evo x vs ss/tc
all junk including the tune.
I know of a CSRT on here thats running my setup that would decimate you. He made 391 whp and had a solid powerband to boot. See, what u dont get is the fact that I got rid of the CSRT not because it was a bad car, but because mopar would not let its true potential be utilized AND the overall dealerships are complete garbage. They dont want to warranty anything.
Let me elaborate as to why I think the evo IS the best tuner ( sport compact aka NON muscle car ) money can buy.
1) AWD
2) aftermarket that rivals civic's
3) parts arent too terribly priced
4) you can auto-x, drag race, AND dirt course
5) you can have the engine run anyway imaginable
^You will be hard pressed to find a tuner that has all of these. The only other option is a DSM ( which is mitsubishi anyway ) or an wrx ( and they cost a small fortune to mod ). In fact, since you seem to think you know so much about cars, find a direct competitor in ALL of those categories that ISNT subaru. Lets see what u really know.
Yea, this makes tons of sense. Because a GTO is awsome at auto-x, drag, and off road courses. I can see youre a one dimensional person only focused on drag racing. Since that is the case, maybe you should sell ur cobalt and get a GTO. It would fit your definition of a budget car.
I dont need to explain myself to you. You drive a ******* cobalt and only care about drag racing. There is so much fail there. I used to have that mentality. Then I realized AWD + RWD > FWD.
I know of a CSRT on here thats running my setup that would decimate you. He made 391 whp and had a solid powerband to boot. See, what u dont get is the fact that I got rid of the CSRT not because it was a bad car, but because mopar would not let its true potential be utilized AND the overall dealerships are complete garbage. They dont want to warranty anything.
Let me elaborate as to why I think the evo IS the best tuner ( sport compact aka NON muscle car ) money can buy.
1) AWD
2) aftermarket that rivals civic's
3) parts arent too terribly priced
4) you can auto-x, drag race, AND dirt course
5) you can have the engine run anyway imaginable
^You will be hard pressed to find a tuner that has all of these. The only other option is a DSM ( which is mitsubishi anyway ) or an wrx ( and they cost a small fortune to mod ). In fact, since you seem to think you know so much about cars, find a direct competitor in ALL of those categories that ISNT subaru. Lets see what u really know.
Yea, this makes tons of sense. Because a GTO is awsome at auto-x, drag, and off road courses. I can see youre a one dimensional person only focused on drag racing. Since that is the case, maybe you should sell ur cobalt and get a GTO. It would fit your definition of a budget car.
I dont need to explain myself to you. You drive a ******* cobalt and only care about drag racing. There is so much fail there. I used to have that mentality. Then I realized AWD + RWD > FWD.
how many times have you done solo sprint...not autocross look at me drive around a parking lot.
Lol at the drag racing comment..I LOL.
Bring your evo up here. Beat my 1:10.50 on our course.
I love how you just keep implying im some kind of cobalt fan boy, when in any of my posts have i referenced a cobalt being superior?
your so dumb. its unreal. Jump another band wagon and leave this forum. your a joke, no one likes you.
Yeah anyone remember that episode of passtime where that evo kids like " im running 30 pounds " goes to launch and dumps it snapping the stock linkage on his EVO LOL poor guy
I am no fan of either or , to tell you the truth I would rather own a cosworth rally car then any STI or EVO with a full roll cage ,
Either way you can't deny the STI is a superior rally car ..
I am no fan of either or , to tell you the truth I would rather own a cosworth rally car then any STI or EVO with a full roll cage ,
Either way you can't deny the STI is a superior rally car ..
Ya because we all know the STI doesnt break down.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/J...Sti_691383.htm
Like i said, its a moot point.
all junk including the tune.
Let me elaborate as to why I think the evo IS the best tuner ( sport compact aka NON muscle car ) money can buy.
