raced a 08 speed3 tonight
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Originally Posted by 1BADSS/SC
U go onto a MS3 forum, and tell me how many more negative threads there are vs an SRT forum. Those idiots think their MS3 is the fastest thing on the road the way they bad mouth other cars.
You just accurately described quite a bit of SRT-4 owners and in particular the srtforums. But its not just there. Many automotive forums have opinionated owners who think they're driving a car that's more special than it is. Sometimes they are driving a great car and could brag or trash talk on other cars, but those who have a little humility get more respect from me. You may have had some bad experiences with Mazda owners but you're coming across like one of those people that you describe.
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I've seen one thread from 3 mazda forums that had anything to do with a SRT4, hell the speed forum HAS a srt4 owner on there and we all respect him. Stop talking like you know a car you dont even own. Stock vs stock a ms3 will beat a srt4, hows them apples.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7121
"In our last update, we baselined our stock MS3 on MD Automotive's Dynojet as making 236 wheel-hp and 267 lb.-ft. of torque. Returning to MD, post bolt-ons, we were blown away with the results: 260 whp at 5500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. at 3260 rpm. Mazda makes no power claims with the cat-back exhaust, which means that our power gains came solely from the new intake — talk about bang for the buck!"
There dyno proof from road and track. Im not here to bash the srt4, I respect it a lot. but you sir are being "scumbagish" to every car but your own. I just hate when people try to talk like they know something about a car they bash...you are acting like a honda owner.
Back on topic. I would love to see more lnf balts vs ms3's though. This weekend I'll try to get rallyracer out on the hwy if it isnt raining and see what happens with a stage 2 vs ms3 w/intake.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7121
"In our last update, we baselined our stock MS3 on MD Automotive's Dynojet as making 236 wheel-hp and 267 lb.-ft. of torque. Returning to MD, post bolt-ons, we were blown away with the results: 260 whp at 5500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. at 3260 rpm. Mazda makes no power claims with the cat-back exhaust, which means that our power gains came solely from the new intake — talk about bang for the buck!"
There dyno proof from road and track. Im not here to bash the srt4, I respect it a lot. but you sir are being "scumbagish" to every car but your own. I just hate when people try to talk like they know something about a car they bash...you are acting like a honda owner.
Back on topic. I would love to see more lnf balts vs ms3's though. This weekend I'll try to get rallyracer out on the hwy if it isnt raining and see what happens with a stage 2 vs ms3 w/intake.
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I've seen one thread from 3 mazda forums that had anything to do with a SRT4, hell the speed forum HAS a srt4 owner on there and we all respect him. Stop talking like you know a car you dont even own. Stock vs stock a ms3 will beat a srt4, hows them apples.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7121
"In our last update, we baselined our stock MS3 on MD Automotive's Dynojet as making 236 wheel-hp and 267 lb.-ft. of torque. Returning to MD, post bolt-ons, we were blown away with the results: 260 whp at 5500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. at 3260 rpm. Mazda makes no power claims with the cat-back exhaust, which means that our power gains came solely from the new intake — talk about bang for the buck!"
There dyno proof from road and track. Im not here to bash the srt4, I respect it a lot. but you sir are being "scumbagish" to every car but your own. I just hate when people try to talk like they know something about a car they bash...you are acting like a honda owner.
Back on topic. I would love to see more lnf balts vs ms3's though. This weekend I'll try to get rallyracer out on the hwy if it isnt raining and see what happens with a stage 2 vs ms3 w/intake.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=7121
"In our last update, we baselined our stock MS3 on MD Automotive's Dynojet as making 236 wheel-hp and 267 lb.-ft. of torque. Returning to MD, post bolt-ons, we were blown away with the results: 260 whp at 5500 rpm and 295 lb.-ft. at 3260 rpm. Mazda makes no power claims with the cat-back exhaust, which means that our power gains came solely from the new intake — talk about bang for the buck!"
