YYZ springs
08-13-2012, 11:29 PM
#276
The other thing is that it should be torqued to 85 ftlbs.
08-14-2012, 12:29 AM
#278
Thanks for the very well written reply but a true "enthusiast" wouldn't be driving a cobalt, lol, so anyway a lot of people have something to prove and I just don't buy into it. I do however have a very large desire for some of your more useful parts (rotated mounts, braking)
CM is the only springs I would run out of the ones listed here, "enthusiasts" mention that they are too soft but they are near stock rates. How can that be a bad thing since the car was proven in the Nürburgring.
Thanks for making parts for our cars btw, you are respected for a reason.
CM is the only springs I would run out of the ones listed here, "enthusiasts" mention that they are too soft but they are near stock rates. How can that be a bad thing since the car was proven in the Nürburgring.
Thanks for making parts for our cars btw, you are respected for a reason.
As far as springs rates go. Again not doing yourself any favors here. If you reduce the travel to the point where you bang off the bump stops all the time, then the springs are too soft, or you have reduced the amount of travel too much. I had this problem with the front Pedders, and couteracted by running a custom set of linear rate bump stops, which is an artificial attempt to up the spring rate.
If you need to slam your car more than 1" from the TC ride height, then these aren't the right springs for you. There are tons of cheap crappy options that will accomplish that. Enjoy them.
08-14-2012, 09:31 AM
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i have H&r sports right now, and they are way too soft. plus the rake is terrible, i am slammed in the front and 3 finger gap in the rear after 1 year and 15k miles.
Nobody has talked in comparison to the B&G springs. They seem to have better springs rates and they lower the car to slammed in the front and 1 finger gap in the rear which is perfect in my opinion.
Nobody has talked in comparison to the B&G springs. They seem to have better springs rates and they lower the car to slammed in the front and 1 finger gap in the rear which is perfect in my opinion.
08-14-2012, 09:39 AM
#281
You're not helping your case here. I picked this car to be my track car. I think I qualify as an enthusiast. I have long list of fun good handling cars that I've owned. I picked this one because it's a well engineered car that is a monster on track. I'm not the only one that realized this. There are plenty of folks running track and autox events in Cobalt SS. Fairly sure they are also enthusiasts. Some choose to participate on this forum. Others wisely avoid.
As far as springs rates go. Again not doing yourself any favors here. If you reduce the travel to the point where you bang off the bump stops all the time, then the springs are too soft, or you have reduced the amount of travel too much. I had this problem with the front Pedders, and couteracted by running a custom set of linear rate bump stops, which is an artificial attempt to up the spring rate.
If you need to slam your car more than 1" from the TC ride height, then these aren't the right springs for you. There are tons of cheap crappy options that will accomplish that. Enjoy them.
As far as springs rates go. Again not doing yourself any favors here. If you reduce the travel to the point where you bang off the bump stops all the time, then the springs are too soft, or you have reduced the amount of travel too much. I had this problem with the front Pedders, and couteracted by running a custom set of linear rate bump stops, which is an artificial attempt to up the spring rate.
If you need to slam your car more than 1" from the TC ride height, then these aren't the right springs for you. There are tons of cheap crappy options that will accomplish that. Enjoy them.
08-14-2012, 09:48 AM
#282
i have H&r sports right now, and they are way too soft. plus the rake is terrible, i am slammed in the front and 3 finger gap in the rear after 1 year and 15k miles.
Nobody has talked in comparison to the B&G springs. They seem to have better springs rates and they lower the car to slammed in the front and 1 finger gap in the rear which is perfect in my opinion.
Nobody has talked in comparison to the B&G springs. They seem to have better springs rates and they lower the car to slammed in the front and 1 finger gap in the rear which is perfect in my opinion.
free length rear is 11.25
10.25 in compression 255 mm 100 lbs
7 1/4 in compression coils bound
free length front is 11.25
255 mm 10 100
185mm 7.25 compression 360 lbs
158mm 6.25 coil bound
08-14-2012, 10:33 AM
#283
old news. One unfortunate characteristic of people is they tend to rubbish what went down before.
the current management at GM is not a lot different from prior to bankruptcy. Karl Strake fits into that category.
and regrettably, this forum has people who drive Cobalts and love to say what a pos it is. Which begs the question, why do you drive one, hang around here, just to say you hate your car and its a pos?
the current management at GM is not a lot different from prior to bankruptcy. Karl Strake fits into that category.
and regrettably, this forum has people who drive Cobalts and love to say what a pos it is. Which begs the question, why do you drive one, hang around here, just to say you hate your car and its a pos?
08-14-2012, 11:03 AM
#285
Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Even GM thinks our cars are crap.
While driving a Cobalt, Karl Stracke, vice president of global vehicle engineering, was blunt: "Look at this car, it's horrible. How did this get through so many people."
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/gene...rrible-215138/
While driving a Cobalt, Karl Stracke, vice president of global vehicle engineering, was blunt: "Look at this car, it's horrible. How did this get through so many people."