1) AWD
2) aftermarket that rivals civic's
3) parts arent too terribly priced
4) you can auto-x, drag race, AND dirt course
5) you can have the engine run anyway imaginable
.
Let me elaborate as to why I think the evo IS the best tuner ( sport compact aka NON muscle car ) money can buy.
1) AWD
2) aftermarket that rivals civic's
3) parts arent too terribly priced
4) you can auto-x, drag race, AND dirt course
5) you can have the engine run anyway imaginable
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Who ******* cares what you think? I mean, youre in every thread, hijacking, telling us **** we already know about your better than god evo. Your car is great, however you are a complete ******* loser. These idiots that think they are unbeatable make me loler.
wait...since when do i only care about deag racing?
how many times have you done solo sprint...not autocross look at me drive around a parking lot.
Lol at the drag racing comment..I LOL.
Bring your evo up here. Beat my 1:10.50 on our course.
I love how you just keep implying im some kind of cobalt fan boy, when in any of my posts have i referenced a cobalt being superior?
your so dumb. its unreal. Jump another band wagon and leave this forum. your a joke, no one likes you
how many times have you done solo sprint...not autocross look at me drive around a parking lot.
Lol at the drag racing comment..I LOL.
Bring your evo up here. Beat my 1:10.50 on our course.
I love how you just keep implying im some kind of cobalt fan boy, when in any of my posts have i referenced a cobalt being superior?
your so dumb. its unreal. Jump another band wagon and leave this forum. your a joke, no one likes you
Lets see, you support the only cobalt fanboi comment in this thread. Congrats! I guess this makes you lower than a fanboi. I guess that makes you a fanboi nutswinger?
And once again, you havent proven anything. The reason u cant answer my question is because there is no answer. You cant do all those things because mitsu and subaru are the only two tuner platforms u can do all those with. Theyre the best all around tuner. Its the facts. There is no other tuner that can be built to do all the same as effectively.
The only people I make a point to **** off is the fanboi. It seems to be working in your case. I dont like fanboi because they dont know ****. We have enough ignorant retards in this world, and I dont have to tolerate them.
Youre a down to earth and pretty reasonable guy. The original argument presented by princessturbo that I conjected was that the SS is better than the evo. If you really believe this, then youre not as smart about cars as I had thought.
Projekt is the one who not only started this garbage, but also provided no relevant proof to counter my arguments, except childish name calling.
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I traded in my OTTP stage 1 w/ full boltons 06 ss/sc for an 08 evo x back in april. The handling, and overall feel of the evo was amazing...but it was slower than my cobalt was. I race my buddy with a gm s2 w/ boltons 07 ss/sc from a 40 roll, and lost by about a car. Yes, a stage 2 supercharged cobalt will beat a bone stock evo x from a roll. The stock tune on the evo x is garbage...they only dyno about 240ish to the wheels, and they weigh 3550 pounds. i went and got a stage 0 base flash from AMS for $500, and beat that same friend of mine by a car and half from the same 40 roll. Just that flash put me at about 295-305awhp, up about 60 over stock. made all the difference in the world. bone stock evo x with just the ams base flash, i wuss launched my car at 3k rpms (instead of the 6k) 2 step, and ran a 13.8 @ 102. had I launched the car off the 2 step, that would have been a low 13s pass, with only a flash. I still have stock weight, stock exhaust, everything. once i get my exhaust system, and get another reflash to accomodate my intake and exhaust mods, my car could pull a high 12. it's definitely a solid platform, and is an absolute blast to drive on a daily basis. i just got some new continental extreme contact DWS all season tires for winter...and i cant wait to drive the evo in snow!
I miss my cobalt, being my first car and all, but the evo is such a sweet car. The cobalt SS is still the best bang for your buck for performance, and yes it's very easy to make a cobalt faster than my evo...but the evo is still in an entirely different league. every car has its place in the market, and i honestly dont regret buying either of them.
