Yep, I agree!

Our cars can def put a hurtin on more expensive cars, but that doesnt mean it ups the class of our car, haha.

 

Imports (Tuner Crowds) hate us because we are domestic

Domestics hate us because we are only 4 cylinder

Seems everyone but us hates our styling/appearance

Stanced guys hate us because we cant get stance easily

Track guys hate us because we beat them on less than half the cost in most cases

Audio Lovers hate us because they need to dynomat every living sq. inch of the car to make it sound respectable

MS3 owners hate us cuz we (ss/tc's) always outperform them mod for mod on the street or track

NSRT4 guys hate us because we (ss/tc's) have stock features they wish they had stock

Fellow Cobalt owners hate us because racecras and the complete lack of respect for each owners style/preference

and finally, we hate ourselves because in some way or another we are jealous of the cars and their owners that hate us

 

haha truth.

I honestly only get hate from ricers. Usually its the people that cant get over their brand specific choices, like Dodge owners hating chevy, ford hating dodge etc or 18 year old SRT4 owners.

 

Bitches be like "oh you drive a cobalt? So does my sister"...yeah a base model lol

 

^^^ Lmfao!!

I love the cobalt platform, and I dont hate anybody that drives one.. I'm always interested in seeing under everybodys hood and interior to see how creative they are.. I'm into modding, I love different styles, I love seeing how other people mod their cars. I drive a LSJ, but I def. don't hate on the LNF.. I had a base model for over 2 years before I got my SS/SC, and I liked mine.

 

for some reason i used to get alot of hate coming from s2000's and civics, s2ks i give respect only when boosted, civic's which are mostly all motor all the time are just annoying 17 year olds that swear they have a fast car just becuase vtak.

i think s2ks are bad ass cars although very slow stock they still look sick and have lots of potential as well.

 

I love Cobalts. I just 'hate' that there arent any really fast ones in the valley that i know of. There's a pretty quick one in Tucson that i'd like to race.

 

I have to subtly disagree. It's not necessarily hating on or being a dick but when an LSJ owner even states "well I can buy a turbo kit and FE5 suspension and be just as good as you" it just makes me laugh. I fully understand the potential in the LSJ but it's the fact that stock and modified LSJs are slower than stock or modified LNFs (if you're going mod for mod, generally the case) People just get all butthurt (or the ones pointing it out act like ********) when everyone should be able to accept the simple truth. Like someone pointed out earlier it all depends on who has the most money which is the biggest thing when dealing with mods.

One big thing though I don't like is when an LSJ owner goes "Well my LSJ is turbo swapped and way faster than an LNF!" While you still are an LSJ platform, you're far from a stock or even "modified" LSJ or anything comparable to a bone stock or modified LNF (given the LNF is modified to the tee). Or with that being said when a modified LNF rags on a bone stock or even tastefully modified SC for being slower than it. Really? How many captain obvious do we have?

It's cool that people like to discuss the pros and cons of one platform to the other, or even joke around about it. (SC's are slow ) Just seems to annoy the **** out of everyone though when people can't take a joke or can't have a basic discussion without someone pointing out the obvious or claiming their car is SO much faster because they've dumped 10x more money into theirs compared to the other 99% who don't do that.

Is it hard just to respect everyone's cars or whatever they decide to do to it? Seems easy enough.

 

See ur still a very new member.... and weren't around this site when this crap actually started.

The SS/SC used to be top dog. When the SS/TC came out, some people that went over to it started calling the SS/SC a piece of ****, and knocking LSJ owners left and right. It started a long time ago, and hasn't stopped since.

That hatered should have never happened, but it did, and prob will never stop. That's why I still say some of the biggest haters are within our own community.

There are SS/SC's that will beat SS/TC's and vice versa. Both are great cars, but since most of this site is in their late teens early twentys the maturity level isn't there to handle that.

 

I had a quick response, but I take it back.

The reason why I think the car is hated is because of the few that ruin the whole. The Cobalt SS is an affordable car so you get cheap asses and you get immaturity driving it. That and the fact the car is a cheap ass car. People don't like class-less cheapies I've learned. The car lacks any sort of refinement and you get this stereotype that poverty stricken low lives drive Cobalts.

Testosterone from the kids make for bold claims and prejudices on the car. So for example if someone beats you in a Cobalt, it's still a Cobalt and no respect is given. Denial sets in then turns to hate. If you lose in a Cobalt it's well deserved and the POS shouldn't be modded to begin with.

My social observation is Name>Function

For example a famous violinist plays his entire 'lucrative' playlist as a street performer and made $31 after several hours. To the masses he was just a good street performer. Nothing more. Little did the world know he made millions in the concert that sold $100 per ticket perviously. The 'name' and the 'lucrative' feel made people pay more and dress up etc.