There dyno proof from road and track. Im not here to bash the srt4, I respect it a lot. but you sir are being "scumbagish" to every car but your own. I just hate when people try to talk like they know something about a car they bash...you are acting like a honda owner.
Back on topic. I would love to see more lnf balts vs ms3's though. This weekend I'll try to get rallyracer out on the hwy if it isnt raining and see what happens with a stage 2 vs ms3 w/intake.
18 whp gain and 21 wtq gain
Heres a dyno from a catback for the MS3:
19 whp gain and 40 wtq gains
This was posted by a MS3 owner on our website. As u can see, the intake doesnt add no where near the acclaimed 30 whp ur referring to. I dont know whos feeding u this garbage, but ur not going to add 30 whp from an intake. Reason for this? Ur turbo is SMALL, and creates more TQ than HP when modded.
Heres a dyno for a CSRT4 with just a DP and muffler delete:
http://www.modernperformance.com/ima...dpdynoruns.pdf
302 whp and 277 wtq
Thats a 36 whp gain, and a 26 wtq. Reason for this? BIG TURBO in the CSRT4 makes more power than ur turbo ever will.
so lets do the math:
HP and TQ after intake + catback for the MS3:
260 ( ish ) whp / 290 ( ish ) wtq
Now, for "not knowing about ur car", this is pretty accurate across the board. Ive seen countless dynos from MS3 owners with these or similar mods, and theyre all similar numbers. Im not sure if ur in lala land, but ur not going to get 30 WHP from an intake, PERIOD. Ur also not going to break 260 whp from just an intake. Unless u have a factory freak, its not happening.
Also, I hate to break it to ya, but the media lies A LOT. Id believe a trusted vendor, and countless dynos from that vendor and customers over any magazine article anyday. U need to do more research before making assumptions.
BTW, there is an entire thread out there on a MS3 forum devoted to knocking the CSRT4. After realtune came out with an 11.7@120 mph, they had nothing to say except: "they would pull ahead eventually", and "at least our cars look better, and were better in the twisties!"
And as for the stock vs stock argument, IM NOT STOCK. Usually, u buy a modder to.....I dont know.....Mod? Im actually making around that 300 whp mark right now, so yea. As soon as stage 1 comes out u can expect me to be making around 340+ whp / 360+ wtq with just a PCM!.... WOW I sure am sad now I didnt get an MS3!
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thats great, you like to drag race you got the better car for straight line performance. but it ends there. the CSRT4 will not handle like a MS3 or SS. so big deal you like straight line performance and other people like a car that handles. considering my MS3 is my daily i could care less how fast i can go in a 1/4 mile. i got the better car in my eyes.
if i wanted to go fast in a straight line i would have kept my 98 240sx and put a LS2 in it. but thats not what i want.
if i wanted to go fast in a straight line i would have kept my 98 240sx and put a LS2 in it. but thats not what i want.
And when I do it's old guys driving them.
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thats great, you like to drag race you got the better car for straight line performance. but it ends there. the CSRT4 will not handle like a MS3 or SS. so big deal you like straight line performance and other people like a car that handles. considering my MS3 is my daily i could care less how fast i can go in a 1/4 mile. i got the better car in my eyes.
if i wanted to go fast in a straight line i would have kept my 98 240sx and put a LS2 in it. but thats not what i want.
if i wanted to go fast in a straight line i would have kept my 98 240sx and put a LS2 in it. but thats not what i want.
1badss/sc
what intake and cat was on that ms3? again I said the cat back did almost zero for power. Again I am not trying to fight with you about a csrt4 vs ms3, I was defending the ms3 against your ignorance with it. Just because a "member" on your forum posted a dyno of some intake and exhaust means nothing. there are many different intakes available all claiming different power. even with intake/exhaust on each ms3 and a csrt4, the ms3 would win
I know you like dragging then yes your lsd-less car is great, it takes power well its just heavy and no real lsd. I like road/track driving so my ms3 is great. Like I said I respect the srt but you are trying to knock a car that you know **** about. get off your high horse that your car is the ultimate car on the planet. There are better cars than yours for drag racing. There are plenty of ms3's hitting 12's with a few bolt on's, much of it is of course the driver.