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/gene...rrible-215138/
08-14-2012, 11:13 AM
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old news. One unfortunate characteristic of people is they tend to rubbish what went down before.
the current management at GM is not a lot different from prior to bankruptcy. Karl Strake fits into that category.
and regrettably, this forum has people who drive Cobalts and love to say what a pos it is. Which begs the question, why do you drive one, hang around here, just to say you hate your car and its a pos?
the current management at GM is not a lot different from prior to bankruptcy. Karl Strake fits into that category.
and regrettably, this forum has people who drive Cobalts and love to say what a pos it is. Which begs the question, why do you drive one, hang around here, just to say you hate your car and its a pos?
Explaining your springs more to some ppl is like beating a dead horse. There will be plenty of ppl that will enjoy your springs for what they are designed for.
08-14-2012, 11:27 AM
#288
Post #92
But let me throw in some information here. Nominal rates. As the manufacturing shot peening normalizes, YYZ may settle 1/8th to 1/4 inch, NO loss of rate.
StockTC FE5 springs: front. Linear. 158 lbs
Pedders: front. Linear. 139 lbs.
YYZ: front. Progressive. 138 lbs at the first 5.5 inches of travel to 265 at full compression
(1st load 762 lbs @6.4 inches/2nd load 993 lbs @5.5. inches.)
Rear YYZ are variable rate. Pedders are not.
But let me throw in some information here. Nominal rates. As the manufacturing shot peening normalizes, YYZ may settle 1/8th to 1/4 inch, NO loss of rate.
StockTC FE5 springs: front. Linear. 158 lbs
Pedders: front. Linear. 139 lbs.
YYZ: front. Progressive. 138 lbs at the first 5.5 inches of travel to 265 at full compression
(1st load 762 lbs @6.4 inches/2nd load 993 lbs @5.5. inches.)
Rear YYZ are variable rate. Pedders are not.
08-14-2012, 11:45 AM
#289
Some ppl are never statisfied, they could have a supercar but would complain about not enough trunk space. The cobalt is a great car for the cost.
Explaining your springs more to some ppl is like beating a dead horse. There will be plenty of ppl that will enjoy your springs for what they are designed for.
Explaining your springs more to some ppl is like beating a dead horse. There will be plenty of ppl that will enjoy your springs for what they are designed for.
08-14-2012, 01:17 PM
#294
You're not helping your case here. I picked this car to be my track car. I think I qualify as an enthusiast. I have long list of fun good handling cars that I've owned. I picked this one because it's a well engineered car that is a monster on track. I'm not the only one that realized this. There are plenty of folks running track and autox events in Cobalt SS. Fairly sure they are also enthusiasts. Some choose to participate on this forum. Others wisely avoid.
As far as springs rates go. Again not doing yourself any favors here. If you reduce the travel to the point where you bang off the bump stops all the time, then the springs are too soft, or you have reduced the amount of travel too much. I had this problem with the front Pedders, and couteracted by running a custom set of linear rate bump stops, which is an artificial attempt to up the spring rate.
If you need to slam your car more than 1" from the TC ride height, then these aren't the right springs for you. There are tons of cheap crappy options that will accomplish that. Enjoy them.
As far as springs rates go. Again not doing yourself any favors here. If you reduce the travel to the point where you bang off the bump stops all the time, then the springs are too soft, or you have reduced the amount of travel too much. I had this problem with the front Pedders, and couteracted by running a custom set of linear rate bump stops, which is an artificial attempt to up the spring rate.
If you need to slam your car more than 1" from the TC ride height, then these aren't the right springs for you. There are tons of cheap crappy options that will accomplish that. Enjoy them.
08-14-2012, 05:29 PM
#296
Ok now im just confused, few weeks ago pedders was the ****, everyone said they where awesome, so about a week ago I bought some, and now since john came out with his pedders are trash? are pedders still a good performance spring or not? I understand johns springs are better for performance but it seems like everyone is now saying pedders are trash.
08-14-2012, 05:51 PM
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Yes, my car handled very well with Pedders. The big issue people had was that for their ride height they were too soft and it caused them to hit the bumpstops. That caused ride issues and apparently on wangspeeds car damage to his twist beam bushing and a bent shock, again since they were too soft for their ride height. I've never heard of a broken set of Pedders but they do rust, John says these hyperco made springs will not
They WERE the best option, the only performance option. Not anymore
They WERE the best option, the only performance option. Not anymore
08-14-2012, 06:17 PM
#298
Yes, my car handled very well with Pedders. The big issue people had was that for their ride height they were too soft and it caused them to hit the bumpstops. That caused ride issues and apparently on wangspeeds car damage to his twist beam bushing and a bent shock, again since they were too soft for their ride height. I've never heard of a broken set of Pedders but they do rust, John says these hyperco made springs will not
They WERE the best option, the only performance option. Not anymore
They WERE the best option, the only performance option. Not anymore
08-14-2012, 09:44 PM
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well I dont do any autocross or **** like that, im hit the 1/4 track a few times once im done with my setup but outside of that I just do a lil street racing and hitting corners and **** so I just want something that is focused on performance for the street with good looks, im guessing pedders will be more then enough for that?
08-14-2012, 10:14 PM
#300
Ok now im just confused, few weeks ago pedders was the ****, everyone said they where awesome, so about a week ago I bought some, and now since john came out with his pedders are trash? are pedders still a good performance spring or not? I understand johns springs are better for performance but it seems like everyone is now saying pedders are trash.
