YYZ springs
Ya I think my front springs are binding and causing some clunks up front. I need a set of these asap.
If you saw the springs at CED, you'll see how the load will work...very nice
If you saw the springs at CED, you'll see how the load will work...very nice
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I thought my axels were making the clunking on my front, switched axels and still have it. This could be my problem, clunking on front to back vise versa movement
Some good posts here. Let me share some information:
so today, I drove Loki's car (TC, OZ wheels, Star specs, cabs, hardcore rear bar) for a decent drive 30 miles or so. And of course, I drove my car as well every day now. And I asked Kween to drive Loki's car, and then put her in mine... itsa back to back ride off.
There is this old song, Sinatra used to sing it
"night and day, under the hide of me
There's an oh, such a hungry yearnin' burnin' inside of me
And its torment won't be through
Till you let me spend my life makin' love to you
Day and night, night and day "
Point is , thats the difference, Pedders with age,and YYZ. Night and Day.
And that rattling/clunking redssna is talking of? Loki has it so bad its embarrasing, apart from the fact the front tires are hitting the upper fender rail.
So not even near a track yet, the YYZ ride so much better.
NOW> Do you need Koni's? If you are like me yes, but the ride balance is sooo much better ( front to rear spring rate ratio) that the shocks dont have to damp an oversoft rear spring. So dont be afraid to run new FE5 rear shocks and front struts with these YYZ springs. The rates are good, and yes when we are shipping these I will publish some data, data that NO other spring supplier will publish. Because they would have to show that their springs are softer, and dont have the solid load to get the handling and ride balance we all want. Well all except the bottom feeders lol
Oh and Kween, no lie/no prompting, said the car felt "sharper, turned better" . Driving on the street in traffic.
so...
Kween said:
ok.. so,, i thought i'd throw in my .02 here.. firstly, i'm not a big fan on the super low scrap the crap outta ur inner fender liners.. (Kyle.. yes.. there was 400 lbs of crap in there.. ) had a chance to do the AB test today with the new springs.. Sad to say that Pedders have not been able to live a longer life for some people. uhmmm.. maybe a lot of people.. Seen a lot of issues with these Pedders , that were fantastic when they came out..but.. now.. not so much.. Drove Loki's car.. nothing new.. drove it lots of times to the fabricator.. bumpy, rougher ride.. then drove the RL with the new YYZ springs.. noticeably smoother ride, turn in on corners, much more precise.. street driving.. feels super nice.. that's all i got.. "
Mofofernando said" From what I've seen Pedders sit level on the hhr but raked on the balt and ion that's why I'm curious since your car looks level with them on vs the rake Pedders typically give. "
I said"thats true. but the spring rates are sooo much different on these YYZ I think you will find it trims level on an HHR. I would bet on it. "
The solid load ( Narj can explain that to you all) on the rear spring is ginormous compared to any lowering spring. And understand that these springs are not going to give you a big drop.
And Aikidoshadow said:
"If Pedders were such a pita ( fail rates, Customer Service) then why did you recommend them after all that BS you had to put up with Qwik, or was it just a "only player in the ball game" situation?
You put yourself out to help me get mine, and it makes me a loyal customer for things like that. Just sore at pedders for poor QA."
And I replied:
"They were the only game in town- all the other springs are so bad I cant beleive it.... what depresses me more, is the ride on these Hyperco made springs, even though the solid load at the rear is like 3 times what an eibach is, they ride fantabulous. I am so happy. No bounce at the front ( pedders) no bounce at the rear ( cm, eibach, pedders without konis,etc) it s just awesome. And I dont want to oversell it, coz I am not thrilled with the trim ht like I said, but then I got used to the Pedders which had collapsed.