what intake and cat was on that ms3? again I said the cat back did almost zero for power. Again I am not trying to fight with you about a csrt4 vs ms3, I was defending the ms3 against your ignorance with it. Just because a "member" on your forum posted a dyno of some intake and exhaust means nothing. there are many different intakes available all claiming different power. even with intake/exhaust on each ms3 and a csrt4, the ms3 would win
I know you like dragging then yes your lsd-less car is great, it takes power well its just heavy and no real lsd. I like road/track driving so my ms3 is great. Like I said I respect the srt but you are trying to knock a car that you know **** about. get off your high horse that your car is the ultimate car on the planet. There are better cars than yours for drag racing. There are plenty of ms3's hitting 12's with a few bolt on's, much of it is of course the driver.
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Its a man van, or lunchbox. Those are the decided names for it. Im bashing the MS3 hard because most owners of it think theyre the fastest cars on the road, when theyre def not. And like I said before, theyre one of the WORST tuners on the market.
The MS3 attracts mostly scumbags. You should go on their forums. All they do is bash other cars like the MS3 is God's gift. Give me a break. They cant push over 350 whp reliably, and pop pistons all the time.
Not only that, but Ill take my "mini mini van" with its getrag 6 speed, much stronger internals, better clutch, and 1000000x more overall utility than that station wagon ANYDAY.
Im ALL about the straight line
. U can keep ur twisties. Also, thats about 20-25ish whp with the DP and intake. Ive seen the dyno's, and the MS3 ends up making about 250ish whp with them.
11.7 @ 120 mph is the current record with just bolt ons, and on a RESTRICTED pcm
The MS3 attracts mostly scumbags. You should go on their forums. All they do is bash other cars like the MS3 is God's gift. Give me a break. They cant push over 350 whp reliably, and pop pistons all the time.
Not only that, but Ill take my "mini mini van" with its getrag 6 speed, much stronger internals, better clutch, and 1000000x more overall utility than that station wagon ANYDAY.
Im ALL about the straight line
. U can keep ur twisties. Also, thats about 20-25ish whp with the DP and intake. Ive seen the dyno's, and the MS3 ends up making about 250ish whp with them.11.7 @ 120 mph is the current record with just bolt ons, and on a RESTRICTED pcm
It does attract scumbags. Every one Ive come across has been either a troll, or a complete ass on the road. There are a select few that are good guys. Tell u what about ur MS3.
U go onto a MS3 forum, and tell me how many more negative threads there are vs an SRT forum. Those idiots think their MS3 is the fastest thing on the road the way they bad mouth other cars.
Also, I never said ALL MS3 owners were ********. If u had read what I originally said, u might have understood that before you started running ur mouth. Dont turn into another trolling scumbag MS3 owner.
As for the 250, Im referring to whp. Theres NO WAY IN HELL ur going to gain more than 50 whp with that tiny turbo from just an intake and DP as u claim. Hell, my turbo is much larger and sees gains of 30-40 whp with a DP and drop in. I will give u 50 crank horse, but not 50 whp from those.
Douche? The only thing dousche here is u trolling on a cobalt site when youve probly never even owned one.
U go onto a MS3 forum, and tell me how many more negative threads there are vs an SRT forum. Those idiots think their MS3 is the fastest thing on the road the way they bad mouth other cars.
Also, I never said ALL MS3 owners were ********. If u had read what I originally said, u might have understood that before you started running ur mouth. Dont turn into another trolling scumbag MS3 owner.
As for the 250, Im referring to whp. Theres NO WAY IN HELL ur going to gain more than 50 whp with that tiny turbo from just an intake and DP as u claim. Hell, my turbo is much larger and sees gains of 30-40 whp with a DP and drop in. I will give u 50 crank horse, but not 50 whp from those.
Douche? The only thing dousche here is u trolling on a cobalt site when youve probly never even owned one.
just read the above posts of yours and see who is throwing around BS.
