ss/sc is no problem. A long time ago I beat a stock si ep3 in a 2.2 with i/h/e. . . .

 

those ep3 si's were complete garbage so i dont doubt that. they had 160 at the crank i believe.

 

I love threads like this...btw how did some people just get out of subject and start talking about other civics and stuff? Op is stating the 2 cars already so why compare other cars...? anyways if its a 2.4 vs Si then it shall be a good close race. if its a s/c then no doupt he shall win, unless hes not able to drive...ive also seen s/c people getting beat by mild modded Sis and god its embarrasing...

 

I think a '07+ Si versus an SS/SC might be close... I think the driver could make or break it.

Then again, I don't know what kid of whp the Si's are putting down, and I don't know what they are able to do with simple bolt on's or a tune.

 

hahaha looks like i stirred up an intense conversation lol good looks tho guys appreciate it gotta make sure im prepared ya know lol

 

the key is in 100% form, the SS/SC makes more power, and has it from just above idle;
the Si needs to rev to the moon to hit it's real power...

So if it's 100% legit bone stock vs the SS/SC, then the SS/SC (imho) should easily hand it to him.

 

a stock civic si or rsx type s (basically same car) is nothing to worry about. but modded they can be nasty for a n/a 4 banger. even some stock ss/tc guys fell victim to some rsx's that were still n/a.

idr who tho, gotta wait for any of them to chime in.

 

and its a 05 s/c and the whp is close in both so i agree that it will come down to the driving really

 

I'm considering trading my SS/SC for an Si, not that I wouldn't pull one rather hard, but build quality and 6-speed wise it'd be a better commuter for me.

I've had a modded/tuned RSX Type S hang with me when I was on the crap GM stage 2 tune. Also had a K20 swapped EK coupe stay right at my quarter panel after my tune. I loved that EK. K20 is a great motor, I assume it's the weight of the new Civic that throws it off. However with bolt-ons and a tune don't let one fool you.

 

oh come on!?

iirc the SS/SC stock whp is something like 215 which is above the actual hp rating;

are you suggesting that the Si makes well in excess of it's hp rating too?

a six speed is nice, but most right now are a high friction design, so there's no real mileage savings from having it...

 

SI's are about 198hp stock

 

nah man i jus think that the hp that each car has is close so itll be a good pull thats all lol dont yell at me haha

 

downgrade IMO goodluck. lsjs have way more potential

 

high friction? lol. the six speed in the si is IMO the ****. that things shifts so much smoother than any tranny ive had. its designed to squeeze out every ounce of power and get it to the ground, not for fuel efficiency. i never had good fuel efficiency with mine because i loved the vtec too much. lol. its addicting. anyways, the si doesnt lose much hp thru the drivetrain, unless its not accurately rated at the crank.

anyway, my point, the si transmission >> any cobalt one. i still love my balt, but if i could get the same tranny in there, i would.

 

this. seen dynos of stock SS s/c making from 205-217whp max. nowhere near SIs stock number which they dyno much less then what there crank rated. lsjs are underated from factory...and also seen LNFs making 258whp stock when there rated at 260crank lol

 

name any lsj thats reliably making 500+ whp on stock internals. ryans lsj bent the rods at around 500whp. did u know theres a stock internals civic si making 586 reliably?

im not nutswinging on the hondas, but come on.

 

your crazy. the guy that built the motor in my old Civic his employee has a 740whp Integra with a turbo K20. ive never even heard of a street driven 740whp LSJ.. ive been in a K20 that puts that out.


spinning slicks in 4th gear on the freeway while embarrasing a C6 vette is fun

 

dude i know k20 is a great motor for modding and thats when there good for making power and hurting feelings but were talking about stock vs stock and or lightly modded.

 

Not only that, but a "downgrade is the way you look at it". I'm moving past the boy racer stage of my life, no offense, but I love where my car is performance wise and I have no desire to waste anymore money into it. I'd only being making a huge investment for a marginal gain, and what? Bragging rights?

It may be a downgrade performance wise stock for stock, but performance isn't everything. As I stated, build quality and with an hour commute to work alone, I'm seeking something with a bit less of a headache and an interior beyond such made from recycled milk jugs.

 

you couldn't have misunderstand me any more.



By "high friction" I am speaking to drivtrain loss;
It has absolutely nothing to do with the shift feel ect;
so rotating the main shaft of the six speed fwd transmissions, as far as I've heard, actually uses more power than rotating the main shaft of our five speed.

How does this relate in real the world?

When put behind the same engines, with the same final drive ration, and same top gear OD ratio, the five speed will eek out better mileage.

That is all.

I have only heard good things about the Si;
and imho, the fact that the guy who raced me knew little about his car, had a bolt on supercharger kit and nothing else, and was beating me (a car which makes around 70hp more than him in stock from) only speaks to the potential of the Si.

(but I know he had alot more $$ into his car, so were I in his shoes I'd be pissed if that Si wasn't beating Cobalts;
I wonder if he's going to do anything to it over the winter, or if I will run into him again!?)

 

re-read my post. i wasnt saying the feel was why its not high friction. the transmission is made to put every ounce of power the engine makes to the ground as it can. i know its not as fuel efficient. lol. going 75 on the highway in 6th gear is like almost 4k rpm.

edit: more like around 3.5k. but you get what i mean. when i drive it, you have to rev the engine up to get up to speed as oppose to cars with a lot of low end torque. ever rode on a 600cc bike? same stuff pretty much, u make all your power up top, hence to get up and go u have to rev out the engine, using more fuel.

 

Most people I see struggle to run high 14s in their stock Si's. Stock versus stock, you should win if you don't drive like a tool.

 

if u have a ss/sc and ur both stock and u dont win please sell ur car

 

we'll see im confident in my driving skills i have a hyundai genesis under my belt so far since i go the car late june.

 

Not another one of these threads If you have an SC or TC if will be an easy win. Now if its a SS/NA its a toss. It comes down to the type of race and driver skill then. I personally have beaten 2 stock Si's but the drivers were douche bags who thought the Si was a rocket ship that could beat anything.