slow when compared to a ss sc

 

^^^ I kinda have to agree haha.. It's because we are blown and we fly past when they have to spool up. SS/SC is a better MS3 killer than a SS/TC IMO. (Then again, I'm a little modded so I wont speak for a stock SS/SC)

 

i love comparing modified cars vs stock cars.

 

Theyre an overrated station wagon. Theyre WAY overrated from the factory, only see about 225 whp and 260 wtq

 

really an 09 ss/tc? was he even pushing it past 4000RPM he's probably still breaking it in

 

theyre no good wout full bolt ons and a tune with injectors. Even then, they suck it. The pistons in the MS3 are sh*t, and u cant push serious power levels in it without blowing it up. Theyre garbage for a tuner.

 

I have seen a stock T/C beat a stage 2 SC. The T/C makes a lot more torque and about 10whp more than a SC. A tuned TC will make a stage 2 SC look like its standing still.

 

you cant magazine race with cars doesn't matter you could be drivin a factory freak! or your just the better driver.

 

I was just to the Drag Strip 2 weeks ago and there was a White MS3 all done up, BOV Exhaust, had top have an intake too im sure, he was barely, and I mean barely, pulling out 14.5's most of the night he was up around 14.8 14.9, I ran ocewith my stock TC and ran 14.5, so your judgement.

 

ehh, no. Hope u were kidding. There def fast cars.

 

yeah n it would deff beat a stock ss/sc n the ss/tc would **** on the sc my friend has the 06 redline sc pretty much the same thing as the cobalts n he cant compete the ms3 was quick but it seemed when he would shift to 3rd id still be in second pulling wayyy hard n just fly by him

 

Yah I think the torque is something like that. It makes pretty impressive torque IMO, but were definitely right up there with it.

 

C&D cracked off a 5.4s sprint... They openly admitted to abusing the car to do so, on the orders of Mazda engineers. They dumped the clutch hard and flat-shifted the 1-2. I have no problem with this, it's just means the 5.4s isn't representative of what someone who actually owns the car would run.

 

Oh didn't know that... I just read it did 0-60 in like 5.3 I guess 5.4, knowing that's pretty quick... But yeah, I didn't know they did it for that reason.

 

U guys are overlooking one important factor though. Sure it can run hihg 12's, but thats ALL it can do with stock internals and turbo. The pistons in that thing are junk, and the turbo is crap too. Engines are blowing up in that thing all over the place. If you want to reliably push anything close to 400 whp, ur gonna need to do some serious work to it. As a modder, it really doesnt stand out at all, and I think its one of the worst modder cars on the market.

 

im not joking. put your s2 in and then let me know how fast they are. 2.3 better have more tq.... no ****

 

My friend has an MS6 same engine as the MS3 the 2.3

They are Direct Injection, but they don't have the same model of turbo, they are both Borg Warner turbos but the TC has a TWIN SCROLL, MS3/6 is a standard Single Scroll K04...

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87023

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87022

Advantage TC for faster spool!

 

quality info ftw, cobalt ss/tc does it again

 

random google info...
ms3

80-120 3rd 3.8s
80-120 4th 4.2s
80-120 5th 5.4s

 

Well that's an obvious result, as per the road test numbers from Road & Track:

Cobalt SS/TC
0-60 5.5 sec
0-100 12.9 sec
1/4 mile 14.0 sec @ 101.8
Weight: 2935
260 hp / 260 tq

Mazdaspeed 3
0-60 6.2 sec
0-100 16.0 sec
1/4 mile 14.5 sec @ 96.4
Weight: 3180
263 hp / 280 tq

 

I find it surprising that even with extra displacement the ms3 turbo spools so slow and it chokes at 5.5k rpm



Here's the lnf dyno, the thin lines are the lnf and the thick ones are a 2.4L with a hahn turbo.

 

^^^^Sorry guys when I said I raced an '09 I was referring to an MS3

 

lol now it makes sence

 

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...stbaseline.pdf

this dyno more in line with 08 tc.

Nice to see GM finally puting effort into their cars.

Looks like to compete with a TC you'd need the australian Mazdaspeed3 extreme 280hp with around 315torque.

 

My tracks times against a couple different MS3's on the same day, same track, same conditions would seem to back that up. I know my car was stock and assuming they didn't have any modifications the Cobalt was trapping a few mph higher and a couple ticks quicker.



And your car has been called a mini-minivan or a mini SUV, not that there's any problem with that (heck, I drag race an actual minivan on occasion), but some people have different tastes. You're slamming the Mazda pretty hard when we don't know for certain how the LNF is going to hold up. The internals on the Mazda's 2.3L DISI hold up well to the limits of the stock fueling if you don't lean it out too far or get a ton of knock. Really start pushing it and there will need to be some upgrades but I think that's going to be applicable to the LNF as well and more than likely the Chrysler World Engine. The MS3 can put down nice numbers but the dyno charts vary quite a bit and most of that is due to the top-mount intercooler heatsoaking from no air flow like it will see when being driven. It's also pretty peaky and chokes off at mid-5k rpms due to a small exhaust housing.

If you're only wanting to go in a straight line and drag race there probably are better choices than the MS3, but there's no need to continually bash or put it down like it's some piece of crap just because you bought something else. Maybe the MS3 doesn't meet your needs. The fact is the new Cobalt handles slightly better in most of the track testing that's been done so far but the Mazda is still an excellent handling car that has a very good chassis and nice build quality and materials. They're also pretty quick as-is and can be modified and have done fairly well.