And I do try and help folks get parts even if I dont make them, coz I am just like that. I dont do it for the good of the community I do it as a fellow enthusaist mad about decent cars...
so moving right along:
black TC is stock. Blue redline has YYZ
silver redline has Canuck/SSC
ya dont like it, fck it. The ride and handling trumps all. U want moah loah get airbags
Around 310 a set + shipping.... for the next four weeks...
so today, I drove Loki's car (TC, OZ wheels, Star specs, cabs, hardcore rear bar) for a decent drive 30 miles or so. And of course, I drove my car as well every day now. And I asked Kween to drive Loki's car, and then put her in mine... itsa back to back ride off.
There is this old song, Sinatra used to sing it
"night and day, under the hide of me
There's an oh, such a hungry yearnin' burnin' inside of me
And its torment won't be through
Till you let me spend my life makin' love to you
Day and night, night and day "
Point is , thats the difference, Pedders with age,and YYZ. Night and Day.
And that rattling/clunking redssna is talking of? Loki has it so bad its embarrasing, apart from the fact the front tires are hitting the upper fender rail.
So not even near a track yet, the YYZ ride so much better.
NOW> Do you need Koni's? If you are like me yes, but the ride balance is sooo much better ( front to rear spring rate ratio) that the shocks dont have to damp an oversoft rear spring. So dont be afraid to run new FE5 rear shocks and front struts with these YYZ springs. The rates are good, and yes when we are shipping these I will publish some data, data that NO other spring supplier will publish. Because they would have to show that their springs are softer, and dont have the solid load to get the handling and ride balance we all want. Well all except the bottom feeders lol
Oh and Kween, no lie/no prompting, said the car felt "sharper, turned better" . Driving on the street in traffic.
so...
Kween said:
ok.. so,, i thought i'd throw in my .02 here.. firstly, i'm not a big fan on the super low scrap the crap outta ur inner fender liners.. (Kyle.. yes.. there was 400 lbs of crap in there.. ) had a chance to do the AB test today with the new springs.. Sad to say that Pedders have not been able to live a longer life for some people. uhmmm.. maybe a lot of people.. Seen a lot of issues with these Pedders , that were fantastic when they came out..but.. now.. not so much.. Drove Loki's car.. nothing new.. drove it lots of times to the fabricator.. bumpy, rougher ride.. then drove the RL with the new YYZ springs.. noticeably smoother ride, turn in on corners, much more precise.. street driving.. feels super nice.. that's all i got.. "
Mofofernando said" From what I've seen Pedders sit level on the hhr but raked on the balt and ion that's why I'm curious since your car looks level with them on vs the rake Pedders typically give. "
I said"thats true. but the spring rates are sooo much different on these YYZ I think you will find it trims level on an HHR. I would bet on it. "
The solid load ( Narj can explain that to you all) on the rear spring is ginormous compared to any lowering spring. And understand that these springs are not going to give you a big drop.
And Aikidoshadow said:
"If Pedders were such a pita ( fail rates, Customer Service) then why did you recommend them after all that BS you had to put up with Qwik, or was it just a "only player in the ball game" situation?
You put yourself out to help me get mine, and it makes me a loyal customer for things like that. Just sore at pedders for poor QA."
And I replied:
"They were the only game in town- all the other springs are so bad I cant beleive it.... what depresses me more, is the ride on these Hyperco made springs, even though the solid load at the rear is like 3 times what an eibach is, they ride fantabulous. I am so happy. No bounce at the front ( pedders) no bounce at the rear ( cm, eibach, pedders without konis,etc) it s just awesome. And I dont want to oversell it, coz I am not thrilled with the trim ht like I said, but then I got used to the Pedders which had collapsed.
And I do try and help folks get parts even if I dont make them, coz I am just like that. I dont do it for the good of the community I do it as a fellow enthusaist mad about decent cars...
so moving right along:
black TC is stock. Blue redline has YYZ
silver redline has Canuck/SSC
ya dont like it, fck it. The ride and handling trumps all. U want moah loah get airbags
Around 310 a set + shipping.... for the next four weeks...
we can ship end of week, she cant give you the shipping price until we have them in her hands they are en route. I think we bubble wrap them and put them in one box. Dont need no fancy indvidual boxes y'all; the springs belong on the car. lol
Is Tom@CED still going to be involved in shipping these at all? I remember something being said about that once...