I miss my cobalt, being my first car and all, but the evo is such a sweet car. The cobalt SS is still the best bang for your buck for performance, and yes it's very easy to make a cobalt faster than my evo...but the evo is still in an entirely different league. every car has its place in the market, and i honestly dont regret buying either of them.
All i care about is drag because clearly my car isnt being built for the track :faceplam:
Im done with your ignorance. keep you head up your ass. Atleast then i dont have to listen to you talk
Im done with your ignorance. keep you head up your ass. Atleast then i dont have to listen to you talk
SuperchargedSS....
Youre a down to earth and pretty reasonable guy. The original argument presented by princessturbo that I conjected was that the SS is better than the evo. If you really believe this, then youre not as smart about cars as I had thought.
Projekt is the one who not only started this garbage, but also provided no relevant proof to counter my arguments, except childish name calling.
If being up my ass means being away from fanboi like urself, I will gladly stay there since it seems to be the only sane place according to your logic.
and Im in love with that OPEL OPC that just came out in Germany. If it comes over here as a Buck, which is the runor right now, i'd be all over that car.
325hp V6 AWD 6 spd, and looks sick. Not to mention the interior looks BWM like. I'd sell the CSRT in a heartbeat for that. Otherwise i'm pretty content in the old gal.
LMAO at this thread. the cobalt vs. anyothercarintheworld argument is ****** lame. if people want to know what car is faster then go ****** race instead of finding out your chances on an internet forum.
all it boils down to is where your car and the other car is with it's build/tune. obviously theres cars that are a given lose for the cobalt and there are ones that arent. go find a stock civic if a guaranteed win is what one wants.
other than that, just ******* race. (take it to a track) dont be a *******.
all it boils down to is where your car and the other car is with it's build/tune. obviously theres cars that are a given lose for the cobalt and there are ones that arent. go find a stock civic if a guaranteed win is what one wants.
other than that, just ******* race. (take it to a track) dont be a *******.
So am I the only CSRT on here now? lol
and Im in love with that OPEL OPC that just came out in Germany. If it comes over here as a Buck, which is the runor right now, i'd be all over that car.
325hp V6 AWD 6 spd, and looks sick. Not to mention the interior looks BWM like. I'd sell the CSRT in a heartbeat for that. Otherwise i'm pretty content in the old gal.
and Im in love with that OPEL OPC that just came out in Germany. If it comes over here as a Buck, which is the runor right now, i'd be all over that car.
325hp V6 AWD 6 spd, and looks sick. Not to mention the interior looks BWM like. I'd sell the CSRT in a heartbeat for that. Otherwise i'm pretty content in the old gal.

hes the one running something stupid like 391 whp and 430 wtq.
There shouldn't even be an argument over which one is better. there is a 10k difference in price between the cobalt and the evo. i've owned both. i love both. the cobalt is the best bang for your buck if you want practicality and performance. same can be said about the X, even though it's more expensive. They are both solid platforms to perform upgrades. The evo has 18 years of development and experience behind it, it's an absolutely amazing car to drive...but you can't beat the cobalt in the sub 25k price range...you just can't. personally, i dont think the evo should be compared to the cobalt at all. The cobalt should be matched with the rsx, neon srt4, focus rs, etc. The evo and STi are pretty much in their own category, and it's comparing apples to oranges. It would be like comparing a silverado to a tahoe, each vehicle has its niche, it's own market, and serves its own purpose. sure, both the cobalt and the evo are 4 cylinder "tuners," but when it comes down to it, one is a really quick, inexpensive econobox that's built like a tank, and the other is a rally bred race car with almost 20 years experience behind it. bottom line, they are both badass vehicles, depending on what you are looking for, and how much you want to spend. can a mildly modded cobalt beat an evo? sure, it's happened to me, but any car can beat any other car if enough money is put into it. You could have an 800hp geo metro if you really wanted to, so arguing car vs. car is pointless. stock to stock, the evo is a little quicker, handles better, is bigger, has awd, and is a little nicer than the cobalt...but it better be for 35k. however, the cobalt can be brought up to evo performance levels for pretty cheap.
