) 60% due to wire loss and energy reserved for next spark by capacitor 5.) 90% due to air gap and using stored energy...

so all in all, it would be the exact same based on that theory...buuuut...that theory is also false because capactors do not work that way, unless you have a control system you can not activate their discharge like that, otherwise it will discharge as it pleases and would not store the energy for the next spark.....so....this plug = not practical....its just another toy that does nothing...even if by some miracle it did work on the principles described on the site, it would still be good for nothing but delay....sorry

 

Hes judging you on incorrect statements you are posting.

High voltage will only be delivered to a plug from the coil during dwell thats determined by the PCM. If the plug is not firing during dwell, you are crippling the ability to control ignition.

The plugs are nothing but snake oil.

 

yeah i agree totally, by it delaying the spark, it allows more timing to be ran safely and because people can advance timing, without causing knock, they think it is a better plug.

another issue with pulstar is look at their dyno's for the test results. each one of their cars put out pretty good gains from baseline after the pulstar installations. BUT, read closer and it said that each car had its oil and filter replaced before doing any dyno runs. well, the issue with this is that new oil will dyno lower on the first run, than on the second, third, fourth etc... i'm not sure exactly why this is, but ROYAL PURPLE was on powerblock showing how a controlled environment engine dyno put out more power after each run as the oil was broken in a bit.

so, that is why they changed the oil, did a baseline run then a pulstar run. when they got to the pulstar runs, the oil had reached it max capabilities and will show those results. pulstar may just be what they say it is, but if they actually did everything they advertised, the company would be HUGE and everyone would be running these plugs.

marketing wins this round

 

Add in the fact that the 5000 ohm resistor that most cars require to lessen RFI would effectively discharge any capacitor that they claim is installed or render the resistor useless.

 

http://www.pulstarplug.com/howtheywork.html

look all that i am saying is that it makes sense. just read about them and watch the video.

 

#1 Fanboi here....

Dude... they are snake oil... a gimmick... just like the tornado... just like xray glasses...

 

It makes as much sense as someone trying to explain that fouled plugs will create more power because they delay the high voltage from immediatly ionizing the gas. The only way in that situation to increase power (watt) is by exerting the same amount of energy over a shorter time frame, just like the claims on that site. You can't increase power without either increasing energy (dictated by dwell from the coil) or reducing the amount of time the total energy is released.

 

Yeah..."pulse circuit" or not - the energy still has to overcome the gap resistance and ionize the air between the gap - that is just physics. it looks like they just added a capacitor that peak-discharges at a fast rate - whoopdie do dah - it just adds delay before having to face the laws of physics.