The status of the Cobalt is low. Because of this it's hated on. That's my theory.

Kind of like Android vs iPhone

I feel the Android is more functional than the iPhone and technically is better, but the iPhone is better and I think it's the name and status associated with it. Blackberry is a good phone too, but when you see someone using it, you think "gawd upgrade that dinosaur"

I feel like if Apple put iOS in an Android shell and the quality wasn't any less than what you'd see on an official iPhone, people would hate the hell out of that phone. Saying it's a copy, the quality is poor, or what ever else they can hate on, but their minds would blow up if they knew Apple made it.

Another example is my boss and the owner of Centennial Equipment at the time drove a Geo Metro to save gas. He said he got horrid looks from everyone when he pulled up. He didn't care he was saving on fuel. But that's the kind of initial impression I think people have with the Cobalt. My boss wasn't a cheap ass, he had money! At least I think he did, he lived like he did! Drove a nice car and had a huge house in Cherry Creek and had nice things. I can only assume he had money.

 

Our Cobalts (SC/TC) are "performance" cars. I remember popping the hood and seeing, "GM Performance Division." The kitten was out of the bag by then. Hmmm.

Newt, it also sounds like you bought a luxury vehicle, or you like those.

It all boils down to personal preference. I could give two $hits about luxury. I bought my car because:
affordable, fast, fast, fast, fast. I don't really care too much about the interior. I think the LNF has plenty of features, and I don't think the interior looks bad.

 

U act like that happens more often then lnf guys telling us how slow or shitty we are, and to be honest yes an lsj can pick up a turbo kit and some fe5 setup and be putting down close to 400 whp for the price difference it would have cost to get the lnf over the lsj, also you say modded lsj are slower then modded lnf, umm thats an ignorant statement the fastest lsj and lnf are both owned by zzp and the lsj put down 898 whp the lnf is 600 something but that dont mean that every modded lsj is faster then an lnf because it always depends on each others mods as too who is faster.

 

Vander, what percentage of people own a 500+ cobalt, LSJ or LNF?

1 in every 50 guys you see spends that much money in their cobalt. That's not an ignorant statement, the majority of LNFs are faster than the majority of LSJs.

It's like taking a Z06 and putting a big turbo on it then shitting on ZR1s cause they're slower. Just ******* stupid and it's not even a Z06 at that point.

Turbo LSJ? Not even close to a stock SS like it used to be. Same goes with the LNF. You change the turbo shut the **** up about how much faster you are or better than a K04 LNF. Christ sake. That's not directed at you dude but that's what this whole bitching fest is over. LMAO

You took everything I said and flipped it.

 

Well i personally consider my car a good car, it has be reliable for me, its fairy quick about to be alot quicker tho, and it makes me happy everytime i sit in the drivers seat.

 

Exactly, I think since the car is cheaper you get the youngsters full of testosterone wanting to be top dog owning the car. More so than older.

I see it on other forums too. MS3; Gen One vs Gen Two, GTI; FSI vs TSI, WRX; Pre 09 vs After 09.

It's seems to be the younger audience that can't seem to appreciate the opposition. They let their emotions cloud how they think and all that comes out is hate.

 

Thank you sir. I don't understand it when others constantly bash on the interior of the car. If the interior is so horrid then why did you buy the car? I happen to think the interior looks very nice, the seats are comfortable and happens to have more room than wife's 4-door focus. It's not a Porsche so of course it's not going to be top of the line, but for the cost of the car and the performance you get with it, I think it's a good car all around.

 

Exactly!

 

So u place the whole blame on the lsj-t guys for the hate? Im guessing u never seen an lnf guy **** on someone for having a m62 cobalt. Keep in mind im not turbo swapped im still rocking the m62 but to be honest most of this hate comes for people with an lnf.

 

who gives a ****!!!!

the only person i ever see talking about a huge divide between the ss/sc and ss/tc is you.

 

I give up. I love em both.

LOL

 

this thread is gettn epic, and the statement bout who lays down the most on their build is right, if a modded tc comes across a sc whp dropped more money into it and beats the tc he has a chip on his shoulder and now thinks the tc is a POS and then the other way around, frankly i envy the sc becuz they dnt have the fueling problem Tc owners have so if you come across a sc owner dropped in the same turbo rebuilt his blocc the same way, then who actually has the faster car?

 

I know im a ******* awful person for wanting cobalt owners to stop fighting, go sit in a corner asshat.

 

So much arguing in my world today lol. First about CCSS3 now this haha. Must be one of those days.

 

how are you going to get people to stop fighting if all you do is argue about how the SS/SC is just as good as the SS/TC. there is a reason the SS/TC came with a turbo and not a supercharger.

the same thing happened when i had my Evo X. everyone with an 8 or 9, talked all kinds of **** because the X was slower. i didnt care, i bought the car i wanted. did you?