I'm in the "Saving $ to move into my own place" mode so the car is on the back burner for now... But i'd like to get the clutch installed and put in the WOT box come spring time.
Bad you sell that DP already?
There shouldn't even be an argument over which one is better. there is a 10k difference in price between the cobalt and the evo. i've owned both. i love both. the cobalt is the best bang for your buck if you want practicality and performance. same can be said about the X, even though it's more expensive. They are both solid platforms to perform upgrades. The evo has 18 years of development and experience behind it, it's an absolutely amazing car to drive...but you can't beat the cobalt in the sub 25k price range...you just can't. personally, i dont think the evo should be compared to the cobalt at all. The cobalt should be matched with the rsx, neon srt4, focus rs, etc. The evo and STi are pretty much in their own category, and it's comparing apples to oranges. It would be like comparing a silverado to a tahoe, each vehicle has its niche, it's own market, and serves its own purpose. sure, both the cobalt and the evo are 4 cylinder "tuners," but when it comes down to it, one is a really quick, inexpensive econobox that's built like a tank, and the other is a rally bred race car with almost 20 years experience behind it. bottom line, they are both badass vehicles, depending on what you are looking for, and how much you want to spend. can a mildly modded cobalt beat an evo? sure, it's happened to me, but any car can beat any other car if enough money is put into it. You could have an 800hp geo metro if you really wanted to, so arguing car vs. car is pointless. stock to stock, the evo is a little quicker, handles better, is bigger, has awd, and is a little nicer than the cobalt...but it better be for 35k. however, the cobalt can be brought up to evo performance levels for pretty cheap.
all true especially the bold statement. it's been argued. bottom line is, everyone that owns a car capable of being considered a "tuner car" wants to compare their cars to what they view as better or something worth being compared too then get butt hurt when you tell them their car in some cases isnt as fast.
some cobalts are faster than some evos... who cares??? not everyone is out to race every car on the road, and it seems alot of members in the cobalt community just dont get this. which is why we see so many "cobalt vs. _ _ _ _!" threads.
all true especially the bold statement. it's been argued. bottom line is, everyone that owns a car capable of being considered a "tuner car" wants to compare their cars to what they view as better or something worth being compared too then get butt hurt when you tell them their car in some cases isnt as fast.
some cobalts are faster than some evos... who cares??? not everyone is out to race every car on the road, and it seems alot of members in the cobalt community just dont get this. which is why we see so many "cobalt vs. _ _ _ _!" threads.
some cobalts are faster than some evos... who cares??? not everyone is out to race every car on the road, and it seems alot of members in the cobalt community just dont get this. which is why we see so many "cobalt vs. _ _ _ _!" threads.
to further prove my point, look at honda hatches. biggest piece of garbage, nothing special cars on the planet....but you can have one run 11's fur under 10k. They are light, there is aftermarket up the ass for them, and they are cheap. people buy hondas because of price vs. performance. personally, i would rather drive a "slow" 13.8s evo than an 11 second hatch anyday, but that's why there are so many choices...you just have to decide what you want.
not yet, but I have 14psi interested.
ROFL LOLOLOL!
I hate to break it to you, but built evo's run 8's in the 1/4 mile. Stock turbo evo's can run low 11's. The evo is the best tuner platform money can buy, period. Sorry to pop ur lnf bubble.
It doesnt justify anyone who owns one being an ass, however facts are facts. AWD, unlimited aftermarket, stock suspension that beats out cars 2x its pricetag. Yea, u really dont get a better tuner than that.
Honestly, Ive seen 500+ whp evo's that rev all the way to 10k and make power through THE ENTIRE POWERBAND. Check this one out:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...turbotrix.html
^this particular engine revs to 9k, and was built to do such. He is currently looking into a turbo upgrade to make more power on it. This is his DD as well.