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what intake and cat was on that ms3? again I said the cat back did almost zero for power. Again I am not trying to fight with you about a csrt4 vs ms3, I was defending the ms3 against your ignorance with it. Just because a "member" on your forum posted a dyno of some intake and exhaust means nothing. there are many different intakes available all claiming different power. even with intake/exhaust on each ms3 and a csrt4, the ms3 would win I know you like dragging then yes your lsd-less car is great, it takes power well its just heavy and no real lsd. I like road/track driving so my ms3 is great. Like I said I respect the srt but you are trying to knock a car that you know **** about. get off your high horse that your car is the ultimate car on the planet. There are better cars than yours for drag racing. There are plenty of ms3's hitting 12's with a few bolt on's, much of it is of course the driver.
what intake and cat was on that ms3? again I said the cat back did almost zero for power. Again I am not trying to fight with you about a csrt4 vs ms3, I was defending the ms3 against your ignorance with it. Just because a "member" on your forum posted a dyno of some intake and exhaust means nothing. there are many different intakes available all claiming different power. even with intake/exhaust on each ms3 and a csrt4, the ms3 would win
I know you like dragging then yes your lsd-less car is great, it takes power well its just heavy and no real lsd. I like road/track driving so my ms3 is great. Like I said I respect the srt but you are trying to knock a car that you know **** about. get off your high horse that your car is the ultimate car on the planet. There are better cars than yours for drag racing. There are plenty of ms3's hitting 12's with a few bolt on's, much of it is of course the driver.whats there to know about the MS3? Unless all the people on the ms3 forums are lieing about their times, and their hp gains from different mods, by all means enlighten me.
I do know so far the best time Ive seen from an MS3 is 12.7 on different forums. I also know that the boost on it was turned up to 20 lbs, on that car, it was running slicks, and a couple other mods. The next best time is 12.9, and that MS3 had many more mods than the other one running 12.7.
I do know that the MS3 needs a turbo upgrade to even think about 400 whp. I know the MS3 also has some of the shittiest pistons, and they have been breaking stock. I also know that they just came out with a pressure plate so you can use ur boost all the way up to 6500 rpms, instead of ur power getting lost at 6k ( I think its 6k? ). 350 whp seems to be the max without a turbo upgrade and forged internals aswell.
I mean, I can keep listing facts about ur MS3 all night long if u want.
Like I said to nismo, different strokes for different folks. U like the twisties, by all means enjoy. But dont tell me ur going to be gaining more HP from a smaller turbo than mine on just an intake. That makes no sense.
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oh word?
correct me with half a tank of gas in my car was 3454. kinda sucks srt-4s in the 290whp range at 3100-3200 pounds tie me when im on stock 54 pound rims/tires.
correct me with half a tank of gas in my car was 3454. kinda sucks srt-4s in the 290whp range at 3100-3200 pounds tie me when im on stock 54 pound rims/tires.
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I guess the Road and Track guys didn't know either?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6293
Clearly a performance car, the SRT4 makes the best of what it has. With all the power coming through the front wheels, SRT decided against a limited-slip differential.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=122412
We would prefer a proper mechanical limited-slip differential to the SRT-4's traction-control-based arrangement. With the so-called Brake Lock Differential, a wheel speed sensor detects wheelspin and applies the brake to that side to force the transfer of power to the other side. As a rule, we think that applying the brakes to make forward progress is the wrong approach.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
This virtual limited slip, superior to a real mechanical limited slip, claims Dodge, operates with a slight jerkiness that was offensive to some
Just saying.
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I guess the Road and Track guys didn't know either?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6293
Nor Edmunds
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=122412
Or even Car and Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Just saying.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6293
Nor Edmunds
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=122412
Or even Car and Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test
Just saying.
Its the same form of LSD that beamers use ( Im pretty sure its beamers? ). It breaks the wheel that is spinning faster so they spin at an equal rate. Thats why we have such ginormous brake pads and calipers.