I have a few further questions:
Given these springs barely drop the car at all from what it seems (which is perfectly fine by me!), is an alignment still needed after install? What would be the ill effects of not getting it aligned? Would just the toe need adjustment I’m assuming? I know I had to align toe only on my LT on progress springs but that drop was completely different than these springs offer.
Should a person choose to wait, what would these get priced up to? $310 now…….. what about after the 4 week period? I really want them and this price difference may force me to get them now if it is really worth my money to do so. Damn you Powell for wanting me to spend my money!!! LOL
On a lighter non-technical note, what color are they being powdercoated? I’m just curious (im guessing the typical red.. , but being unique from other brands n going silver/gunmetal would be cool too imo, not that I honestly care a whole lot about color but it’s a thought haha)
Given these springs barely drop the car at all from what it seems (which is perfectly fine by me!), is an alignment still needed after install? What would be the ill effects of not getting it aligned? Would just the toe need adjustment I’m assuming? I know I had to align toe only on my LT on progress springs but that drop was completely different than these springs offer.
Should a person choose to wait, what would these get priced up to? $310 now…….. what about after the 4 week period? I really want them and this price difference may force me to get them now if it is really worth my money to do so. Damn you Powell for wanting me to spend my money!!! LOL
On a lighter non-technical note, what color are they being powdercoated? I’m just curious (im guessing the typical red.. , but being unique from other brands n going silver/gunmetal would be cool too imo, not that I honestly care a whole lot about color but it’s a thought haha)
On a lighter non-technical note, what color are they being powdercoated? I’m just curious (im guessing the typical red.. , but being unique from other brands n going silver/gunmetal would be cool too imo, not that I honestly care a whole lot about color but it’s a thought haha)
in for more pics of johns car. gloria said john is doing a few more installs.
my pedders are up for sale because john said i wouldnt regret these just want SOMETHING that rides ALOT BETTER than sportlines
my pedders are up for sale because john said i wouldnt regret these just want SOMETHING that rides ALOT BETTER than sportlines
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Thats a good note on the alignment with near stock ride height, I've had really bad bump steer with my setup that I still haven't pinned down yet. With and without rack spacers. So the YYZs should be beneficial with front toe control as well, yet another plus and a huge one for me
I think the next posts ( or maybe a new thread) will be from Wangspeed's point of view , as his are getting installed today. Springs will be shipping from the factory tomorrow. Woot!
But let me throw in some information here. Nominal rates. As the manufacturing shot peening normalizes, YYZ may settle 1/8th to 1/4 inch, NO loss of rate.
StockTC FE5 springs: front. Linear. 158 lbs
Pedders: front. Linear. 139 lbs.
YYZ: front. Progressive. 138 lbs at the first 5.5 inches of travel to 265 at full compression
(1st load 762 lbs @6.4 inches/2nd load 993 lbs @5.5. inches.)
Rear YYZ are variable rate. Pedders are not.
thats all for now. More to come.
But let me throw in some information here. Nominal rates. As the manufacturing shot peening normalizes, YYZ may settle 1/8th to 1/4 inch, NO loss of rate.
StockTC FE5 springs: front. Linear. 158 lbs
Pedders: front. Linear. 139 lbs.
YYZ: front. Progressive. 138 lbs at the first 5.5 inches of travel to 265 at full compression
(1st load 762 lbs @6.4 inches/2nd load 993 lbs @5.5. inches.)
Rear YYZ are variable rate. Pedders are not.
thats all for now. More to come.
Last edited by Powell Race Parts; Jul 31, 2012 at 04:11 PM.
But it could be the engine mount, check upper and lower, end link but mine sounds like the spring itself is binding like the 2 rings in a coil touch and the upper goes next or below a lower ring or something. Just doesn't seem right. I only have 25k miles!!!
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Mine is def front right as well. Im getting alignment this week, should help narrow culprit. My pedders have about 10000-15000 on them. I also suspect could be top hat for strut, needs more inspection, but driving me nuts