Anything you want to do, its possible with an evo. And its about 20x more expensive.
I hate to break it to you, but built evo's run 8's in the 1/4 mile. Stock turbo evo's can run low 11's. The evo is the best tuner platform money can buy, period. Sorry to pop ur lnf bubble.
It doesnt justify anyone who owns one being an ass, however facts are facts. AWD, unlimited aftermarket, stock suspension that beats out cars 2x its pricetag. Yea, u really dont get a better tuner than that.
Honestly, Ive seen 500+ whp evo's that rev all the way to 10k and make power through THE ENTIRE POWERBAND. Check this one out:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-dyn...turbotrix.html
^this particular engine revs to 9k, and was built to do such. He is currently looking into a turbo upgrade to make more power on it. This is his DD as well.
Anything you want to do, its possible with an evo. And its about 20x more expensive.
all true especially the bold statement. it's been argued. bottom line is, everyone that owns a car capable of being considered a "tuner car" wants to compare their cars to what they view as better or something worth being compared too then get butt hurt when you tell them their car in some cases isnt as fast.
some cobalts are faster than some evos... who cares??? not everyone is out to race every car on the road, and it seems alot of members in the cobalt community just dont get this. which is why we see so many "cobalt vs. _ _ _ _!" threads.
some cobalts are faster than some evos... who cares??? not everyone is out to race every car on the road, and it seems alot of members in the cobalt community just dont get this. which is why we see so many "cobalt vs. _ _ _ _!" threads.
So really, when it boils down to which car can do more, and the evo is better if you want to do more because it has been around forever.
lol, its not that expensive. Im picking up a turbo back exhaust for $250, making a custom CAI with a k&n filter and the stock airbox for $85, and getting a guage pillar + 3 guages for $112. You can also pick up a set of cams for $565.
you have to know where to shop
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There are too many fanboi driving them. All these fan boi defend the cobalt yet they dont realize something. The evo has been there and done that. You can make a 9 or 8 second evo, you CANT make a 9 or 8 second LSJ or LNF. The ecotec is still wet behind the ears in terms of how long its been around and how far the aftermarket has come. Sure, you can make 400+ whp on an LSJ or LNF. But you can also make a 1000 awhp evo.
So really, when it boils down to which car can do more, and the evo is better if you want to do more because it has been around forever.
lol, its not that expensive. Im picking up a turbo back exhaust for $250, making a custom CAI with a k&n filter and the stock airbox for $85, and getting a guage pillar + 3 guages for $112. You can also pick up a set of cams for $565.
you have to know where to shop
So really, when it boils down to which car can do more, and the evo is better if you want to do more because it has been around forever.
lol, its not that expensive. Im picking up a turbo back exhaust for $250, making a custom CAI with a k&n filter and the stock airbox for $85, and getting a guage pillar + 3 guages for $112. You can also pick up a set of cams for $565.
you have to know where to shop

I must have not read it but i dont remember once commenting about a cobalt being superior then a EVO. i think the evo is. But thinking its the best tuner car for the money..thats called being a fanboy with their head stick right up their ass.
Want to know what makes more power and handels better for 20,000 dollars??? a corvette. kthxbye
Used sale thread. congradulations.
I must have not read it but i dont remember once commenting about a cobalt being superior then a EVO. i think the evo is. But thinking its the best tuner car for the money..thats called being a fanboy with their head stick right up their ass.
Want to know what makes more power and handels better for 20,000 dollars??? a corvette. kthxbye
I must have not read it but i dont remember once commenting about a cobalt being superior then a EVO. i think the evo is. But thinking its the best tuner car for the money..thats called being a fanboy with their head stick right up their ass.
Want to know what makes more power and handels better for 20,000 dollars??? a corvette. kthxbye
Thats a muscle car not a tuner.
And all those parts are new


